No, I wouldn't. But I don't really care. I know gays are born gay and straights are born straight. Can you 'Fix' a straight guy to be gay?
Why so angry Zit? Can't change the world by ranting here at Rx?
The fact that people are bisexual supports my view more than yours. It means sexuality runs on a continuum from 100% straight to 100% gay, and everywhere in between. And bisexuals probably have an easier time sticking to being with people of the opposite sex because they are attracted to more people than the rest of us. It wouldn't surprise me if many bisexuals try to stay straight. It just so happens that most people are born straight. That doesn't mean we get to mandate (no pun intended) how everyone else has to live. Unless you want to emigrate to Uganda.
Stop thinking you know everything. Why was Jaime Lee Curtis born with
and a dick, forcing her family to make a decision?What, you think I'm the boy in this joke?
The city boy was visiting his country cousins, and along about the second week, he was getting
pretty bored."Look, guys," he told his two cousins, "I see you two go outta here every night and always come
back exhausted. What type of partying are you guys doing?"
The two brothers look at each other, and finally, the older one says, "We're out fuckin' sheep!"
The city boy is aghast at this and says they've got to be kidding!
"Nope. You come along with us tonight and we'll show you what we mean."
"Oh no you don't! I bet if I even TRIED to mount a sheep, you'd spread it all around and laugh
your asses off!"
"We wouldn't do that. You come along with us tonight, and we'll even give you first choice of a
sheep!"
The city boy thought about it, and finally agreed to go along.
That night, they were in a pasture with a herd of sheep. "Go on," said one of the cousins. "Take
Your pick!"
The city boy looked the herd over, and, finally settling on one, drops his trousers, mounts the
ewe, and procedes to enjoy himself.
Somewhere, in mid-stroke, he hears his cousins laughing at him. Immediately dismounting the
sheep, he turns and yells at the two. "I knew it!! You just wanted to see me make a fool of
myself!"
"Naw, that's not it," Replied the one cousin, as he dropped his bib overalls and proceded to
mount a sheep. "We're laughing cause you picked the ugliest one in the herd!"
No, I wouldn't. But I don't really care. I know gays are born gay and straights are born straight. Can you 'Fix' a straight guy to be gay?
Why so angry Zit? Can't change the world by ranting here at Rx?
The fact that people are bisexual supports my view more than yours. It means sexuality runs on a continuum from 100% straight to 100% gay, and everywhere in between. And bisexuals probably have an easier time sticking to being with people of the opposite sex because they are attracted to more people than the rest of us. It wouldn't surprise me if many bisexuals try to stay straight. It just so happens that most people are born straight. That doesn't mean we get to mandate (no pun intended) how everyone else has to live. Unless you want to emigrate to Uganda.
Stop thinking you know everything. Why was Jaime Lee Curtis born with
Blah Blah.
So, the people I know, the guy I've known for 40 years who was gay as gay can be, in 1987 left the lifestyle and got (hetero) married in 1989, and now has grand-children - you're going to tell me he was born gay and is still gay? 100% bullshit.
So many assertions, so little facts.
"born gay" face)(*^%
Still waiting for the elusive "gay gene"...
I guess if someone was born with a penis but feels like a woman, they should go have an operation and become "who they really are"??
What a fucked up illogical mentality.
Just because you have certain desires and urges, doesn't mean you should feed them. That's just more modern post-1960s liberal crap!
"born that way" -- what a ridiculous dumbed-down argument for this deviant social movement.
Meanwhile, gay parenting is still child abuse. No parent who's experienced life would ever approve of gay parenting. Only naive young people who've attended too many 'pride' parades would rubber-stamp such a perversion of the nuclear family.
Mother Nature says 'NO!' but "enlightened progressives" know better....same ol' song and dance.
"born gay" face)(*^%
Still waiting for the elusive "gay gene"...
I guess if someone was born with a penis but feels like a woman, they should go have an operation and become "who they really are"??
What a fucked up illogical mentality.
Just because you have certain desires and urges, doesn't mean you should feed them. That's just more modern post-1960s liberal crap!
"born that way" -- what a ridiculous dumbed-down argument for this deviant social movement.
Meanwhile, gay parenting is still child abuse. No parent who's experienced life would ever approve of gay parenting. Only naive young people who've attended too many 'pride' parades would rubber-stamp such a perversion of the nuclear family.
Mother Nature says 'NO!' but "enlightened progressives" know better....same ol' song and dance.
[h=1]Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic[/h] June 24, 2013
by Mark Ellis -
Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.
“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.
Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.
“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”
Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. “No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”
The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.
Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.
For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other. “These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.
The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.
“Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”
A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.
In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.
“Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.”
“Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.
Most changes in sexual orientation are towards exclusive heterosexuality.
Even more remarkable, most of the changes occur without counseling or therapy. “These changes are not therapeutically induced, but happen ‘naturally’ in life, some very quickly,” Dr. Whitehead observes. “Most changes in sexual orientation are towards exclusive heterosexuality.”
Numbers of people who have changed towards exclusive heterosexuality are greater than current numbers of bisexuals and homosexuals combined. In other words, ex-gays outnumber actual gays.
The fluidity is even more pronounced among adolescents, as Bearman and Brueckner’s study demonstrated. “They found that from 16 to 17-years-old, if a person had a romantic attraction to the same sex, almost all had switched one year later.”
“The authors were pro-gay and they commented that the only stability was among the heterosexuals, who stayed the same year after year. Adolescents are a special case—generally changing their attractions from year to year.”
Still, many misconceptions persist in the popular culture. Namely, that homosexuality is genetic – so hard-wired into one’s identity that it can’t be changed. “The academics who work in the field are not happy with the portrayals by the media on the subject,” Dr. Whitehead notes. “But they prefer to stick with their academic research and not get involved in the activist side.”
Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.
“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.
Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.
“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”
Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. “No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”
The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.
Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.
For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other. “These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.
The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.
“Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”
A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.
In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.
“Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.”
“Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.
Most changes in sexual orientation are towards exclusive heterosexuality.
Even more remarkable, most of the changes occur without counseling or therapy. “These changes are not therapeutically induced, but happen ‘naturally’ in life, some very quickly,” Dr. Whitehead observes. “Most changes in sexual orientation are towards exclusive heterosexuality.”
Numbers of people who have changed towards exclusive heterosexuality are greater than current numbers of bisexuals and homosexuals combined. In other words, ex-gays outnumber actual gays.
The fluidity is even more pronounced among adolescents, as Bearman and Brueckner’s study demonstrated. “They found that from 16 to 17-years-old, if a person had a romantic attraction to the same sex, almost all had switched one year later.”
“The authors were pro-gay and they commented that the only stability was among the heterosexuals, who stayed the same year after year. Adolescents are a special case—generally changing their attractions from year to year.”
Still, many misconceptions persist in the popular culture. Namely, that homosexuality is genetic – so hard-wired into one’s identity that it can’t be changed. “The academics who work in the field are not happy with the portrayals by the media on the subject,” Dr. Whitehead notes. “But they prefer to stick with their academic research and not get involved in the activist side.”
Beautiful! From Global Warming Thread:
And now in THIS THREAD:
And of course......
Neil Whitehead
Dr. Neil E Whitehead is a Christian writer best known for authoring the book, My Genes Made Me Do Itin which he argues again the role of genes in determining sexual orientation. The book is freely available to read at its website, www.MyGenes.co.nz, as can some of his other writings. He has worked for the New Zealand government and the United Nations. While Americans always refer to Jerry Leach, Britains always defer to Whitehead. I have not yet read much of his work but my gut tells me he's a junk scientist. He regularly promotes evidence against biological motivations for transgenderism and homosexuality. The following articles concern transgenderism:
Should Transsexuality Be Freely Endorsed by Christians? His argument against accepting transexual behavior. I have written some observations and responses in Response to Whitehead's Free Endorsement and a rebuttal to the theological portion in Objection: Christ and the Bride
What Produces Intersexes(sic!) Here he claims that the gender identity of intersex patients results from environment, not biology
Is Transsexual Biologically Determined? He claims transexual gender identity is not biologically rooted
Are Transsexuals Born that Way? A less science focused version of the above article. Formerly hosted on Leach's site"
So in other words congrats on your hypocrisy and invalidating yourself Zit, and on your fellow bigot's biased "Studies" with their predetermined conclusions.
And now in THIS THREAD:
And of course......
Neil Whitehead
Dr. Neil E Whitehead is a Christian writer best known for authoring the book, My Genes Made Me Do Itin which he argues again the role of genes in determining sexual orientation. The book is freely available to read at its website, www.MyGenes.co.nz, as can some of his other writings. He has worked for the New Zealand government and the United Nations. While Americans always refer to Jerry Leach, Britains always defer to Whitehead. I have not yet read much of his work but my gut tells me he's a junk scientist. He regularly promotes evidence against biological motivations for transgenderism and homosexuality. The following articles concern transgenderism:
Should Transsexuality Be Freely Endorsed by Christians? His argument against accepting transexual behavior. I have written some observations and responses in Response to Whitehead's Free Endorsement and a rebuttal to the theological portion in Objection: Christ and the Bride
What Produces Intersexes(sic!) Here he claims that the gender identity of intersex patients results from environment, not biology
Is Transsexual Biologically Determined? He claims transexual gender identity is not biologically rooted
Are Transsexuals Born that Way? A less science focused version of the above article. Formerly hosted on Leach's site"
So in other words congrats on your hypocrisy and invalidating yourself Zit, and on your fellow bigot's biased "Studies" with their predetermined conclusions.
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Everything you post is from a Christian source. You hypocritically invalidate yourself in every thread about this issue, every time. Obviously you are very active in the "You're not really Gay! I can fix you" community since you've seen it work so many times. Maybe you can open a clinic with Michelle Bachmann's husband. In Uganda....
The word 'choose' is a misnomer - another dumbing-down of the debate pretending poor gays simply can't help themselves from doing what they do.
They most certainly can.
You don't choose your urges, but you DO choose your behavior. And you also choose whether to feed into those urges, or not.
Why do gays choose to prance around naked committing lewd sexual acts at their vile, disgusting parades?
"Rank idiot", as Ace would say, doesn't do you justice.
Loser!@#0
BLah blah... It's clear you don't want to address the scientific studies, but wish to just spout ad hominems. As far as being stuck to an ideology, I could clearly say the same about you. At least I'm willing to look at the studies, you just want to stick your head in the sand and repeat your mantras.
California Gov. signs law mandating pro-gay curriculum
California , Gay , Jerry Brown
In a move that could have ramifications for curriculum across America, California governor Jerry Brown has signed controversial legislation mandating that public schools teach children about “the role and contributions of” homosexual American historical figures.
The law also forbids materials that “contain any matter reflecting adversely” upon gays on the basis of sexual identification.
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More mandates. More laws. More coercion forcing this deviant crap down people's throats.
Until this militant deviant social movement started attacking traditional institutions (marriage, children!), normal people didn't even raise an eyebrow or care less what gay people said or did in their private bedrooms. Sex is private, after all.
But now the game has changed, as the radicals seek to "fundamentally transform America"
No wonder China will soon surpass the United States as the world's new superpower. While the Chinese emphasize advanced math, sciences and technology, America's left wing indoctrination factories are busy brainwashing kids with Adam and Steve mythology and the "dangers of global warming"
:neenee:
California , Gay , Jerry Brown
In a move that could have ramifications for curriculum across America, California governor Jerry Brown has signed controversial legislation mandating that public schools teach children about “the role and contributions of” homosexual American historical figures.
The law also forbids materials that “contain any matter reflecting adversely” upon gays on the basis of sexual identification.
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More mandates. More laws. More coercion forcing this deviant crap down people's throats.
Until this militant deviant social movement started attacking traditional institutions (marriage, children!), normal people didn't even raise an eyebrow or care less what gay people said or did in their private bedrooms. Sex is private, after all.
But now the game has changed, as the radicals seek to "fundamentally transform America"
No wonder China will soon surpass the United States as the world's new superpower. While the Chinese emphasize advanced math, sciences and technology, America's left wing indoctrination factories are busy brainwashing kids with Adam and Steve mythology and the "dangers of global warming"
:neenee:
