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Depends on what you mean by "falls". There's certainly a lot of ways the US can "fall" because when you are at the top there is only one direction to go -- and that is down. If "the fall" is due to mostly economic factors such that the US is no longer considered to be a world-dominating superpower, then that is not horrible for US Americans.

However, if "the fall" is due to environmental catastrophe, limited (or major) nuclear exchange with another country, or possibly nuclear terrorism, then we're talking about a much worse type of "fall". Such a fall would have much more dire consquences than simply falling behind other countries economically or technologically.

What I guess I'm trying to say is, it's important to consider if the fall is a "whimper" or a "shriek". Considering the US political landscape these days it seems the US would not likely to go out with a whimper if at all possible and are willing and capable making war (preventative war) to maintain power. And, of course, such behavior would tend to lead the US (and possibly other countries, or even all of civilization) to falling in a "shriek" of nuclear and/or environmental catastrophe.

But then, as remote of a possibility as it is, US politics may not factor into the fall if that humongous super-volcano under Yellowstone National Park blows up. When it blows it will destroy whatever government is in power in North America. In fact that bastard has the potential to decimate most all of human civilization across the planet. Not only destroy human civilization but destroy most all life by plunging us into a mass-extincting dark cold winter. Sounds crazy, but it will definitely blow at some point in time and there is no stopping it. Oh well...
 

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roach23 said:
Wresteling crocodiles isn't a sport. And making movies about being a croc hunter doesn't mean you're taking over Hollywood.

Lets get serious. If America fought Australia using only 1/5th of our Armed Forces, we'd still shit on you.

Bullshit. We wrestle crocs. Besides the rest of the world would jump at the opportunity to give america a taste of it's own medicine.

For the record coming 4th in the olympics despite only having a population of 20 mil isn't a bad feat.
 

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Mr J said:
For the record coming 4th in the olympics despite only having a population of 20 mil isn't a bad feat.

No, it is not a bad feat. But it ain't taking over the world, either.

Also, Australia is just fine. Being a world power is hardly what it is cracked up to be. Having a functional economy and social structure FAR out of everyone's way is a great blessing for Australia. tulsa
 

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We have a problem that is called indonesia. They don't like us to start off with and being the largest muslim population in the world they aren't too happy about us going to iraq. But that's ok, if they attack we can just call on america ;)
 

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Mr J said:
Bullshit. We wrestle crocs. Besides the rest of the world would jump at the opportunity to give america a taste of it's own medicine.

For the record coming 4th in the olympics despite only having a population of 20 mil isn't a bad feat.

Australia even with all of western Europe couldn't beat America. Unless you have Russia or China with you America would shit on you.

I'm not saying America is invincible. Earlier in this thead i said we could be beat down the road by India, China or Russia. But saying that Australia could beat us is laughable.

Population of 20 million?? Shit the population of New York is about 17 million. And even being out numbered by 3 million I'll max bet that New Yorkers shit on Australia.

Quit living in a fantasy land, mate.
 

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A country with an armed force of 40k or so isn't going to be able to successfully invade a country with an armed force of 2mil or so and better technology etc ;) I didn't think anyone would take me seriously. We're a good supporting country but with such a small population that's all we'll ever be.
 

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I think it depends on how WWIII plays out, I do believe there will be a WW#3. If it's most of the world against USA, US could fall very soon. Who would be allied with US side ? I think Canada is a given. Who else ?
 

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I think it depends on how WWIII plays out, I do believe there will be a WW#3. If it's most of the world against USA, US could fall very soon. Who would be allied with US side ? I think Canada is a given. Who else ?

Who is the US against in WW3?
 

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Mr J said:
A country with an armed force of 40k or so isn't going to be able to successfully invade a country with an armed force of 2mil or so and better technology etc ;) I didn't think anyone would take me seriously. We're a good supporting country but with such a small population that's all we'll ever be.

Didn't know you were kidding. Someone was seriously suggest South Africa earlier.
 

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There are many doomsday scenarios that can happen. I was just reading through a site yesterday that has them, wish I had the link. Stephen Hawking very recently gave a presentation in which he said the only chance for the human species to survive to get off this planet to the Moon (in twenty years) and Mars (fourty years timeframe). We're fucked.
 

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roach23, I guess it is the internet...

doug, the aussies would side with the yanks. Our prime minister sleeps with Bush nearly as much as Blair does.
 

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Amsterdam said:
There are many doomsday scenarios that can happen. I was just reading through a site yesterday that has them, wish I had the link. Stephen Hawking very recently gave a presentation in which he said the only chance for the human species to survive to get off this planet to the Moon (in twenty years) and Mars (fourty years timeframe). We're fucked.

You won't see a lunar colony that quick, plus it would be dependant on Earth.
 

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It takes 10 years to re-build ( widen) a bridge in my area, moon-base is just not going to happen anytime soon.
 

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What hawking said and what amsterdam made it sound like are two very different things. Hawking said it could be possible for us to have bases there within that timeframe where as amsterdam made it sound like it was necessary. What hawking is saying is necessary is to diversify and not have all our eggs in the same basket. Spreading out lowers the risk of something destroying our species. Doesn't take stephen hawking to figure that out ;)
 

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Wow an OT thread that has itself gotten OT. Everyone is simplifying this way too much. While the world is globalizing, it is also fractionalizing. In the near future, the more powerful countries will be the ones with the resources and the ability to protect those resources. End of story. And yes, 40 years ago if you said that Chile would have the world's 4th largest economy you would get laughed at. South Africa will have an ethnic cleansing and then turn into a pretty decent-sized power with the plethora of resources they have.

Another interesting theory is that most of the wars in the near future will be over water. Don't buy into it necessarily, but the guy makes a decent argument.
 

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Mr J said:
What hawking said and what amsterdam made it sound like are two very different things. Hawking said it could be possible for us to have bases there within that timeframe where as amsterdam made it sound like it was necessary. What hawking is saying is necessary is to diversify and not have all our eggs in the same basket. Spreading out lowers the risk of something destroying our species. Doesn't take stephen hawking to figure that out ;)

True.

See what happens when information gets filtered through my demented mind? Facts become fiction, left becomes right, and up becomes down. . .

But seriously, I'll have to admit I took that out of context.
 

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