I don't think many guys went over 4k yards a year back in those days as a QB in those days. When did they start playing 16 instead of 14 games by the way?
you can't compare stats from that era to this era
take a look at the Receiving Leaders of 1977
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1977/receiving.htm
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you can't compare stats from that era to this era
take a look at the Receiving Leaders of 1977
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1977/receiving.htm
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| Rk | Tm | Age | G | GS | Rec | Yds | Y/R | TD | Lng | R/G | Y/G | Fmb | |
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| 1 | Lydell Mitchell* | BAL | 28 | 14 | 14 | 71 | 620 | 8.7 | 4 | 38 | 5.1 | 44.3 | 5 |
| 2 | Bob Chandler | BUF | 28 | 14 | 0 | 60 | 745 | 12.4 | 4 | 31 | 4.3 | 53.2 | 0 |
| 3 | Clark Gaines | NYJ | 23 | 14 | 13 | 55 | 469 | 8.5 | 1 | 31 | 3.9 | 33.5 | 3 |
| 4 | Nat Moore*+ | MIA | 26 | 14 | 14 | 52 | 765 | 14.7 | 12 | 73 | 3.7 | 54.6 | 0 |
| 5 | Don McCauley | BAL | 28 | 14 | 0 | 51 | 495 | 9.7 | 2 | 34 | 3.6 | 35.4 | 2 |
| 6 | Ahmad Rashad | MIN | 28 | 14 | 14 | 51 | 681 | 13.4 | 2 | 48 | 3.6 | 48.6 | 2 |
| 7 | James Scott | CHI | 25 | 14 | 14 | 50 | 809 | 16.2 | 3 | 72 | 3.6 | 57.8 | 1 |
| 8 | Lynn Swann* | PIT | 25 | 14 | 14 | 50 | 789 | 15.8 | 7 | 46 | 3.6 | 56.4 | 1 |
| 9 | Dave Casper*+ | OAK | 26 | 14 | 14 | 48 | 584 | 12.2 | 6 | 27 | 3.4 | 41.7 | 1 |
| 10 | Harold Jackson* | RAM | 31 | 14 | 14 | 48 | 666 | 13.9 | 6 | 58 | 3.4 | 47.6 | 0 |
| 11 | Drew Pearson*+ | DAL | 26 | 14 | 0 | 48 | 870 | 18.1 | 2 | 67 | 3.4 | 62.1 | 0 |
| 12 | Walter White | KAN | 26 | 13 | 12 | 48 | 674 | 14.0 | 5 | 48 | 3.7 | 51.8 | 1 |
| 13 | Rickey Young | SDG | 24 | 14 | 14 | 48 | 423 | 8.8 | 0 | 28 | 3.4 | 30.2 | 4 |
| 14 | Harold Carmichael | PHI | 28 | 14 | 14 | 46 | 665 | 14.5 | 7 | 50 | 3.3 | 47.5 | 0 |
| 15 | Preston Pearson | DAL | 32 | 14 | 10 | 46 | 535 | 11.6 | 4 | 36 | 3.3 | 38.2 | 1 |
| 16 | John Stallworth | PIT | 25 | 14 | 14 | 44 | 784 | 17.8 | 7 | 49 | 3.1 | 56.0 | 1 |
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I know alot of people will disagree with this, but IMO Dan Marino is way overrated..Not saying he wasn't good.. But he should never have been labeled as a superstar..This guy had great #'s but in the clutch he threw away alot of critical games...always blamed everyone else too.. He's never been in my top 15 QB's
I guess 3k was alot back then? Nowadays we get a handful of 5k guys.
but it was different back then
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but it was different back then
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| Rk | Tm | Age | G | GS | QBrec | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Yds | TD | TD% | Int | Int% | Lng | Y/A | AY/A | Y/C | Y/G | Rate | Sk | Yds | NY/A | ANY/A | Sk% | 4QC | GWD | |
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| 1 | Joe Ferguson | BUF | 27 | 14 | 14 | 3-11-0 | 221 | 457 | 48.4 | 2803 | 12 | 2.6 | 24 | 5.3 | 42 | 6.1 | 4.3 | 12.7 | 200.2 | 54.8 | 36 | 273 | 5.13 | 3.43 | 7.3 | 1 | 1 |
| 2 | Bert Jones | BAL | 26 | 14 | 14 | 10-4-0 | 224 | 393 | 57.0 | 2686 | 17 | 4.3 | 11 | 2.8 | 78 | 6.8 | 6.4 | 12.0 | 191.9 | 80.8 | 26 | 221 | 5.88 | 5.51 | 6.2 | 1 | 2 |
| 3 | Roger Staubach* | DAL | 35 | 14 | 14 | 12-2-0 | 210 | 361 | 58.2 | 2620 | 18 | 5.0 | 9 | 2.5 | 67 | 7.3 | 7.1 | 12.5 | 187.1 | 87.0 | 30 | 219 | 6.14 | 6.03 | 7.7 | 2 | 3 |
| 4 | Jim Hart* | STL | 33 | 14 | 14 | 7-7-0 | 186 | 355 | 52.4 | 2542 | 13 | 3.7 | 20 | 5.6 | 69 | 7.2 | 5.4 | 13.7 | 181.6 | 64.3 | 13 | 89 | 6.67 | 4.93 | 3.5 | 2 | 2 |
| 5 | Ron Jaworski | PHI | 26 | 14 | 14 | 5-9-0 | 166 | 346 | 48.0 | 2183 | 18 | 5.2 | 21 | 6.1 | 55 | 6.3 | 4.6 | 13.2 | 155.9 | 60.4 | 47 | 342 | 4.68 | 3.20 | 12.0 | 1 | 1 |
| 6 | Ken Anderson | CIN | 28 | 14 | 13 | 7-6-0 | 166 | 323 | 51.4 | 2145 | 11 | 3.4 | 11 | 3.4 | 94 | 6.6 | 5.8 | 12.9 | 153.2 | 69.7 | 28 | 197 | 5.55 | 4.77 | 8.0 | 1 | 2 |
| 7 | Dan Pastorini | HOU | 28 | 14 | 12 | 8-4-0 | 169 | 319 | 53.0 | 1987 | 13 | 4.1 | 18 | 5.6 | 85 | 6.2 | 4.5 | 11.8 | 141.9 | 62.3 | 20 | 198 | 5.28 | 3.65 | 5.9 | 0 | 0 |
| 8 | Terry Bradshaw | PIT | 29 | 14 | 14 | 9-5-0 | 162 | 314 | 51.6 | 2523 | 17 | 5.4 | 19 | 6.1 | 65 | 8.0 | 6.4 | 15.6 | 180.2 | 71.4 | 26 | 235 | 6.73 | 5.21 | 7.6 | 0 | 1 |
| 9 | Bob Griese*+ | MIA | 32 | 14 | 14 | 10-4-0 | 180 | 307 | 58.6 | 2252 | 22 | 7.2 | 13 | 4.2 | 73 | 7.3 | 6.9 | 12.5 | 160.9 | 87.8 | 36 | 303 | 5.68 | 5.26 | 10.5 | ||
| 10 | Steve Grogan | NWE | 24 | 14 | 14 | 9-5-0 | 160 | 305 | 52.5 | 2162 | 17 | 5.6 | 21 | 6.9 | 68 | 7.1 | 5.1 | 13.5 | 154.4 | 65.2 | 14 | 155 | 6.29 | 4.39 | 4.4 | 2 | 2 |
| 11 | Ken Stabler* | OAK | 32 | 13 | 13 | 10-3-0 | 169 | 294 | 57.5 | 2176 | 20 | 6.8 | 20 | 6.8 | 44 | 7.4 | 5.7 | 12.9 | 167.4 | 75.2 | 16 | 141 | 6.56 | 4.95 | 5.2 | 2 | 2 |
| 12 | Bob Avellini | CHI | 24 | 14 | 14 | 9-5-0 | 154 | 293 | 52.6 | 2004 | 11 | 3.8 | 18 | 6.1 | 75 | 6.8 | 4.8 | 13.0 | 143.1 | 61.3 | 23 | 200 | 5.71 | 3.84 | 7.3 | 3 | 4 |
| 13 | Mike Livingston | KAN | 32 | 13 | 11 | 1-10-0 | 143 | 282 | 50.7 | 1823 | 9 | 3.2 | 15 | 5.3 | 49 | 6.5 | 4.7 | 12.7 | 140.2 | 59.8 | 30 | 285 | 4.93 | 3.34 | 9.6 | ||
| 14 | Richard Todd | NYJ | 24 | 12 | 11 | 3-8-0 | 133 | 265 | 50.2 | 1863 | 11 | 4.2 | 17 | 6.4 | 87 | 7.0 | 5.0 | 14.0 | 155.3 | 60.3 | 24 | 203 | 5.74 | 3.86 | 8.3 | 1 | 3 |
| 15 | Fran Tarkenton | MIN | 37 | 9 | 9 | 6-3-0 | 155 | 258 | 60.1 | 1734 | 9 | 3.5 | 14 | 5.4 | 59 | 6.7 | 5.0 | 11.2 | 192.7 | 69.2 | 22 | 232 | 5.36 | 3.76 | 7.9 | 1 | 2 |
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without even going into the old timers, I would put all of these QB's ahead of Marino, no particular order
Elway
Montana
Young
Favre
Brady
Manning
Manning
Bradhsaw
Starr
Akimon
Staubach
Kelly
Unitus
Rodgers
Warner
There's your 14 and am sure I could add guys like Fouts, Van Brocklin, couple of others
Now take that list and look at their defenses. I´´ bet Marino wins hands down for the worst career defense on his teams. He had about 2 good defenses, both in his first two years and they went to the Superbowl in year two. After that they dove off the cliff. You put any of those QB´s in Miami under the same circumstances and they get 1 shot to win it. Marino missed his one shot.
