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Don't want anything to be heated at all Scott. Just a discussion.

I wasn't saying mean spirited or hateful. Just passionate is what I mean as heated. In a good way. :toast:

 

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I don't think many guys went over 4k yards a year back in those days as a QB in those days. When did they start playing 16 instead of 14 games by the way?

you can't compare stats from that era to this era

take a look at the Receiving Leaders of 1977

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1977/receiving.htm

[h=2]Receiving[/h]ProBowl(*), 1st-team All-Pro(+),<form class="rate_switch" name="form_sortable" id="fs_receiving" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; display: inline;"> <input type="checkbox" name="hide_non_quals" value="1" checked="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> Hide non-qualifiers for rate stats</form> · Glossary · SHARE · Embed · CSV · PRE · LINK · ?

RkTmAgeGGSRecYdsY/RTDLngR/GY/GFmb
1Lydell Mitchell*BAL281414716208.74385.144.35
2Bob ChandlerBUF281406074512.44314.353.20
3Clark GainesNYJ231413554698.51313.933.53
4Nat Moore*+MIA2614145276514.712733.754.60
5Don McCauleyBAL28140514959.72343.635.42
6Ahmad RashadMIN2814145168113.42483.648.62
7James ScottCHI2514145080916.23723.657.81
8Lynn Swann*PIT2514145078915.87463.656.41
9Dave Casper*+OAK2614144858412.26273.441.71
10Harold Jackson*RAM3114144866613.96583.447.60
11Drew Pearson*+DAL261404887018.12673.462.10
12Walter WhiteKAN2613124867414.05483.751.81
13Rickey YoungSDG241414484238.80283.430.24
14Harold CarmichaelPHI2814144666514.57503.347.50
15Preston PearsonDAL3214104653511.64363.338.21
16John StallworthPIT2514144478417.87493.156.01

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I don't think many guys went over 4k yards a year back in those days as a QB in those days. When did they start playing 16 instead of 14 games by the way?

you can't compare stats from that era to this era

take a look at the Receiving Leaders of 1977

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1977/receiving.htm

Receiving

ProBowl(*), 1st-team All-Pro(+),<form class="rate_switch" name="form_sortable" id="fs_receiving" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; display: inline;"> <input name="hide_non_quals" value="1" checked="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;" type="checkbox"> Hide non-qualifiers for rate stats</form> · Glossary · SHARE · Embed · CSV · PRE · LINK · ?

RkTmAgeGGSRecYdsY/RTDLngR/GY/GFmb
1Lydell Mitchell*BAL281414716208.74385.144.35
2Bob ChandlerBUF281406074512.44314.353.20
3Clark GainesNYJ231413554698.51313.933.53
4Nat Moore*+MIA2614145276514.712733.754.60
5Don McCauleyBAL28140514959.72343.635.42
6Ahmad RashadMIN2814145168113.42483.648.62
7James ScottCHI2514145080916.23723.657.81
8Lynn Swann*PIT2514145078915.87463.656.41
9Dave Casper*+OAK2614144858412.26273.441.71
10Harold Jackson*RAM3114144866613.96583.447.60
11Drew Pearson*+DAL261404887018.12673.462.10
12Walter WhiteKAN2613124867414.05483.751.81
13Rickey YoungSDG241414484238.80283.430.24
14Harold CarmichaelPHI2814144666514.57503.347.50
15Preston PearsonDAL3214104653511.64363.338.21
16John StallworthPIT2514144478417.87493.156.01

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4,000 yards? I'm just talking 3,000.
 

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I know alot of people will disagree with this, but IMO Dan Marino is way overrated..Not saying he wasn't good.. But he should never have been labeled as a superstar..This guy had great #'s but in the clutch he threw away alot of critical games...always blamed everyone else too.. He's never been in my top 15 QB's
 

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I guess 3k was alot back then? Nowadays we get a handful of 5k guys.

but it was different back then




1977 NFL Passing


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ProBowl(*), 1st-team All-Pro(+),<form class="rate_switch" name="form_sortable" id="fs_passing" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; display: inline;"> <input type="checkbox" name="hide_non_quals" value="1" checked="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> Hide non-qualifiers for rate stats</form> · Glossary · SHARE · Embed · CSV · PRE · LINK · ?

RkTmAgeGGSQBrecCmpAttCmp%YdsTDTD%IntInt%LngY/AAY/AY/CY/GRateSkYdsNY/AANY/ASk%4QCGWD
1Joe FergusonBUF2714143-11-022145748.42803122.6245.3426.14.312.7200.254.8362735.133.437.311
2Bert JonesBAL26141410-4-022439357.02686174.3112.8786.86.412.0191.980.8262215.885.516.212
3Roger Staubach*DAL35141412-2-021036158.22620185.092.5677.37.112.5187.187.0302196.146.037.723
4Jim Hart*STL3314147-7-018635552.42542133.7205.6697.25.413.7181.664.313896.674.933.522
5Ron JaworskiPHI2614145-9-016634648.02183185.2216.1556.34.613.2155.960.4473424.683.2012.011
6Ken AndersonCIN2814137-6-016632351.42145113.4113.4946.65.812.9153.269.7281975.554.778.012
7Dan PastoriniHOU2814128-4-016931953.01987134.1185.6856.24.511.8141.962.3201985.283.655.900
8Terry BradshawPIT2914149-5-016231451.62523175.4196.1658.06.415.6180.271.4262356.735.217.601
9Bob Griese*+MIA32141410-4-018030758.62252227.2134.2737.36.912.5160.987.8363035.685.2610.5
10Steve GroganNWE2414149-5-016030552.52162175.6216.9687.15.113.5154.465.2141556.294.394.422
11Ken Stabler*OAK32131310-3-016929457.52176206.8206.8447.45.712.9167.475.2161416.564.955.222
12Bob AvelliniCHI2414149-5-015429352.62004113.8186.1756.84.813.0143.161.3232005.713.847.334
13Mike LivingstonKAN3213111-10-014328250.7182393.2155.3496.54.712.7140.259.8302854.933.349.6
14Richard ToddNYJ2412113-8-013326550.21863114.2176.4877.05.014.0155.360.3242035.743.868.313
15Fran TarkentonMIN37996-3-015525860.1173493.5145.4596.75.011.2192.769.2222325.363.767.912

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I guess 3k was alot back then? Nowadays we get a handful of 5k guys.

but it was different back then




1977 NFL Passing


Previous Season / Next Season
Passing

ProBowl(*), 1st-team All-Pro(+),<form class="rate_switch" name="form_sortable" id="fs_passing" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; display: inline;"> <input name="hide_non_quals" value="1" checked="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;" type="checkbox"> Hide non-qualifiers for rate stats</form> · Glossary · SHARE · Embed · CSV · PRE · LINK · ?

RkTmAgeGGSQBrecCmpAttCmp%YdsTDTD%IntInt%LngY/AAY/AY/CY/GRateSkYdsNY/AANY/ASk%4QCGWD
1Joe FergusonBUF2714143-11-022145748.42803122.6245.3426.14.312.7200.254.8362735.133.437.311
2Bert JonesBAL26141410-4-022439357.02686174.3112.8786.86.412.0191.980.8262215.885.516.212
3Roger Staubach*DAL35141412-2-021036158.22620185.092.5677.37.112.5187.187.0302196.146.037.723
4Jim Hart*STL3314147-7-018635552.42542133.7205.6697.25.413.7181.664.313896.674.933.522
5Ron JaworskiPHI2614145-9-016634648.02183185.2216.1556.34.613.2155.960.4473424.683.2012.011
6Ken AndersonCIN2814137-6-016632351.42145113.4113.4946.65.812.9153.269.7281975.554.778.012
7Dan PastoriniHOU2814128-4-016931953.01987134.1185.6856.24.511.8141.962.3201985.283.655.900
8Terry BradshawPIT2914149-5-016231451.62523175.4196.1658.06.415.6180.271.4262356.735.217.601
9Bob Griese*+MIA32141410-4-018030758.62252227.2134.2737.36.912.5160.987.8363035.685.2610.5
10Steve GroganNWE2414149-5-016030552.52162175.6216.9687.15.113.5154.465.2141556.294.394.422
11Ken Stabler*OAK32131310-3-016929457.52176206.8206.8447.45.712.9167.475.2161416.564.955.222
12Bob AvelliniCHI2414149-5-015429352.62004113.8186.1756.84.813.0143.161.3232005.713.847.334
13Mike LivingstonKAN3213111-10-014328250.7182393.2155.3496.54.712.7140.259.8302854.933.349.6
14Richard ToddNYJ2412113-8-013326550.21863114.2176.4877.05.014.0155.360.3242035.743.868.313
15Fran TarkentonMIN37996-3-015525860.1173493.5145.4596.75.011.2192.769.2222325.363.767.912

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You make some good arguments Chi.
 
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I know alot of people will disagree with this, but IMO Dan Marino is way overrated..Not saying he wasn't good.. But he should never have been labeled as a superstar..This guy had great #'s but in the clutch he threw away alot of critical games...always blamed everyone else too.. He's never been in my top 15 QB's

I disagree....sure would like to see the other 14.....Marino is in my top ten....
 

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I know alot of people will disagree with this, but IMO Dan Marino is way overrated..Not saying he wasn't good.. But he should never have been labeled as a superstar..This guy had great #'s but in the clutch he threw away alot of critical games...always blamed everyone else too.. He's never been in my top 15 QB's



Overrated for sure...not to mention a choke artist.

Might be a top 15, but barely.
 

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I disagree....sure would like to see the other 14.....Marino is in my top ten....

without even going into the old timers, I would put all of these QB's ahead of Marino, no particular order

Elway
Montana
Young
Favre
Brady
Manning
Manning
Bradhsaw
Starr
Akimon
Staubach
Kelly
Unitus
Rodgers
Warner

There's your 14 and am sure I could add guys like Fouts, Van Brocklin, couple of others
 

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without even going into the old timers, I would put all of these QB's ahead of Marino, no particular order

Elway
Montana
Young
Favre
Brady
Manning
Manning
Bradhsaw
Starr
Akimon
Staubach
Kelly
Unitus
Rodgers
Warner

There's your 14 and am sure I could add guys like Fouts, Van Brocklin, couple of others

 

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Marino was a 9 time pro bowler

not too many have done that

they pick 3 QB's off of each conference... outside of Kelly, who are you going to pick each year ? 9 Pro Bowls means nothing to me
 

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without even going into the old timers, I would put all of these QB's ahead of Marino, no particular order

Elway
Montana
Young
Favre
Brady
Manning
Manning
Bradhsaw
Starr
Akimon
Staubach
Kelly
Unitus
Rodgers
Warner

There's your 14 and am sure I could add guys like Fouts, Van Brocklin, couple of others

Throw in Brees over Marino too
 

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without even going into the old timers, I would put all of these QB's ahead of Marino, no particular order

Elway
Montana
Young
Favre
Brady
Manning
Manning
Bradhsaw
Starr
Akimon
Staubach
Kelly
Unitus
Rodgers
Warner

There's your 14 and am sure I could add guys like Fouts, Van Brocklin, couple of others

Now take that list and look at their defenses. I´´ bet Marino wins hands down for the worst career defense on his teams. He had about 2 good defenses, both in his first two years and they went to the Superbowl in year two. After that they dove off the cliff. You put any of those QB´s in Miami under the same circumstances and they get 1 shot to win it. Marino missed his one shot.
 

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Now take that list and look at their defenses. I´´ bet Marino wins hands down for the worst career defense on his teams. He had about 2 good defenses, both in his first two years and they went to the Superbowl in year two. After that they dove off the cliff. You put any of those QB´s in Miami under the same circumstances and they get 1 shot to win it. Marino missed his one shot.
there ya go! :103631605
 

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Now take that list and look at their defenses. I´´ bet Marino wins hands down for the worst career defense on his teams. He had about 2 good defenses, both in his first two years and they went to the Superbowl in year two. After that they dove off the cliff. You put any of those QB´s in Miami under the same circumstances and they get 1 shot to win it. Marino missed his one shot.

I will admit I don't remember much about Miami's defensive teams..what I do remember is all of the picks in clutch situations..
 

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