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you're simply blinded by hate, they came within two minutes of winning two more since your big exposure date

they lost one game in the closing seconds after the most fortuitous play in superb bowl history, the Tyree catch

since your supposedly exposure date, the Patriots have

1) the best record in football at 88-24
2) season win totals of 16, 11, 10, 14, 13, 12 and 12
3) the most appearances in the conference championship game, 4
4) tied for the most SB appearances

yet you argue that two last second losses in the SB proves they have to cheat

fucking priceless, meaning you couldn't be more wrong

Gee, you're an arrogant, no-nothing putz in sports as well as politics, I see. Read post # 39 in answer to all of your hypothetical BOOLshit...
 

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3 wins, all exactly by 3 points, then his team gets busted for cheating, and he hasn't won a SB now in a decade(including some of the biggest choke jobs in sports history). I don't think so. Apparently it's not so easy to win when you don't have the other team's plays like everybody else.

HAHA....the hater lives.

New Yorkers are always so frigging jealous. Dude you guys beat us twice you should be proud!
Not the Jets.....the Giants that is.

BTW - MOB Sheeper brought this thread down this road. Should not have gotten off topic like this.
 

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Favre is far closer to Mike Vick or Tim Tebow than he is to any top 5 QB. Wild gun slinger lacking poise and other qualities needed.
 

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HAHA....the hater lives.

New Yorkers are always so frigging jealous. Dude you guys beat us twice you should be proud!
Not the Jets.....the Giants that is.

BTW - MOB Sheeper brought this thread down this road. Should not have gotten off topic like this.

Is there a more trite, overused, teenage word than "hater?" And it's almost always used simply to describe somebody who disagrees with you, I'm surprised you didn't spout the "Haters gonna hate!" mantra like a f'ing parrot. First you lie, as is befitting a cheating Patriot, and say that their cheating wasn't proven-wtf?!?! When the people who judge such things-the league office, not fans-say you cheated, and take a half a million bucks of your money, sounds like proof to ME. Now you're trying to say it "doesn't matter," and, if it DID matter, why isn't everybody doing it? Priceless. First of all, who died and made YOU Grand Football Poopah about the effect of having films? If studying films didn't matter, why do all teams do it constantly during the week? And, why don't they all cheat? Well, I dunno, how about because they don't think it's right, or, even if that's not the case, because they're afraid of getting fined and/or losing draft choices the way the cheating, ain't-won-shit-since-they-got-busted Patriots did, THAT'S why...
 

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Is there a more trite, overused, teenage word than "hater?" And it's almost always used simply to describe somebody who disagrees with you, I'm surprised you didn't spout the "Haters gonna hate!" mantra like a f'ing parrot. First you lie, as is befitting a cheating Patriot, and say that their cheating wasn't proven-wtf?!?! When the people who judge such things-the league office, not fans-say you cheated, and take a half a million bucks of your money, sounds like proof to ME. Now you're trying to say it "doesn't matter," and, if it DID matter, why isn't everybody doing it? Priceless. First of all, who died and made YOU Grand Football Poopah about the effect of having films? If studying films didn't matter, why do all teams do it constantly during the week? And, why don't they all cheat? Well, I dunno, how about because they don't think it's right, or, even if that's not the case, because they're afraid of getting fined and/or losing draft choices the way the cheating, ain't-won-shit-since-they-got-busted Patriots did, THAT'S why...

You need to learn how to read.
Once you do then I will comment.
 

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If "ifs" were fifths, we'd all be drunk. If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle, and if Brady threw a better pass to Welker, he wouldn't have to twist around to make the catch. And how about THIS "if?" If Belicheat had been caught cheating earlier, they might not have won ANY. Woudda, coudda, shoudda, is a waste of time.

Semantically speaking, I never used the word "IFs" though you may categorically use it to your advantage. I said "outside" of the fluke pass which means I've accepted the fact that it had happened, not if it didn't happen. Reading comprehension isn't exactly your best trait, is it?
 
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Everyone is going to have a diff answer because they have their own opinion of why. But the question is not... Who has the most rings or who has the best playoff stats?

So we are comparing montanas playoff stats but not his regular season stats to peyton?

Elway never threw for 30 tds in a season. To say he is better makes no sense.

i bet most of you guys would say yesterdays game was peytons legacy too? Lol. One game doesnt define a career.
 

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You need to learn how to read.
Once you do then I will comment.

Translation: I just got bytche slapped, the way my cheating Patriots have done lately, and the way the Broncos did yesterday, I've got absolutely NO comeback, so I'll pull the 'ole "I won't dignify your remarks with a reply" deal and try to appear unconcerned. Break it down for me, Liar Boy, what did I "mis-read?"
 
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New England cheated their way to their super bowls......had they not done that they may have won ZERO

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this is real talk.

100 grand fine for stealing opponents signals lol

brady is a great qb but his career has an * because of belichek. Not bradys fault but it is what it is
 
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^ OMG. They cheated wa wa wa. Fucking cry babies blaming other things that they cant prove rather then what happens on the field. "Belichek probably had a lot of peytons signals back from 2000-2003." HAHA.

I love all the people who ridicule the Pats about Spygate, like they were doing something so fucking terrible. They were video taping from a different location then they were the year before. HAHA Like it made a fucking difference. Every team video tapes!! Everyone of them. But at the end of the year it doesn't help 31 teams, only 1 LOL!! Then on top of that, the Pats can win 3 championships in 4 years and its quarterbacks resume is "discredited". Does anyone have any fucking clue how hard it is to do that? Like their play on the field didn't even matter.

Here is a very simple breakdown to win a championship...Defense! Back in 97-04' the Pats had some outstanding defenses. Thats the difference folks. Its not surprising. Marshall Faulk can hold a grudge for as long as he wants (very unhealthy) but the reason his team lost was turn overs. 3 of them to be exact. Anyone remember that game? St. Louis dominated them. All they had to do was hold onto the ball they would have won and he wouldn't be complaining the rest of his life. But he blames mysterious video tapes that never existed. He really should look at the guys on the other side of the ball like Seymour, McGinest, Law, Millow, Bruschi, Vrabel. Thats who will win you a championship! Just like Chancellor, Smith, Wagner, Thurmond, Thomas and Sherman shut down that record breaking offense last night.

The simple truth is the Pats haven't had a defense since. That is why they win at a ridiculous clip during the regular season and fizzle out in the playoffs. Just like the Colts used to do and just like Denver did this year.

No matter how much preparation a team goes thru the play on the field will decide the winners 100% of the time. Video tapes from September and mysterious video tapes that never existed will not win a damn thing for you.


Lol why did they move the camera? For a better view?

Come on dude. You are bias. So youre saying Bill Belichek wouldnt cheat if he had the chance? Ha!
 
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Semantically speaking, I never used the word "IFs" though you may categorically use it to your advantage. I said "outside" of the fluke pass which means I've accepted the fact that it had happened, not if it didn't happen. Reading comprehension isn't exactly your best trait, is it?

My Reading comprehension is just fine, it's YOURS that needs work. Did I quote you using the word "if" or say that you used it? No, I was commenting on the tone of your remarks, do you understand the difference? Ohhhh, if that Tyree pass hadn't been completed, and, and, if Welker hadda caught that pass...hypotheticals are a waste of time, as Captain Jack Sparrow said, there's only what a man CAN do, and what he CAN'T, and the Belicheats didn't make those plays, so, they lost. PERIOD. Plus, you made an incredibly stupid comparison in the Jordan play, first of all, your description of that play is YOUR ill advised opinion, nothing more(and if you knew the first thing about basketball, you'd know that that call is rarely made, much less in that situation). There is no "opinion" about Belicheat: he got busted and admitted it. He came, he cheated, and he got caught. Can you comprehend THAT?
 

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My Reading comprehension is just fine, it's YOURS that needs work. Did I quote you using the word "if" or say that you used it? No, I was commenting on the tone of your remarks, do you understand the difference? Ohhhh, if that Tyree pass hadn't been completed, and, and, if Welker hadda caught that pass...hypotheticals are a waste of time, as Captain Jack Sparrow said, there's only what a man CAN do, and what he CAN'T, and the Belicheats didn't make those plays, so, they lost. PERIOD. Plus, you made an incredibly stupid comparison in the Jordan play, first of all, your description of that play is YOUR ill advised opinion, nothing more(and if you knew the first thing about basketball, you'd know that that call is rarely made, much less in that situation). There is no "opinion" about Belicheat: he got busted and admitted it. He came, he cheated, and he got caught. Can you comprehend THAT?

actually, you insinuated and based on your inability to articulate anything on equal intellectual matter, I can say with a firm tone that you sir probably never finished high school and is of one of the many degenerate "new yorkers" I've come into contact with as I finished my grad degree there many years ago. So how do you say "cheating is cheating". The difference is the refs didn't call on Jordan. It's only cheating if you got caught. Patriots got caught. End of story. But nothing can be taken from those championships and nothing can be taken from the success that they've had POST the scandal. It's not like Brady went out and pulled and ELI and threw 30 interceptions or so in 2013. I guess every team was spying on the Giants; only way to explain such monstrosity numbers.

Stop hanging around on the corner in the bronx like a hobo and go read a book, son.
 

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you're simply blinded by hate

but i'm not. i dont hate Brady nor the Patriots. I think Brady's a pretty damn good QB. Had a mediocre season this year, but losing your top 3 pass catchers from the year before hurts a lot.

My point was if we're judging Brady on his playoff and Super Bowl wins (since we're doing it for PeyPey), then you have to consider that NE cheated their way to their wins. And when the cheating was caught and they had to stop, they since havent won a SB.

IMO both Brady and PeyPey belong in the top 10 of all time QBs......where they land in that top 10 will be subject to debate that few will agree upon.
 
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Thank you


this is real talk.

100 grand fine for stealing opponents signals lol

brady is a great qb but his career has an * because of belichek. Not bradys fault but it is what it is


So what? Peyton had his father, his whole fucking life. You think they didnt help Peyton? Certainly helped Eli. I bet hes prolly not even sniffing the league without Archie(not as a father as a mentor)

It is pretty clear to me, ( I know it was just a regular season game) but when Brady was down what 4 TDs to denver this year, and came back and won, they pretty much sealed it for me which QB was better.

You can sing spygate and belichek till the cows come home, but down 4 with 2 mins left give me BRADY.
 

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actually, you insinuated and based on your inability to articulate anything on equal intellectual matter, I can say with a firm tone that you sir probably never finished high school and is of one of the many degenerate "new yorkers" I've come into contact with as I finished my grad degree there many years ago. So how do you say "cheating is cheating". The difference is the refs didn't call on Jordan. It's only cheating if you got caught. Patriots got caught. End of story. But nothing can be taken from those championships and nothing can be taken from the success that they've had POST the scandal. It's not like Brady went out and pulled and ELI and threw 30 interceptions or so in 2013. I guess every team was spying on the Giants; only way to explain such monstrosity numbers.

Stop hanging around on the corner in the bronx like a hobo and go read a book, son.

Another putz bragging about his "accomplishments" on an internet forum, it doesn't get much more pathetic than THAT! I'll say it again, the play by Jordan was NOT an offensive foul, just your brainless opinion that it was. The notion that often comes up, in sports, and in politics, that it's only cheating if you get caught, is one that shows somebody who is a scumbag with low moral character-not to mention, comparing a play in the heat of game, even if it was a foul, which it was not, to systematically setting up cameras to furtively tape an opponent again and again is such a stupid comparison that you should be embarrassed to make it. Trouble is, you're too clueless to be embarrassed. They got caught taping the Jets, fer crissake, who really sucked at the time, if they felt compelled to cheat against THOSE toads, how likely is it that they would do likewise against good teams? Virtually a mortal goddamn LOCK, that's how likely. You seem to think that you're insulting me by the comments about Eli, funny thing is, I can't stand the Giants, either, him and Coughlin in particular, and have said as much many times on this and other forums-I had no rooting interest in either of those 2 Super Bowls-well, that's not quite true, I DID want the Pats' perfect season to be ruined, and they came through with flying colors, lol.
 

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and on that note, can you comprehend that, SON?

What's the matter, "grad student," your little dinosaur brain can't fart out but so many thoughts at a time, so you have to write back to back posts to "formulate a response?" And, btw, "I can say with a firm tone that you sir probably never finished high school and is of one of the many degenerate "new yorkers" what a classic! First, a "firm tone," what are you, an English school master? "...that you sir probably..." might wanna stick a comma in there, Rhodes Scholar boy, and, the piece de resistance, "...never finished high school and is of one of the many degenerate "new yorkers" Well, I ain't no grad student, and all, but "I's" pretty sho' it be you ARE one one of the many degenerate New Yorkers, ain't it, boss?

There aren't too many things funnier than a pompous asshole insulting somebody else's intelligence or education and making a hideous mistake themselves while doing so...:pointer:Loser!@#0
 

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What's the matter, "grad student," your little dinosaur brain can't fart out but so many thoughts at a time, so you have to write back to back posts to "formulate a response?" And, btw, "I can say with a firm tone that you sir probably never finished high school and is of one of the many degenerate "new yorkers" what a classic! First, a "firm tone," what are you, an English school master? "...that you sir probably..." might wanna stick a comma in there, Rhodes Scholar boy, and, the piece de resistance, "...never finished high school and is of one of the many degenerate "new yorkers" Well, I ain't no grad student, and all, but "I's" pretty sho' it be you ARE one one of the many degenerate New Yorkers, ain't it, boss?

There aren't too many things funnier than a pompous asshole insulting somebody else's intelligence or education and making a hideous mistake themselves while doing so...:pointer:Loser!@#0

no rhodes scholar here. But seriously what are you saying? Can you tell us again? Because I seriously didn't read what you wrote.
 

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Translation: I just got bytche slapped, the way my cheating Patriots have done lately, and the way the Broncos did yesterday, I've got absolutely NO comeback, so I'll pull the 'ole "I won't dignify your remarks with a reply" deal and try to appear unconcerned. Break it down for me, Liar Boy, what did I "mis-read?"

That part where I said the Patriots "didn't cheat". Never said it.
Your a fucking idiot.

The Patriots have won more games than anyone else in the league since spygate, thats why it didn't matter you illiterate haha.
They keep winning and winning and winning!

Too bad. Now if the Pats had fallen off the face of the earth then you would be in the drivers seat with that pathetic argument. But since they have won more than anyone else since.
You lose!

Is there a more trite, overused, teenage phrase than "haven't won a superbowl since spygate?"

 

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