Zit if you think crying to me about the tactics I used to beat you in a debate is going to make me feel guilty forget it. If you had any morals at all you'd know where the real shame should lie. Denying people their rights because of their sexual proclivities is disgraceful. Even more disgraceful is telling them they can be repaired because your church says they're broken. As if any child would choose to make his life that much more difficult than the rest of his peers. Common sense destroys your pseudo-science and your boilerplate religious views.
Zit if you think crying to me about the tactics I used to beat you in a debate is going to make me feel guilty forget it. If you had any morals at all you'd know where the real shame should lie. Denying people their rights because of their sexual proclivities is disgraceful. Even more disgraceful is telling them they can be repaired because your church says they're broken. As if any child would choose to make his life that much more difficult than the rest of his peers. Common sense destroys your pseudo-science and your boilerplate religious views.
Oh, nice projection, Mr. Psychology. I can tell everyone is totally convinced reading your vacuous fratfraud-like response.
Speaking of psychology, The American Psychiatric Association once classified homosexuality as a "mental illness" (back when society rightly considered being gay a disease no different than pedophilia).
But then along came the gay mafia, and of course the usual political bullshit took over.
So prancing around naked committing lewd sexual acts at their vile, disgusting parades is "being born that way"???
We've all read Scotty's desperate Hail Mary response: "the homophobes make them do it!" face)(*^%
What's yours?
"psychology class in the last 15 years!!!"
Scott,
You aren't being civil, nor are you being fair, nor are you painting my clear position fairly.
#1. I'm not out to deny anyone's rights. I've said all along in every fucking gay thread that I've commented on, that I think gays should have any tax benefits that non-gays do... that they should have their civil unions, and actually I support taking marriage out of the governments hand's altogether.
#2. I support so-called change-therapy for gays, for those that want and desire it (which there are plenty). If you read the literature on the subject, that is the same position as the many psychologists and therapists who give such therapy
#3. I've already given you a ton of real-world common-sense situations, and you choose to ignore them, because they disagree with your obdurate views
#4. I'm the free-thinker here, you're the one who's going along with the PC trend of the day.
Oh, nice projection, Mr. Psychology. I can tell everyone is totally convinced reading your vacuous fratfraud-like response.
Speaking of psychology, The American Psychiatric Association once classified homosexuality as a "mental illness" (back when society rightly considered being gay a disease no different than pedophilia).
But then along came the gay mafia, and of course the usual political bullshit took over.
So prancing around naked committing lewd sexual acts at their vile, disgusting parades is "being born that way"???
We've all read Scotty's desperate Hail Mary response: "the homophobes make them do it!" face)(*^%
What's yours?
"psychology class in the last 15 years!!!"
Sure Joe, they change their stance because they were pressured uh-huh. People like you are the reason they needed a mafia in the first place.
Oh lookie here, I think I found Jessie J's psychiatrist!
Psychiatrist Who 'Proved' Gays Can Be Cured Says It Was All a Big Mistake
It's been a major month for the gay rights community. First President Obama came out in support of gay marriage, and then this weekend the NAACP followed suit. Now we have word that Dr. Robert Spitzer, the famous psychiatrist who did the 2003 study that supposedly proved the gay people could be cured of their homosexuality, is recanting his findings and publicly apologizing for being wrong. In a letter that will be published this month by Archives of Sexual Behavior, the same journal where his infamous study appeared, he says,
The fact that Spitzer, an influential and well-respected psychiatrist, became the public face of proving it effective seemed odd to many, particularly because he was an instrumental figure in the 1973 fight that resulted in the American Psychiatric Association no longer classifying homosexuality as a mental illness. Nevertheless, Dr. Spitzer was interested in exploring the effects of the therapy, though the methods he employed turned out to be deeply problematic.
He did phone interviews with 200 men and women that had undergone the therapy in which he asked about their sexual feelings and behaviors before and after the treatment and rated the answers on a scale. He compared the before and after therapy scores and concluded,
Still, Spitzer has always stood by his work, a position he now regrets deeply. So what changed his mind? Well, he's been unhappy for a long time with the way the results were interpreted by the public, but he told the New York Times that it was a meeting with Gabriel Arana, a journalist who interviewed him in March, that got the ball rolling. Arana had undergone reparative therapy himself and was recruited for Spitzers' study, though he didn't end up participating. He told Spitzer when they met how damaging the therapy had been to him, causing him to even contemplate suicide, even though he would have been viewed as a success by Spitzer's measure.
That was enough to convince Spitzer that he needed to go public with his regret. He's almost 80 and has Parkinson's disease, and this mistake is the one thing that haunted him from his long, successful career. So coming clean seemed worth it for the relief it would bring him and all the gay people being forced to undergo treatments that don't work.
Of course it would have been better if he'd never felt compelled to champion his flawed results in the first place, but at least he's come to his senses—better late than never—and had the courage to publicly admit he was wrong. Yes, his original thesis might have led to the harm and suffering of many gay people, though that was largely the doing of religious groups. But at least his recent words might help discredit these dangerous "Cures" and put an end to further pain being inflicted upon future generations of homosexuals.
Psychiatry Giant Sorry for Backing Gay ‘Cure' [New York Times]
Psychiatrist Who 'Proved' Gays Can Be Cured Says It Was All a Big Mistake
It's been a major month for the gay rights community. First President Obama came out in support of gay marriage, and then this weekend the NAACP followed suit. Now we have word that Dr. Robert Spitzer, the famous psychiatrist who did the 2003 study that supposedly proved the gay people could be cured of their homosexuality, is recanting his findings and publicly apologizing for being wrong. In a letter that will be published this month by Archives of Sexual Behavior, the same journal where his infamous study appeared, he says,
I believe I owe the gay community an apology for my study making unproven claims of the efficacy of reparative therapy. I also apologize to any gay person who wasted time and energy undergoing some form of reparative therapy because they believed that I had proven that reparative therapy works with some "highly motivated" individuals.
This is yet another boost for the gay community—and all of us, really—because this study is one of the primary justifications used by religious groups and other extremists (Ahem, Marcus Bachmann!) engaged in trying to "cure" gay people through reparative therapy, also known as sexual reorientation or conversion therapy. Not only does this "pray away the gay" strategy not work, it's actively damaging to patients who undergo it. A recent World Health Organization report deemed it, "a serious threat to the health and well-being — even the lives — of affected people."
The fact that Spitzer, an influential and well-respected psychiatrist, became the public face of proving it effective seemed odd to many, particularly because he was an instrumental figure in the 1973 fight that resulted in the American Psychiatric Association no longer classifying homosexuality as a mental illness. Nevertheless, Dr. Spitzer was interested in exploring the effects of the therapy, though the methods he employed turned out to be deeply problematic.
He did phone interviews with 200 men and women that had undergone the therapy in which he asked about their sexual feelings and behaviors before and after the treatment and rated the answers on a scale. He compared the before and after therapy scores and concluded,
The majority of participants gave reports of change from a predominantly or exclusively homosexual orientation before therapy to a predominantly or exclusively heterosexual orientation in the past year.
The research was rife with problems. It was relied on people's often inaccurate memories, and there was nothing to stop people from simply lying about their feelings. Some of the participants were ex-gay advocates who had a stake in the outcome of the study, and the therapy methods being used by people were all over the map; thus there was no standard method of therapy being proven effective. The journal that published Spitzer's paper made the unusual decision to run it without peer review, though it did print a number of commentaries, which were highly critical.
Still, Spitzer has always stood by his work, a position he now regrets deeply. So what changed his mind? Well, he's been unhappy for a long time with the way the results were interpreted by the public, but he told the New York Times that it was a meeting with Gabriel Arana, a journalist who interviewed him in March, that got the ball rolling. Arana had undergone reparative therapy himself and was recruited for Spitzers' study, though he didn't end up participating. He told Spitzer when they met how damaging the therapy had been to him, causing him to even contemplate suicide, even though he would have been viewed as a success by Spitzer's measure.
That was enough to convince Spitzer that he needed to go public with his regret. He's almost 80 and has Parkinson's disease, and this mistake is the one thing that haunted him from his long, successful career. So coming clean seemed worth it for the relief it would bring him and all the gay people being forced to undergo treatments that don't work.
Of course it would have been better if he'd never felt compelled to champion his flawed results in the first place, but at least he's come to his senses—better late than never—and had the courage to publicly admit he was wrong. Yes, his original thesis might have led to the harm and suffering of many gay people, though that was largely the doing of religious groups. But at least his recent words might help discredit these dangerous "Cures" and put an end to further pain being inflicted upon future generations of homosexuals.
Psychiatry Giant Sorry for Backing Gay ‘Cure' [New York Times]
What are you saying is patently untrue.
http://www.academia.edu/1154979/Changes_in_the_Classification_of_Homosexual_Behavior
During the 1973 meeting of the American Psychiatric Association (APA) a vote of the trustees reveled that in the opinion of the members, homosexuality was no longer considered to be a mental disorder, the change became effective in the 7 the printing of the DSM-II (AmericanPsychiatric Association, 1973). Orthodox practitioners in the mental health profession, felt that the change in policy was caused by pressures from the gay community and that there was insufficient scientific evidence to support such a move by the APA (Bayer & Spitzer, 1982).Based on the recommendations of the APA trustees the category of homosexual behavior was replaced by a category of “sexual orientation disturbance”.
And off to the races went the militant sodomite agenda.
Nothing to do with science, logic or reason and everything to do with politics and radicals who wanted social change - massive social change.
Long story short, the APA got Phil Robertsoned...and the American people got brainwashed.
Only very naive people (like fratfraud with this blind cult-like worship of academia and social-engineers) believe these organizations make these decisions based on a calm, logical discussion of the facts and science.
It's why conservatives favor bottom-up vs. top-down societies.
Oh, nice projection, Mr. Psychology. I can tell everyone is totally convinced reading your vacuous fratfraud-like response.
Speaking of psychology, The American Psychiatric Association once classified homosexuality as a "mental illness" (back when society rightly considered being gay a disease no different than pedophilia).
But then along came the gay mafia, and of course the usual political bullshit took over.
So prancing around naked committing lewd sexual acts at their vile, disgusting parades is "being born that way"???
We've all read Scotty's desperate Hail Mary response: "the homophobes make them do it!" face)(*^%
What's yours?
"psychology class in the last 15 years!!!"
You would have failed that coarse where I went.
To me you guys lack common sense. Joe can spin it anyway he wants. I never once chose or even had the urge to be with a male. The thought of it makes my stomach turn, I didn't decide that. I started watching the Price is Right when I was very young and it wasn't for the merchandise. Are there some people who do choose? I am sure there are a few
Oh lord!
Thanks for giving some guy's feelings about some other people's opinions from 1982. In actuality the militant sodomite agenda is a response to your Westboro Baptist Church agenda. For someone who wants me to rely on the science you sure do jump to a lot of conclusions. You really haven't a clue how far out of the mainstream your views are.
