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I knew that comment meant nothing.

Those beltway pundits are nuts, if you still think Trump is gonna crash and burn for not being PC you're crazy. If he was gonna crash and burn because of his mouth it was gonna be the McCain comments. Once he survived that I knew he was atleast in a different lane than the others in terms of gaffes.
 

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And what about the millions of "RINOs" that voted for Romney that wouldn't go near Cruz or Donnie? You have enough true conservatives to both replace the RINOs you lose and make up the 3+ million votes and more importantly 64 in the electoral college? Funny stuff, Arpaio.

Get informed to avoid seemingly being silly & incorrect:
PPP last polled Iowa in April and at that time Trump had a 40/40 favorability rating with GOP voters.
On this poll his favorability is 46/40, not substantially better than it four months ago. That suggests
Trump's favorability could be back on the way down after peaking sometime in the last few weeks.
But at any rate Trump does have the advantage with pretty much every segment of the GOP electorate-
he's up wi, th Evangelicals, men, women, voters in every age group, moderates, voters who are most
concerned with having the candidate who is most conservative on the issues, and voters who are
most concerned about having a candidate who can win the general election.

So the millions of 'RHINO'S' who wouldn't go near Trump, have to fall in the moderate group who with
every other group support Trump above all others. Trump leads every faction of the party except
certain polls have him in 3rd place among Hispanics Rubio 19, Bush 13 Trump 12. Trumps support
is a mile wide but more importantly one mile deep!

The debate did little to change Republican voters' opinions of Trump, the poll found. One-third said they
liked him more after the debate, one-third said they liked him less, and the remaining third said their
opinions had not changed.
 
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Get informed to avoid seemingly being silly & incorrect:
PPP last polled Iowa in April and at that time Trump had a 40/40 favorability rating with GOP voters.
On this poll his favorability is 46/40, not substantially better than it four months ago. That suggests
Trump's favorability could be back on the way down after peaking sometime in the last few weeks.
But at any rate Trump does have the advantage with pretty much every segment of the GOP electorate-
he's up wi, th Evangelicals, men, women, voters in every age group, moderates, voters who are most
concerned with having the candidate who is most conservative on the issues, and voters who are
most concerned about having a candidate who can win the general election.

So the millions of 'RHINO'S' who wouldn't go near Trump, have to fall in the moderate group who with
every other group support Trump above all others. Trump leads every faction of the party except
certain polls have him in 3rd place among Hispanics Rubio 19, Bush 13 Trump 12. Trumps support
is a mile wide but more importantly one mile deep!

The debate did little to change Republican voters' opinions of Trump, the poll found. One-third said they
liked him more after the debate, one-third said they liked him less, and the remaining third said their
opinions had not changed.

Silly and incorrect? Why, because people that analyze numbers for a living agree with me? He's not going to be the Republican nominee. I know you were Trump's sidekick 4 decades ago, but at some point you need to put your personal feelings aside and confront the reality that he's not going to be the Republican nominee, let alone President.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/donald-trump-is-winning-the-polls-and-losing-the-nomination-2/


I know you were Trump's sidekick 4 decades ago, but at some point you need to put your personal feelings aside and confront the reality that he's not going to be the Republican nominee, let alone President.
 

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I don't think charisma is what drives a country, BUT I think it wins elections, and Rubio has none. Simple as that!

If the election ends up being Clinton vs Fiorina, I might as well move to Mexico.

Brit if it's between Clinton & Fiorina that may be the best scenario of all. Trump mentioned he would go 3rd party
if he didn't win and if he couldn't respect the Republican nominee. Does anyone think Trump respects Fiorino, not
many, not me for sure.

Imagine 2 women & Trump for the nomination. I think it would be a Trump landslide. If it was Bush vs. Clinton
Trump would com in 2nd. Chris Como had Trump on his TV show this morning and asked Trump how can
he say that he'd be better for women than Mrs. Clinton. I couldn't help laughing; google it and listen to how
Trump handled that in typical Trump fashion.
 

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Silly and incorrect? Why, because people that analyze numbers for a living agree with me? He's not going to be the Republican nominee. I know you were Trump's sidekick 4 decades ago, but at some point you need to put your personal feelings aside and confront the reality that he's not going to be the Republican nominee, let alone President.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/donald-trump-is-winning-the-polls-and-losing-the-nomination-2/


I know you were Trump's sidekick 4 decades ago, but at some point you need to put your personal feelings aside and confront the reality that he's not going to be the Republican nominee, let alone President.


Keep reading these observations of the Washington Establishment Pundits remain in the dark.
By the way since you mentioned it, when I 1st became aquainted to Trump it was obvious
that his favorite word to describe others was 'loser' as it is now! This guy from my NG days
followed me around from Gleason's Tavern on York to Maxwell's & we sat down around Trump
& me & Trump began chatting up some girls on the left side of the bar Frankie just stood their
alone. Eventuallythe same then as he is now. Trump & I started conversing & he quipped whose
that guy who comes in here with you all the time, 'What a loser' he's the same then as he is now.

I was never anyones sidekick, Trump was a pretty good friend, he even got me out of a possible
confrontation with a cop along the way.
 

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Silly and incorrect? Why, because people that analyze numbers for a living agree with me? He's not going to be the Republican nominee. I know you were Trump's sidekick 4 decades ago, but at some point you need to put your personal feelings aside and confront the reality that he's not going to be the Republican nominee, let alone President.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/donald-trump-is-winning-the-polls-and-losing-the-nomination-2/


I know you were Trump's sidekick 4 decades ago, but at some point you need to put your personal feelings aside and confront the reality that he's not going to be the Republican nominee, let alone President.

I thought the same thing when he announced. Then I thought for sure he was dead when he humped McCain. Then he humped Graham and everyone said, he can’t do that.

Then the people in the know said he’s done after he bashed Kelly and guess what, he’s still leading.

All you need to do is look back at 08 and then again at 12.

The voters were mesmerized by Obama and then he did a shitty job and they elected him again. If that doesn’t defy all logic then I don’t know what does.

The more Trump speaks, the more people are going to listen.

Can he meet his waterloo? Of course he can. Will he? That remains to be seen. He’s going to say the same things all the other candidates are going to say except he’s going to say them louder and they‘ll be unfiltered.

It’s worked so far and I always say, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
 
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I thought the same thing when he announced. Then I thought for sure he was dead when he humped McCain. Then he humped Graham and everyone said, he can’t do that.

Then the people in the know said he’s done after he bashed Kelly and guess what, he’s still leading.

All you need to do is look back at 08 and then again at 12.

The voters were mesmerized by Obama and then he did a shitty job and they elected him again. If that doesn’t defy all logic then I don’t know what does.

The more Trump speaks, the more people are going to listen.

Can he meet his waterloo? Of course he can. Will he? That remains to be seen. He’s going to say the same things all the other candidates are going to say except he’s going to say them louder and they‘ll be unfiltered.

It’s worked so far and I always say, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Go take a look at the numbers Ace posted in the Rubio thread. The net favorability numbers will eventually sink Donnie. As candidates start to drop out, the numbers of the other remaining candidates will rise will Don's will be stuck in neutral. Take a look at his net favorability among independents from the CBS poll just before the debate. Literally horrific at -31. That was before the debate debacle.
 
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Keep reading these observations of the Washington Establishment Pundits remain in the dark.
By the way since you mentioned it, when I 1st became aquainted to Trump it was obvious
that his favorite word to describe others was 'loser' as it is now! This guy from my NG days
followed me around from Gleason's Tavern on York to Maxwell's & we sat down around Trump
& me & Trump began chatting up some girls on the left side of the bar Frankie just stood their
alone. Eventuallythe same then as he is now. Trump & I started conversing & he quipped whose
that guy who comes in here with you all the time, 'What a loser' he's the same then as he is now.

I was never anyones sidekick, Trump was a pretty good friend, he even got me out of a possible
confrontation with a cop along the way.

Numbers don't lie, people do. Especially people who are rooting for their buddies to become president. His numbers are what they are. You can dismiss Silver's analysis but you can't dismiss that he's pissing off far too many people to ever be elected.
 

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Go take a look at the numbers Ace posted in the Rubio thread. The net favorability numbers will eventually sink Donnie. As candidates start to drop out, the numbers of the other remaining candidates will rise will Don's will be stuck in neutral. Take a look at his net favorability among independents from the CBS poll just before the debate. Literally horrific at -31. That was before the debate debacle.

You want to take about numbers? Agree or not this guy makes a pretty strong case.

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The Republican establishment is playing a dangerous game going after Donald Trump. This includes Fox News, which is quite centrist, but is said to be sympathetic to the Republican establishment. This establishment wants a party nominee who will go along to get along, reach across the aisle, build consensus, and keep the Chamber of Commerce happy. This is a proven model for electoral success. Just ask former Presidents Dole, McCain, and Romney.

Donald Trump is a disruptive force within the Republican party, much like Uber is in the livery business or Airbnb is in the lodging industry. Love or hate Trump, he is a novel candidate who says what he means, means what he says, and isn’t afraid to hit back when attacked. Rather than apologizing, Trump doubles down.

The game angerous not because the media talking heads are upset with Trump, but that voters are mad at the media and political establishment. More specifically, the Republican base is fed up with the current Republican party. Let’s look at the numbers.

Last weeks debate drew 24 million viewers. Compare that to the first GOP primary debate four years ago with 3.2 million viewers, and the most watched primary debate in 2012 reaching 7.6 million. Even the second tier “undercard” debate Thursday evening drew 6.1 million viewers. Sure more people tuned in to the second debate because it was later in the evening, whereas the first debate occurred mid afternoon in much of the country. But still, the second debate drew 18 million more viewers.

I can’t prove this, but I believe it’s safe to say at least half of those additional viewers of the “main event” debate tuned in for one reason. The Donald. If Trump was hosting his reality show for another season and not running for president, how exciting would a debate be between Walker, Bush, Paul, and the others? Maybe 10-12 million viewers? If that.

What about the other half, the other 12 million viewers?
If most tuned in because of Trump, assume most are Trump supporters. Voters sick and tired of the status quo, Republican promises to do and be different if given control of the House and Senate. Voters yearning for a leader not cowed by political correctness, willing to say what needs to be said, regardless of who it might offend.

Herein lies the problem. The perception that the “Washington cartel,” as Ted Cruz describes it, will be picking our candidates, not we the people. The conventional wisdom is that the presidential election will be between Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. And the Washington cartel would welcome that. “If it turns out to be Jeb versus Hillary we would love that and either outcome would be fine,” according to one Wall St lawyer. Why not? They both want to grow government, keep our borders open, nationalize education through Common Core, tweak but keep Obamacare in place. They could even run on the same ticket.

Along comes Donald Trump, disrupting the visions of Wall Street and the Chamber of Commerce, tapping into a nerve of discontent among the people. A candidate voters in flyover country are excited about, hence the debate viewership numbers. And the Washington cartel has its sharp knives out eager to deliver the death blow to his candidacy.

The attacks against Trump are attacks against an enthused electorate, eager for a different approach, a different type of leader. A rebellion of sorts. Squash the rebellion and the spirits of the Republican electorate, and they tune out. Better to let the process play out. The odds are against Trump winning the nomination, but his voice and ideas are important to the process, and through him, the voices of many unhappy Republican voters. Who when dissed by the establishment will begin ignoring the calls for money and support, and ultimately for turnout in November 2016.

The Republican establishment has itself to blame for Donald Trump. Nature abhors a vacuum. Trump is filling it. Squash Trump and along with it the enthusiasm of an electorate the Republicans desperately need. A dangerous game indeed.
 

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If Trump drops out, those 12+ million voters go back to sleep waiting for another candidate who communicates and unapologetically stands up for their values.

That's how we ended up with President Dole, President McCain and President Romney.
 

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I think Trump pulls out before it's all said and done. Trump is as liberal as the day is long, people just haven't taken the time to really look at him. I wouldn't be surprised if he's doing all this strictly for publicity, that and his massive ego.
 

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If Trump drops out, those 12+ million voters go back to sleep waiting for another candidate who communicates and unapologetically stands up for their values.

That's how we ended up with President Dole, President McCain and President Romney.

Well that would leave Cruz. Will he generate as much enthusiasm as Trump? Cruz reminds me of Gingrich, he has a way of putting you down without offending anyone.
 

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Trump just supported Planned Parenthood today. No funding for abortions, just other activities.

The $ is fungible, what is the difference?
 

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Looks as if Perry and Rand Paul are going to be the ones to drop out sooner rather than later.

Santorum will stay through Iowa even though he polls at 1%.

I'm sure Gilmore and the others I can't even think of will be gone by the end of the year.
 

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Trump just supported Planned Parenthood today. No funding for abortions, just other activities.

The $ is fungible, what is the difference?

Yeah, that flip flop isn't going to help him.

You have to love how the left screeches about "subsidies to big oil" but half a billion a year is this huge bright line where none of the money goes to abortion.
 

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I learned not to doubt how mistake proof Trump was after the McCain situation so I think he'll fade this OK.

If he doesn't though, of all things for him to die on the sword for? If you gave me 1000 questions I wouldn't have guessed supporting funding for planned parenthood.

I think he might just be seeing what he can get away with.
 

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I learned not to doubt how mistake proof Trump was after the McCain situation so I think he'll fade this OK.

If he doesn't though, of all things for him to die on the sword for? If you gave me 1000 questions I wouldn't have guessed supporting funding for planned parenthood.

I think he might just be seeing what he can get away with.

Hes trying to big mouth himself out of the race. He does not wanna be president
 

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Trump just supported Planned Parenthood today. No funding for abortions, just other activities.

The $ is fungible, what is the difference?
How do you know what they’re using the money for.

Sounds like the Iran nuke deal to me.
 

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