Carib is stealing from me.

dottom · Oct 27, 2003

fkm,

To end all confusion, why not just post an mp3 of the tape itself? On majorwager.com Carib claims that no such refund offer was ever made. There are several different free software available to turn any kind of recording into an mp3. If it's an answering machine or voicemail, you can just use your modem to call your machine and make a recording of it.

That will either prove or refute your case and then no more speculation and conjecture over "he said, she said" stuff.

shenson007 · Oct 27, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by fkm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dottom:
fkm,

Just curious- do you have any documented communication to or from Carib from when you received the voicemail saying your bet would be cancelled (series was tied 2-2) and when the series was over?

If so, and you or Carib repeated your position that the bet should be cancelled, then you definitely cannot be accused of "sitting on the fence". I can see where others are coming from.... you get confirmation that your bet should be cancelled but when you login you see that your bet is still an open bet... most people would consitently call/email the book to make sure the bet is never graded, whereas someone who is "sitting on the fence" might just wait out the bet to see if it happens to win they'll just say nothing.

Just trying to view all sides.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> it's on tape at Carib from both Thursday and Saturday, with me very clearly saying I wanted them cancelled and Carib supervisors very clearly saying they would be cancelled<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

dottom
see above post ... dont think he means HE has a tape... just that Carib SHOULD have a tape...

NOTE: ON TAPE AT CARIB

above.

dottom · Oct 27, 2003

shenson,

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I had thought all along fkm had a tape himself, which would end all speculation.

Well, relying on the sportbook's tape is an entirely different animal....

Whenever I've had a dispute with a book on any issue, I always make my own recording. I don't even rely on email confirmation b/c unless they use some kind of PGP signing (highly unlikely), it's just a bunch of text and they can always claim you made it up.

If fkm is disputing via credit card anyways then there shouldn't be any problem. I've yet to hear of a case where VISA/MC has sided with an offshore book (regardless of right/wrong)... has anyone else?

fkm · Oct 27, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by michael777:
you are a crook<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> you're projecting

"that which we despise in ourselves, we criticize in others"

fkm · Oct 27, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dottom:
On majorwager.com Carib claims that no such refund offer was ever made. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> MW is shilling in the extreme

that claim is so easily refutable, but Carib is the party with the tapes

not only that, but MW's other claims are comical to say the least

but I'm not saying he's lying - rather, he's just passing on what he's hearing from Carib

my criticism of MW is only that he's obviously already decided whose side he's on, which is why he doesn't dare listen to tapes

my bad for even contacting him

Riggs · Oct 27, 2003

I read so often yet chime in so litte.

Usually only when it makes me laugh. This guy says there are 200 people with the same name as him...and one of them not only have the same name..but have the exact same email address..have made large deposits and large chargebacks at least two books in that name and address ...and one of the books happens to be the one that he now has a dispute with....

.....this is a gambling forum...can one of you sharp guys find me the odds of that happening?

Guest · Oct 27, 2003

+999999

PatrickMcIrish · Oct 27, 2003

FKM - did you ever supply the information they asked for?

fkm · Oct 27, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Patrick McIrish:
FKM - did you ever supply the information they asked for?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> yes, immediately upon receiving their memo

dafunk · Oct 27, 2003

1. Why would Carib accept a wager and then demand further ID when the wager looked like a winner?

If Carib had any problem what-so-ever with this guys account, they should have brought it up BEFORE he made any wagers.

Carib booked the bet and then Carib cancelled the bet. Only after the bet lost did Carib decide that there was no longer any problem with this guys account and he had action.

Total bullshit.

PatrickMcIrish · Oct 27, 2003

Interesting case, the more I see the more questions I have. Okay I thought you said you never supplied the information they wanted, that's why the bet was going to be cancelled. Is that true or not? Just trying to get to the bottom of this. Thanks.

spidermonkey · Oct 27, 2003

post your screenshots that show they said they would refund you.

PatrickMcIrish · Oct 27, 2003

Spider - he does have some screen shots that seem to support some of what he is saying. Too early to tell on what the full story is yet but surely some questions to be answered. General and I will be in contact with CARIB trying to get the whole picture here....

fkm · Oct 27, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Patrick McIrish:
Interesting case, the more I see the more questions I have. Okay I thought you said you never supplied the information they wanted, that's why the bet was going to be cancelled. Is that true or not? Just trying to get to the bottom of this. Thanks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> the info I didn't supply was the 4 digits of the SS#

everything else I supplied to them immediately and completely

player250 · Oct 27, 2003

I have credit cards from 4 different banks. Each and every one of those banks require the last 4 digits of my social security to access my accounts over the phone. Although it is highly unlikely that this book would be able to do anything criminal with the last 4 of your Soc, for that reason alone I wouldn't send them the information. What purpose would that info serve them??

HateTheRiverCard · Oct 27, 2003

fkm, are you refuting what Scott K of Bowmans said, which is the name and email on file with Carib matches the name and email of a player that charged back and scammed Bowmans for $5K.

I don't want to hear about tapes that Carib has, I want to know if you are denying what Bowmans is saying.

HTRC

Jazz · Oct 27, 2003

While on the topic of Carib, looky what they're trying to hook a few fish with, thoise anyway who MIGHT take the Lakers on the first bet at +100 ... lol

Lakers vs The Field (To Win The 2004 NBA Championship) 11/01 at 12:00 pm

Lakers even
The Field -150

Odds To Win The 2004 NBA Championship (All Bets Action)(Updated 10/27/2003) 11/01 at 12:00 pm

Lakers +130

HateTheRiverCard · Oct 27, 2003

Waiting for a response fkm.

HTRC

areeff · Oct 27, 2003

If he chargebacked.. That's the move of a thief. But if carib agreed to cancel the wager then they are STILL in the wrong. If a guy robs a bank then walks into another competing bank and asks for a loan and they screw him over it does not make the competing bank automatically in the right.

HateTheRiverCard · Oct 27, 2003

I can agree with part of that Areef but absent of the facts and with the information that Bowmans provided I would lean to the conclusion that he is using it as an excuse to Charge back at Carib. What needs to done is a Mod needs to speak to Carib and hear the tape and speak to Bowmans and compare notes.

What you need to remember is he states that there is a tape yet there may not be one and when Carib states that, he will probably say that they lost it purposely thereby giving him a reason to scam. The fact that he has already scammed Bowmans should remove any doubt if Carib says there was no conversation or tape. The fact that this thread is still in the Offshore makes it imperative that a mod get involved (which I believe they have) and ask to listen to the tape (should it exist.)

HTRC