Wsex .... Unreal Shit

[SmokeyWins]

Thanks Everygambler And Spreadbeater....

As Hard As It Is To Beat This Guys When You Do They Should Pay You.........

It's Not Like I'm Bitching About Having To Pay A Bet After What The World Saw As A Bad Call In A Football Game....

I Won... Others Paid Thier Players..
Wsex.com Stated On The Page That I Bet That They Would Also..

 

[spreadbeater]

I don't bet horses but if you see where the book pays actual track odds, why do you feel like you have to dig further to make sure you will not get SCREWED? WSEX has gone out of their way to deny someone a big payout if they beat the odds and win. As for people not liking SMOKEY, get over it. He is RIGHT on this matter.I have known Smokey for 5 years and consider him a friend. In the offshore world books can stiff players all they want but they are only as good as their word. WSEX is being penny wise and pound foolish. A POX on their house! LT:finger: :nohead:

Coach,

You could not have said it better.

Hope all is well buddy....see ya soon!

SB

 

[SportSavant]

I just got off the phone with WSEX.... Initially I thought maybe smokey had a point, now while I empathize with his position, however, this is what I discovered:

1) the reason they have the sentence on the top of the page is not for false advertising, but rather to inform the customer. If the odds have changed on a horse & a horse goes from say 10-1 to 5-1, they are trying to advise their customers that their bet goes off at the TRACK odds, not the MORNING odds. That is the reason for the sentence. It is not to try to false advertise. It is actually to try to inform.

2) There is a PARA-MUTUAL Pool, NO BOOKIE who is not part of this pool could afford to give out TRUE TRACK ODDS as they could be sunk overnite with a 10$ bet. Certain Bookies, who are part of the POOL, may have this luxury, but most do not. IF they paid TRUE TRACK odds without being part of the pool they would be sunk overnite.

3) WSEX has never been challenged on this sentence in the past 10 years.

4) Anybody who regularily plays horses knows that this is how 95% of online sportsbooks run their racebooks, again, read # 2, if they are not part of the pool they could sink themselves overnite. There might be a few that can absorb the risk or are part of the pool but 95% of them cannot & do not.

5) Anybody who does not bet horses regularily should be reading the rules before placing a wager. There was a link on the very same page on the bottom left showing the rules.

 

[SmokeyWins]

THANKS LT

 

[SportSavant]

I don't bet horses but if you see where the book pays actual track odds, why do you feel like you have to dig further to make sure you will not get SCREWED? WSEX has gone out of their way to deny someone a big payout if they beat the odds and win. As for people not liking SMOKEY, get over it. He is RIGHT on this matter.I have known Smokey for 5 years and consider him a friend. In the offshore world books can stiff players all they want but they are only as good as their word. WSEX is being penny wise and pound foolish. A POX on their house! LT:finger: :nohead:

coach, I honestly thought this before getting on the phone with WSEX steve,

see my post above,

a bookie could be sunk on a 10$ wager, the notion of paying full track odds & not being part of the pool is ridiculous...

any horse player should know that, & if they decided to bet without knowing that, then it is they who are at fault.....

 

[SmokeyWins]

SPORTS ..... HOW CAN THEY NEVER BE QUESTIONED ABOUT THAT SENTENCE ON THE SITE...

YOU.....

YES YOU READ IT THE SAME WAY I DID..... SOMEBODY HAS QUESTIONED IT AND GOT NOTHING.....

NOW WE HAVE A CHANCE TO STOP THIS KIND OF CRAP AND YOU SAY I SHOULD READ ALL THE RULES AND REGS.....

IT SAYS THAY THEY PAY ACTUAL TRACK PAYOUTS. PERIOD................
NOT BUTS.... NO SEE BOTTOM..... NO READ FINE PRINT BEFORE WE HOSE YOU.... NO GET THE KY BECAUSE IF YOU WIN BIG WE AIN'T PAYING....

ONLY THIS....

PAYOUTS BASED ON 'ACTUAL' TRACK PAYOUTS..

DO I NEED TO GO TO WEBSTER'S FOT THE WORD ACTUAL....​

YES. I DO​

 

[SportSavant]

I did read it the same way you did, Yes I did, I admit that...

BUT,

if I jump ahead & bet, not knowing the rules, that could be my mistake also, even if I interpreted it wrong....

remember, anyone who knows about horses would know that a bookie could sink themselves with a 10$ bet if they allowed this, it would be ridiculous because they are not part of the horse network.

now maybe you are not a big horse guy, so maybe you coudnt have known they were not part of the network, in that case though you should have read the rules....

their sentence isnt even trying to speak about their general rules, it is speaking about something else,

it is very unfortunate, but WSEX has not erred here.

 

[SmokeyWins]

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[EveryGamblersDream]

First off I say they are full of shit as so many people gamble at books with no idea of forums so if they were confused by that statement, who could they complain too. The book would always claim no one has ever called them on it.

Secondly I have a huge problem with the excuse of a link being posted towards the bottom left. Lets think here logically:

You go to your book to play the derby. When you arrive on the site, you login & see a link pointing to the actual race you want to play. So you click this link & see the statement that was posted with no mention or link to a sidenote about these payouts.

Explain to me how this isn't bullshit again?

 

[wsexsteve]

Smokey,

You are looking up the wrong word.
Try BASED- Derived from

 

[CoachLT]

I just got off the phone with WSEX.... Initially I thought maybe smokey had a point, now while I empathize with his position, however, this is what I discovered:

1) the reason they have the sentence on the top of the page is not for false advertising, but rather to inform the customer. If the odds have changed on a horse & a horse goes from say 10-1 to 5-1, they are trying to advise their customers that their bet goes off at the TRACK odds, not the MORNING odds. That is the reason for the sentence. It is not to try to false advertise. It is actually to try to inform.

2) There is a PARA-MUTUAL Pool, NO BOOKIE who is not part of this pool could afford to give out TRUE TRACK ODDS as they could be sunk overnite with a 10$ bet. Certain Bookies, who are part of the POOL, may have this luxury, but most do not. IF they paid TRUE TRACK odds without being part of the pool they would be sunk overnite.

3) WSEX has never been challenged on this sentence in the past 10 years.

4) Anybody who regularily plays horses knows that this is how 95% of online sportsbooks run their racebooks, again, read # 2, if they are not part of the pool they could sink themselves overnite. There might be a few that can absorb the risk or are part of the pool but 95% of them cannot & do not.

5) Anybody who does not bet horses regularily should be reading the rules before placing a wager. There was a link on the very same page on the bottom left showing the rules.

SS, if WSEX was so worried that they might have to take a big hit from the track odds, why didn't they make the rule clear on the front page? WSEX knew that if the rule was on the front page they would lose business to other books. WSEX took a shot and lost and they are using a buried rule that no one knew was there. WSEX might be right because of the buried rule but they are SCUMBAGS that went out of their way to stiff a player. LT:nohead:

 

[SportSavant]

if you walk into a store & see a sticker on an item that should be 1000$ for 10$... is it your automatic right to buy that item?

this case is similar, smokey won 12K, but in another circumstance, someone coulld win MILLIONS on a 10 dollar BET.... any body not part of the horse network would be sunk..... why would WSEX take this risk?

perhaps the sentence was misleading, yes it was, however it was there to address the fact that morning odds on individual horses would not be used, rather track odds would be used, they added it when people used to call & ask why they didnt get the odds they thought they were getting.

 

[Doug]

SS is waffling back and forth on this one badly.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

The casual horse player is not going to know about what book is or isn't apart of the parimutual pool. WSEX is screwing a guy on a technicality.

 

[SportSavant]

SS is waffling back and forth on this one badly.

doug, it is a case of before speaking to WSEX on the phone & after....

as a 'lay', 'non horse' person I did see it the same way as smokey, but that would be my own fault for not knowing the background of horseracing, it is impossible for a online bookie to offer FULL TRACK ODDS & not risk being sunk on any given day.

I didnt realize that, & I dint know about the Para Mutual horse netowrk before talking to Steve

 

[CoachLT]

I did read it the same way you did, Yes I did, I admit that...

BUT,

if I jump ahead & bet, not knowing the rules, that could be my mistake also, even if I interpreted it wrong....

remember, anyone who knows about horses would know that a bookie could sink themselves with a 10$ bet if they allowed this, it would be ridiculous because they are not part of the horse network.

now maybe you are not a big horse guy, so maybe you coudnt have known they were not part of the network, in that case though you should have read the rules....

their sentence isnt even trying to speak about their general rules, it is speaking about something else,

it is very unfortunate, but WSEX has not erred here.

SS, if wsex doesn't want the exposure, DON'T TAKE THE BET. They went out of their way to hide the rule. WSEX is a THIRD WORLD BOOK that has fallen from the top shelf books. WSEX will win this battle but will not win the war.LT

 

[SportSavant]

The casual horse player is not going to know about what book is or isn't apart of the parimutual pool. WSEX is screwing a guy on a technicality.

but if you are a casual sports better, & you start putting money on something, you should read the rules, shoudnt you? if you dont, it is to your own peril....

apparently any knowledgable sports player would know this.

 

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1) the reason they have the sentence on the top of the page is not for false advertising, but rather to inform the customer. If the odds have changed on a horse & a horse goes from say 10-1 to 5-1, they are trying to advise their customers that their bet goes off at the TRACK odds, not the MORNING odds. That is the reason for the sentence. It is not to try to false advertise. It is actually to try to inform.

2) There is a PARA-MUTUAL Pool, NO BOOKIE who is not part of this pool could afford to give out TRUE TRACK ODDS as they could be sunk overnite with a 10$ bet. Certain Bookies, who are part of the POOL, may have this luxury, but most do not. IF they paid TRUE TRACK odds without being part of the pool they would be sunk overnite.

3) WSEX has never been challenged on this sentence in the past 10 years.

4) Anybody who regularily plays horses knows that this is how 95% of online sportsbooks run their racebooks, again, read # 2, if they are not part of the pool they could sink themselves overnite. There might be a few that can absorb the risk or are part of the pool but 95% of them cannot & do not.

5) Anybody who does not bet horses regularily should be reading the rules before placing a wager. There was a link on the very same page on the bottom left showing the rules.
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so let me get this straight.... IT'S MY FAULT THAT I GOT RAPED.. BECAUSE I DID NOT READ FURTHER...

PAST WHERE THEY STATE WE WILL PAY YOU ACTUAL TRACK PAYOUTS????????????????

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME....

SO, I GUESS IT WAS THE GIRL'S FAULT AT DUKE ALSO....
WHAT A GREAT COUNTRY WE HAVE TURNED INTO.....

AND FOR THE LAST TIME .... I AM NOT A TOUT... DO YOU SEE ANYONE FROM MY OFFICE CALLING ANYONE EVERY AND ASKING FOR MONEY.... HELL NO...

I RUN NO ADS.... I CALL NOBODY ASKING FOR ANYTHING .....
SO, IF SOMEONE TELLS YOU THAT YOU ARE GOOD AT MAKING BIRD HOUSES AND THEY WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO MAKE THEM ONE AND THEY WILL PAY YOU FOR YOUR TIME THAT YOU SHOULD SAY NO??
I DO NOT SALE ANYTHING.. UNREAL....

I GUESS I SHOULD SEND WSEX.COM AN LETTER TELLING THEM THAT I AM SORRY ?????

HOW ANYONE CAN READ WHAT IS ON THIER SITE AND NOT THINK THAT IF YOU HIT THE TRIFECTA I WILL GET PAID IS UNREAL... I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE READ IT AND SAID TO MYSELF...

WOW...
THAT 'SOUNDS' LIKE THEY WILL PAY ME BUT LET'S TAKE AN HOUR OR TWO AND READ THIER WHOLE DAMN WEB SITE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT............
I DON'T GET HOSED FOR OVER 10K

PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE JOKING?

 

[wilheim]

Very few books pay exact full track odds -- examples

BetJamaica RaceBook Payouts:
Win / Place / Show -
Pay Full Track Odds
Exacta / Quinella / Daily Double -
Pay up to 300-1
Trifecta / Pick 3,4,5 -
Pay up to *600-1
Maximum horse wager payout is $30,000.00
*Trifecta / Pick 3,4,5 wagers over $10 -
Pay 300-1 on amount exceeding $10.

5Dimes:
Maximum Odds paid for total bets that exceed above limits:
Wager Type Major Tracks Minor Tracks
Win 110/1 50/1
Place 40/1 25/1
Show 20/1 15/1
Quinella 110/1 100/1
Exacta 165/1 150/1
Trifecta 550/1 500/1
Superfecta 1650/1 1500/1
Daily Double 165/1 150/1
Pick 3 550/1 500/1
Pick 4 1650/1 1500/1
Pick 5 3300/1 3000/1
Pick 6 5500/1 5000/1

CRIS:

SPECIAL CATEGORY TRACKS: Max profit $ 100,000 (Including KY Derby).
(Per Race)Category A Tracks: Max profit $ 30,000 (Per Race)Category B
Tracks: Max profit $ 15,000 (Per Race)Category C Tracks: Max profit
$ 10,000 (Per Race)Category D Tracks: Max profit $ 3,000 (Per Race),
NO REBATECategory E Tracks:
Max profit $ 1,000 (Per Race), NO REBATE

WWWTS:


Horse Racing: Limits
WAGER CATEGORY A Max Stake Max Odds
Win $500 Track Odds
Place $500 Track Odds
Show $500 Track Odds
Daily Double $200 200-1
Quinella $200 100-1
Exacta
$100 200-1
Trifecta $30 750-1
Pick 3, Pick 4 $30 500-1

BetMill


Win:Full tracks odds
Place: Full tracks odds
Skow: Full tracks odds
Quinellas:300-1
Exactas:300-1
Trifectas:300-1
Superfectas*:300-1
Parlays*:300-1
Daily Doubles:300-1
Pick 3:300-1
Pick 4:300-1
Pick 6:300-1


Nine.com



Major Tracks
Bet Type
Min. Bet
Max. Bet
Payout Max

Win
$1
$500
Track Odds

Place
$1
$500
Track Odds

Show
$1
$500
Track Odds

Exactas
$1
$100
375 to 1

Trifectas
$1
$50
750 to 1

Quinellas
$2
$200
200 to 1

Daily Double
$1
$100
375 to 1

Pick 3 $1 $50 1000 to 1
Pick 4 $1 $50 2000 to 1

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

I get your point however alot of people signup as new customers to bet on certain events. We have a site claiming actual track payouts on their main page for the KY Derby. The statement alone would make people think all wagers are included since they did nothing to show that exceptions existed.

WSEX you are in the wrong here. Pay the man & fix your damn website. I am so sick of sportsbooks & their bullshit fucking nonsense. Shit like this is why I only bet the horses through the OTB, at the track or online through outlets that take horses only ala TVG, WinTicket,etc.....