The ghost that brings nothing positive to any thread any time any day, is evidently trying to suggest I'm racist because I blame Kyrie & not Hayward. It's how ignorant people roll
The fact that I love Brown, Tatum, Smart, Morris, Horford and Rozier and haven't criticized them flies right over the asshole's head. I even said I love IT and wish he received the big payday he deserved, but simple minded people look for simple solutions and couldn't see the truth if it broke his nose. I blame Kyrie because I'm racist, that's all an asshole can see. I was even mad when Doc Rivers left, although I like Stevens better now
You can't reason with ignorance, I don't bother trying
Nah, I meant to say Tatum or Brown would be in the deal...And Hayward or Smart would likely be in it as well because contracts have to come close to matching if a team is over the cap.
So your team is something like Rozier-Smart or Hayward-Brown (or Tatum if Brown is dealt instead)-Morris-Horford-Davis and potentially Kyrie Irving if he re-signs (he'd be kinda stupid not to if AD is on the team IMO, but then again he is kinda stupid)
But maybe Morris doesn't re-sign, maybe Horford opts out (he's gonna have a ton of suitors from teams like the Hawks/Kings/Nets IMO. Teams that can't get a tier 1 top flight FA but got $ to spend and he is a swiss army knife that fits into any team really well)...So it is all pretty fluid. If the Celts can't really surround AD with a good team right away then I don't think it is worth it, but if these other guys re-sign then I think it would be.
As far as signing and trading Kyrie, that actually doesn't really work anymore because of some CBA stuff. He'll either be re-signed or he won't most likely.
Also, to add more fluidity to the equation.....Maybe another team just beats the Celts offer. Maybe one of these teams that lands Zion in the lottery next week just deals the pick for AD.
He can opt out this year and I'd be shocked if he didn't do so. Either re-sign with C's or another team probably get like 3/75 or 4/90ish. He just fits on so many teams and is so critical in helping develop young guys because of all he can do.
As far as Hayward's deal, it's not that big of a deal for the Pels since they're gonna suck the next 2 years anyway and no one is signing with them. They would be getting 1 of Brown/Tatum and 2-3 1st rounders in the deal. Celts have LAC/Memphis/Sacto and their own pick. Pels could insist on Smart/Tatum instead though...I dunno really, maybe the Knicks win the lotto in 5 days and offer Zion for AD, get KD and all these hypothetical scenarios become obsolete.
Just very fluid with a lot of variables.
I think Horford can make 31 mil if he opts in. He'd be a fool to leave. The celtics may want to see him go to free up the $$
Celtics have a bunch of young talent and trade chips. The only way they get rid of Heyward is to give up a few young studs and draft pics. I think AD is in play ONLY if AD wants to go there.
I'm a celtics hater and happy they lost. Just cant brag about it the pats, sox, and bruins are 1000000000x better than my teams at the moment!!
He's 33 next month, if he opts out of 1/30 for a 4/90 that is basically a 3/60 extension on his current deal. Why wouldn't he lock that up at his current age? He looks good still but you can go from sugar to shit fast once you start getting into your mid 30's so not much reason to play out another year on a 1 year deal from a purely financial perspective.
Celts might not wanna pay him that since they possibly can get other FA's down the line, but someone will pay definitely pay him that. Atleast a 3/70 which is a 2/40 extension for him. Lot of young teams with $ to burn.
As far as AD goes, if he just says no way I'm re-signing then they probably leave it alone since he isn't gonna come cheap. But if he's open to it and the other guys re-sign then that will definitely be their #1 priority.
It definitely gives you sticker shock but you gotta realize that a lot of these teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta are able to vastly underpay most of their players because they have young guys on rookie deals, so naturally the $ can flow elsewhere. Their best players are making 1/2 to 1/4th of what they would get on the open market, so they just have a surplus of money to spend.
I'd rather pay a good player 22mill that can help develop young guys, can pass, play D, good intangibles/locker room guy than pay 3 random roleplayers 7-8mill which is what a lot those type of teams end up doing. It's just a situation where scarcity really comes into play.
Only 1 team gets to sign The Freak, and the Celts passed on that opportunity when they drafted ya man Olynyk instead. That 1 gonna sting.
I have no problem betting against the Red Sox or Celtics. Heck, there have been great opportunities recently betting against both. The Patriots are tougher only because it's tough to call the spots when they blow to the line. They have been a bettor's dream since the B&B hookup. In fact they have killed many a poorly financed bookie around here.
If I bet against I am a bettor first and a fan second. If I bet on I'm an equal partner - fan, bettor.
I'm a fan first first and gambler second when it comes to sports. There's plenty of action out there, if I don't like the odds on my team I can find something else to bet on or take the night off
<header id="page-rubric" class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Lato, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; margin-top: 30px; overflow: hidden; position: relative;">Details Are Coming Out About Kyrie Irving’s ‘Awful’ Relationship With Celtics Young Players
</header><section class="page-columns" style="margin: 30px 0px 0px; position: relative; min-height: 500px; min-width: 940px; padding-left: 53px; padding-right: 53px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Lato, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; overflow: hidden !important;"><section class="page-column three-column" id="article-entry-date-and-tags" style="clear: both; margin-bottom: 15px; overflow: hidden; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"><time class="post-date" style="display: block; font-size: 1.2em; padding-right: 20px; clear: none; float: left; line-height: 20px; margin: 0px;">June 20, 2019 at 9:17 am</time>
</section><section id="column_block_2" class="page-column and-content-column two-column" style="margin-bottom: 15px; width: 830px; clear: left; float: left;"><section class="column-item media-type-send2news_nba close-btn" id="featured-media" style="clear: both; margin: 0px 0px 15px; overflow: hidden; padding: 0px; position: relative;">BOSTON (CBS) — Some of the Celtics’ dirty laundry is coming out. And boy does it stink.</section>
<iframe allow="autoplay" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" style="outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background: 0px 0px; display: block; max-width: 99%; margin: 0px !important; padding: 0px !important; border-width: 0px !important; border-style: initial !important; width: 550px !important; height: 310px !important; overflow: hidden !important; float: none !important; max-height: 310px !important;"></iframe>We knew that Kryie Irving’s relationship with the team wasn’t great. But we’re learning that his relationship with Boston’s younger players was even worse than imagined, with Sports Illustrated’s Chris Mannix saying it basically didn’t exist. It sounds like Irving didn’t have time for Boston’s young trio of Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown and Terry Rozier — unless he was yelling at them.
“You can write a whole book on what went wrong because the season was basically a disaster from start to finish,” Mannix recently told Fox Sports Radio. “[Irving’s] relationship with the young players on the roster was awful. Jaylen Brown, he was probably the worst with. I don’t think it was great with Jayson Tatum, and it was awful with Terry Rozier because Terry was supplanted at a position he thought he did enough to win. That created a pretty nasty atmosphere. Kyrie’s leadership skills were lacking, and he failed at it.”
It’s no surprise that Irving and Brown didn’t get along. Brown is an extremely smart kid and challenges himself intellectually. Irving likes to think of himself as an intellectual and challenges anyone who doesn’t agree with him — or just anyone randomly, as he did with head coach Brad Stevens. One can only imagine the rifts between Brown and Irving that had nothing to do with basketball.
And it’s pretty easy to connect the dots with a recent Instagram post from Brown, where the guard professed he “would rather walk than ride with bad company.” Deep.
<iframe class="instagram-media instagram-media-rendered" id="instagram-embed-0" src="https://www.instagram.com/p/By5UOa_lD5n/embed/captioned/?cr=1&v=12&wp=420&rd=https%3A%2F%2Fboston.cbslocal.com&rp=%2F2019%2F06%2F20%2Fdetails-are-coming-out-about-kyrie-irvings-awful-relationship-with-celtics-young-players%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1YRhU5Xu_j4CGsD9CvPtuwxCbODUDNl75FxEUvjptdOBLs2tfOqGHe-98#%7B%22ci%22%3A0%2C%22os%22%3A1132.5599999981932%7D" allowtransparency="true" allowfullscreen="true" frameborder="0" height="819" data-instgrm-payload-id="instagram-media-payload-0" scrolling="no" style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; padding: 0px; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(219, 219, 219); outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; max-width: 420px; width: calc(100% - 2px); border-radius: 3px; box-shadow: none; min-width: 326px;"></iframe>Irving’s bad company wasn’t just for young players, either. Mannix also said Irving did not see eye to eye with Stevens, a fairly unique situation since Stevens took over the Celtics.
“He was the first player to be coached by Brad Stevens who didn’t really enjoy being coached by Brad Stevens and that relationship wasn’t solid,” said Mannix.
This is in line with what NBA insider Jeff Goodman told NBC Sports Boston earlier this week about Irving and Tatum, when he reported that Irving essentially treated Boston’s young star the same way LeBron James treated him in Cleveland: Like a “little brother.” That approach, according to Goodman, held Tatum back in his sophomore season.
“I just think that [Tatum] was held back by Kyrie,” said Goodman. “I really do. I feel like Kyrie treated Tatum like LeBron treated Kyrie to some extent. You’re my little brother. This is where you’re going to be. We’re not gonna let you spread your wings too much. We’ll let you spread them, but you’re still a piece here. If Tatum were allowed — and he will be this year — we’re going to see. This kid is going to be a perennial All-Star in this league.”
It all paints a pretty terrible picture for the 2018-19 Celtics, and it’s easy to see why they underachieved so much in the disappointing campaign. It wouldn’t be fair to put all the blame on Irving; that young trio probably had a pretty high opinion of themselves after getting the Irving and Gordon Hayward-less Celtics to the Eastern Conference Finals last season, and probably didn’t take too kindly to any tutelage Irving offered up. But at the same time, Irving is the guy who wanted to be the leader of the team, and when he has such an ornery approach to such a large portion of the roster, it’s a recipe for disaster.
Now it appears that Irving will be taking his game and attitude to Brooklyn. Good luck to all those young players on the Nets roster.
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</header><section class="page-columns" style="margin: 30px 0px 0px; position: relative; min-height: 500px; min-width: 940px; padding-left: 53px; padding-right: 53px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Lato, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; overflow: hidden !important;"><section class="page-column three-column" id="article-entry-date-and-tags" style="clear: both; margin-bottom: 15px; overflow: hidden; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"><time class="post-date" style="display: block; font-size: 1.2em; padding-right: 20px; clear: none; float: left; line-height: 20px; margin: 0px;">June 20, 2019 at 9:17 am</time>
</section><section id="column_block_2" class="page-column and-content-column two-column" style="margin-bottom: 15px; width: 830px; clear: left; float: left;"><section class="column-item media-type-send2news_nba close-btn" id="featured-media" style="clear: both; margin: 0px 0px 15px; overflow: hidden; padding: 0px; position: relative;">BOSTON (CBS) — Some of the Celtics’ dirty laundry is coming out. And boy does it stink.</section>
<iframe allow="autoplay" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" style="outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background: 0px 0px; display: block; max-width: 99%; margin: 0px !important; padding: 0px !important; border-width: 0px !important; border-style: initial !important; width: 550px !important; height: 310px !important; overflow: hidden !important; float: none !important; max-height: 310px !important;"></iframe>We knew that Kryie Irving’s relationship with the team wasn’t great. But we’re learning that his relationship with Boston’s younger players was even worse than imagined, with Sports Illustrated’s Chris Mannix saying it basically didn’t exist. It sounds like Irving didn’t have time for Boston’s young trio of Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown and Terry Rozier — unless he was yelling at them.
“You can write a whole book on what went wrong because the season was basically a disaster from start to finish,” Mannix recently told Fox Sports Radio. “[Irving’s] relationship with the young players on the roster was awful. Jaylen Brown, he was probably the worst with. I don’t think it was great with Jayson Tatum, and it was awful with Terry Rozier because Terry was supplanted at a position he thought he did enough to win. That created a pretty nasty atmosphere. Kyrie’s leadership skills were lacking, and he failed at it.”
It’s no surprise that Irving and Brown didn’t get along. Brown is an extremely smart kid and challenges himself intellectually. Irving likes to think of himself as an intellectual and challenges anyone who doesn’t agree with him — or just anyone randomly, as he did with head coach Brad Stevens. One can only imagine the rifts between Brown and Irving that had nothing to do with basketball.
And it’s pretty easy to connect the dots with a recent Instagram post from Brown, where the guard professed he “would rather walk than ride with bad company.” Deep.
<iframe class="instagram-media instagram-media-rendered" id="instagram-embed-0" src="https://www.instagram.com/p/By5UOa_lD5n/embed/captioned/?cr=1&v=12&wp=420&rd=https%3A%2F%2Fboston.cbslocal.com&rp=%2F2019%2F06%2F20%2Fdetails-are-coming-out-about-kyrie-irvings-awful-relationship-with-celtics-young-players%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1YRhU5Xu_j4CGsD9CvPtuwxCbODUDNl75FxEUvjptdOBLs2tfOqGHe-98#%7B%22ci%22%3A0%2C%22os%22%3A1132.5599999981932%7D" allowtransparency="true" allowfullscreen="true" frameborder="0" height="819" data-instgrm-payload-id="instagram-media-payload-0" scrolling="no" style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; padding: 0px; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(219, 219, 219); outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; max-width: 420px; width: calc(100% - 2px); border-radius: 3px; box-shadow: none; min-width: 326px;"></iframe>Irving’s bad company wasn’t just for young players, either. Mannix also said Irving did not see eye to eye with Stevens, a fairly unique situation since Stevens took over the Celtics.
“He was the first player to be coached by Brad Stevens who didn’t really enjoy being coached by Brad Stevens and that relationship wasn’t solid,” said Mannix.
This is in line with what NBA insider Jeff Goodman told NBC Sports Boston earlier this week about Irving and Tatum, when he reported that Irving essentially treated Boston’s young star the same way LeBron James treated him in Cleveland: Like a “little brother.” That approach, according to Goodman, held Tatum back in his sophomore season.
“I just think that [Tatum] was held back by Kyrie,” said Goodman. “I really do. I feel like Kyrie treated Tatum like LeBron treated Kyrie to some extent. You’re my little brother. This is where you’re going to be. We’re not gonna let you spread your wings too much. We’ll let you spread them, but you’re still a piece here. If Tatum were allowed — and he will be this year — we’re going to see. This kid is going to be a perennial All-Star in this league.”
It all paints a pretty terrible picture for the 2018-19 Celtics, and it’s easy to see why they underachieved so much in the disappointing campaign. It wouldn’t be fair to put all the blame on Irving; that young trio probably had a pretty high opinion of themselves after getting the Irving and Gordon Hayward-less Celtics to the Eastern Conference Finals last season, and probably didn’t take too kindly to any tutelage Irving offered up. But at the same time, Irving is the guy who wanted to be the leader of the team, and when he has such an ornery approach to such a large portion of the roster, it’s a recipe for disaster.
Now it appears that Irving will be taking his game and attitude to Brooklyn. Good luck to all those young players on the Nets roster.
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