What are things you do to stay Active??

[johnboland]

I bought a rowing machine at a thrift store for $20 a few months ago. I try and do 3 sets of 50 every other day to tone my midsection. Also eating more bananna's and applesauce for breakfast instead spending $ on breakfast biscuits.

 

[Enfuego]

Typical American. No reason to move fast, except to actually become stronger and faster. No wonder the US is going to get smoked by the Commies at the London Olympics in a few months

Guarantee you pound for pound I can stack up with 90% of cross fit dudes while expending 50% less energy. You don't become stronger by doing repetitions faster. There's no scientific evidence you can provide that would prove that point.

 

[Jstack34]

Id say find some people to play basketball with. No need playing with people you dont know who foul a lot and take it serious, its just about getting cardio. Played basketball on campus today aand then womens basketball team was there. Our team could play with them but after about 5 minutes into the game we were all gassed and they were just getting started. They aren't necessarily the best players but they are in damn good shape cardio-wise

 

[TomGshotput]

Guarantee you pound for pound I can stack up with 90% of cross fit dudes while expending 50% less energy. You don't become stronger by doing repetitions faster. There's no scientific evidence you can provide that would prove that point.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. Far more than 90% of people in this world don't care to take the steps necessary to be truly strong or fast. So if we do any exercise, it's just dicking around. If exceeding that standard is the best you can achieve, it's not very good. Can you even lift more than one-half of current world records -- 108kg snatch and 133kg clean-and-jerk?

Virtually every piece of literature describing how the strongest and most powerful athletes have become that way is because so much of their time was spent moving as fast as possible. Both scientific and anecdotal:

http://www.amazon.com/Supertraining...X0MY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1336865159&sr=8-2

http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/sportivny/library/rwl.htm

The elimination of the press and the permanent switch to the deep squat for the snatch and the clean has diminished the role of absolute strength and increased that of speed strength in the lifting of maximum weights in the so called quick lifts. A weightlifter needs to generate great force quickly to lift a maximum weight in the snatch and the clean and jerk. So, the development of speed strength is a high priority of weightlifters (3)

According to Vorobeyev (2), "An important peculiarity of weightlifting exercises is the brevity of performance, which makes it very difficult and even relatively impossible to implement conscious corrections during the lifting of the barbell," and "the possibility to implement corrections of motor acts during the lifting of maximum weights is extremely limited. It should be noted here that there would be less error if the movement were 'automatized,' from conscious control, in the opinion of N.A. Bernstein, and driven to a lower regulatory level to the lower neural stages."

So, it is unrealistic for a weightlifter to "think" his/her way through the snatch or the clean and jerk and, at the same time, successfully lift a maximum weight. This is obvious if one takes into account that the actual time of "lifting" a barbell in the snatch or clean is less than one second. The central nervous system's capabilities to direct high speed muscular contraction within the coordination structure of a complex movement like the snatch, the clean, or the jerk have definite limitations.

Start to Lift Fast to Move Fast

"The weightlifting exercises require the most strength in the least amount of time" (V. M. Zatsiorsky; D. Kharre) (18).

When one takes into consideration the physiological and kinematic limitations of the human body, with respect to the distance and time available to generate a sufficient lifting force to the barbell, a weightlifter should begin the snatch and the clean with a large weight as fast as possible. The athlete should strive for maximum acceleration of the body as a whole and its individual links in the effort to accelerate the barbell

The Speed of the Initial Effort
The potential of the main lifting muscles (the extensors of the legs and trunk) to generate vertical force on the barbell is altered by the shifting inclination of the shins, thighs and trunk relative to the vertical. The greatest vertical can be produced over the first few centimeters of the lift from the platform at the instant of barbell separation up to the first full extension of the legs (2, 20, 24). Over the first few centimeters of the lift, the barbell is moving slowly. The conditions are static or close to static so more time is available to generate force, i.e., to realize a larger portion of the absolute strength of the legs.

Once the barbell achieves some vertical velocity, it can move upward under its own inertia. There is less time for the muscles to produce force on the barbell because the athlete is trying to both "lift it and chase it" at the same time.

A fast start is an opportunity to overcome the barbell's resting inertia and, at the same time, take advantage of the favorable mechanical conditions to accelerate it. Starting strength is "the muscles' ability to rapidly display a working force at the onset of tension" (27). A weightlifter employs starting strength to quickly overcome the resting inertia of the barbell

The Connection Between the Specificity of the Weightlifting Exercises and the Athlete's Limitations
The specific limitations of the human body to produce great muscular force quickly (because of the brevity of the snatch and the clean and jerk) and at the same time execute a movement of complex coordination structure compel the weightlifter unconsciously to rely heavily on employing the so called "reactive forces" to lift a maximum weight. The lifter has to rely on the body's innate mechanisms to utilize these forces. The speed with which force is applied to the barbell and the speed of the body's movement in the snatch and the clean and jerk involve actions that cannot be carried out effectively under conscious control.

Therefore, the coordination structure of the snatch and the clean and jerk with near maximum and maximum weights require the athlete's actions to be automatic, i.e., a motor program is formed to carry out a movement too quick to be under conscious control. The weightlifter not only switches muscle groups quickly in lifting a maximum weight but also switches the type of muscular contraction (from concentric to eccentric and so on). The high speed of muscular contraction and the speed with which the body and its individual links move from one position to the next during the snatch and the clean and jerk effectively limit conscious control

 

[Enfuego]

I'm sorry Tom but the clean and jerk has never been the true test of strength in an athlete or they'd use it at the NFL combine and other strength and conditioning tests. Of course the clean and jerk requires speed. That's the nature of a clean and jerk.

All of the items you took a long time to prepare are about the clean and jerk. Tell me you have something else.

Do you imagine a majority of MLB, NBA and NFL players do a lot of fast repetitions with the clean and jerk?

 

[DesertDevil]

Do you imagine a majority of MLB, NBA and NFL players do a lot of fast repetitions with the clean and jerk?

Ive coached HS football for 15 years. Never done clean and jerk in the weight room with the kids. Power cleans yes. Clean and jerk no.

Never coached under or played under a coach who had their kids do clean and jerk. Dont know know any coaches who have their kids do clean and jerk.

Squat and bench are the staples. Power cleans are a great all around training lift. Technique is key with them. Very easy to injure yourself if your technique is bad.

 

[boatboatboat]

Atleast once a week I push my van to a repair shop.

 

[TomGshotput]

I'm sorry Tom but the clean and jerk has never been the true test of strength in an athlete or they'd use it at the NFL combine and other strength and conditioning tests. Of course the clean and jerk requires speed. That's the nature of a clean and jerk.

All of the items you took a long time to prepare are about the clean and jerk. Tell me you have something else.

Do you imagine a majority of MLB, NBA and NFL players do a lot of fast repetitions with the clean and jerk?

That's because NFL, NBA and MLB aren't true tests of strength and speed. The winners in those sports are determined the ability to put the ball in the endzone, through the hoop and runners across homeplate. Sometimes it isn't the guy who is the strongest or fastest who is able to do that the best. Otherwise we would be saying Peyton Manning and Albert Pujols were the strongest and fastest people this century. That just isn't true. In weightlifting, by definition, the winner is whomever is strongest

Though interestingly, even if we do look to NFL, NBA and MLB athletes as the ultimate in strength and speed it further proves my points. So often when those athletes play and practice their sports they are moving at high speeds with high power outputs. Far faster than you ever choose to move

 

[DesertDevil]

That's because NFL, NBA and MLB aren't true tests of strength and speed. The winners in those sports are determined the ability to put the ball in the endzone, through the hoop and runners across homeplate. Sometimes it isn't the guy who is the strongest or fastest who is able to do that the best. Otherwise we would be saying Peyton Manning and Albert Pujols were the strongest and fastest people this century. That just isn't true. In weightlifting, by definition, the winner is whomever is strongest

Though interestingly, even if we do look to NFL, NBA and MLB athletes as the ultimate in strength and speed it further proves my points. So often when those athletes play and practice their sports they are moving at high speeds with high power outputs. Far faster than you ever choose to move

Speed/quickness and strength are two completely different things. Sure they can go hand in hand in some aspects. But training to get "stronger" vs. training to get "faster/quicker", can be very different.

Unless you are eating hot dogs as a sport. Then all bets are off.

 

[Enfuego]

Ive coached HS football for 15 years. Never done clean and jerk in the weight room with the kids. Power cleans yes. Clean and jerk no.

Never coached under or played under a coach who had their kids do clean and jerk. Dont know know any coaches who have their kids do clean and jerk.

Squat and bench are the staples. Power cleans are a great all around training lift. Technique is key with them. Very easy to injure yourself if your technique is bad.

I agree 100%.

 

[Enfuego]

That's because NFL, NBA and MLB aren't true tests of strength and speed. The winners in those sports are determined the ability to put the ball in the endzone, through the hoop and runners across homeplate. Sometimes it isn't the guy who is the strongest or fastest who is able to do that the best. Otherwise we would be saying Peyton Manning and Albert Pujols were the strongest and fastest people this century. That just isn't true. In weightlifting, by definition, the winner is whomever is strongest

Though interestingly, even if we do look to NFL, NBA and MLB athletes as the ultimate in strength and speed it further proves my points. So often when those athletes play and practice their sports they are moving at high speeds with high power outputs. Far faster than you ever choose to move

You aren't making any sense. There is no reason to do a weight lifting exercise fast like these cults do in cross fit. Zero. Prove me wrong.

Nobody is doing a clean and jerk accept for an Olympic athlete training to compete in the actual Olympics.

 

[Enfuego]

Speed/quickness and strength are two completely different things. Sure they can go hand in hand in some aspects. But training to get "stronger" vs. training to get "faster/quicker", can be very different.

Unless you are eating hot dogs as a sport. Then all bets are off.

And let's take an NFL WR for instance. That guy is specifically trying to improve his quickness and flat out speed. He is conducting exercises to improve his foot speed and down-the-field speed. He isn't pushing up 135 as many times as he can in 30 seconds. He isn't squatting 225 as many times as he can in one minute and he sure isn't doing the clean and jerk as fast as he can. That's what crossfitters do. It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[TomGshotput]

Speed/quickness and strength are two completely different things. Sure they can go hand in hand in some aspects. But training to get "stronger" vs. training to get "faster/quicker", can be very different.

Unless you are eating hot dogs as a sport. Then all bets are off.

Force x velocity = power (at least according to what I remember from Professor Guiliano's physics lecture). Increase strength or speed and power increases. Increase both and power increases far more. Which pretty much means "move fast"

If offered cash for how much you can eat, the only thing that matters is the speed it goes down your throat

 

[Enfuego]

Force x velocity = power (at least according to what I remember from Professor Guiliano's physics lecture). Increase strength or speed and power increases. Increase both and power increases far more. Which pretty much means "move fast"

If offered cash for how much you can eat, the only thing that matters is the speed it goes down your throat

But how do you increase strength and/or speed by doing a repetition as fast as you can? Why would you get stronger by doing a repetition faster? Explain that to me.

 

[TomGshotput]

And let's take an NFL WR for instance. That guy is specifically trying to improve his quickness and flat out speed. He is conducting exercises to improve his foot speed and down-the-field speed. He isn't pushing up 135 as many times as he can in 30 seconds. He isn't squatting 225 as many times as he can in one minute and he sure isn't doing the clean and jerk as fast as he can. That's what crossfitters do. It doesn't make sense to me.

Are you really suggesting the way to improve speed is to not move at high speed?

Are you really suggesting that when Calvin Johnson beats the cornerback on a route he isn't moving 230-pounds at maximum or near maximum speed?

Lifting 135- or 225-pounds is less than what some 95-pound women can manage. Pretty meaningless when looking at what it means to be truly fast or strong (though if any NFL receiver does either cleans or clean-and-jerk, I'm willing to bet everything I own they're doing it as fast as they can)

 

[TomGshotput]

But how do you increase strength and/or speed by doing a repetition as fast as you can? Why would you get stronger by doing a repetition faster? Explain that to me.

You can read the scientific articles I linked to earlier. Move slowly, the weight don't go up. Applicable to anything with a barbell (at least with weight that's heavy enough to make muscles stronger, not 135-pounds). Applicable to a wide receiver running a route. Applicable to a point guard running a "fast" break. Applicable to a hitter trying to a hit a "fast"ball. Move slowly in any of those sports and the other guys win

 

[Enfuego]

Are you really suggesting the way to improve speed is to not move at high speed?

Are you really suggesting that when Calvin Johnson beats the cornerback on a route he isn't moving 230-pounds at maximum or near maximum speed?

Lifting 135- or 225-pounds is less than what some 95-pound women can manage. Pretty meaningless when looking at what it means to be truly fast or strong (though if any NFL receiver does either cleans or clean-and-jerk, I'm willing to bet everything I own they're doing it as fast as they can)

Why would you think I'm suggesting the way you increase FOOT speed is not by moving fast? I never once said that. Not remotely close.

 

[Enfuego]

You can read the scientific articles I linked to earlier. Move slowly, the weight don't go up. Applicable to anything with a barbell (at least with weight that's heavy enough to make muscles stronger, not 135-pounds). Applicable to a wide receiver running a route. Applicable to a point guard running a "fast" break. Applicable to a hitter trying to a hit a "fast"ball. Move slowly in any of those sports and the other guys win

You didn't attach any articles. You attached sentences about the clean and jerk which mean next to nothing except to Olympic Athletes. Move SLOWER and the weight doesn't go up? Huh?

Ok, if 135 isn't applicable than how about 225? Explain how pushing this up 10 times at warp speed makes you stronger than pushing it up 10 times slow and methodical?

 

[DesertDevil]

Speed. Power. Strength. Quickness.

All different. Can be related. But all different.

 

[TomGshotput]

If this video doesn't explain it fully, nothing else will. 535-pounds 10 times moving as fast as he possibly can (though I will admit some of the videos of superheavyweights with 400kg are even better explanations, but they're moving as fast as possible, too):