can we finally put the brady manning talk to bed

[Bourn]

brady manning thread........try something less polarizing like abortion or God or no God

God

 

[Bourn]

or .........mayonnaise or miracle whip ?

miracle whip

 

[Willie99]

miracle whip

no way

mayonnaise 24/7

next thing you know somebody is going to say margarine over butter

 

[Willie99]

I think Manning may have played with more super stars than Brady, certainly has had a lot more consistency in his supporting cast

 

[silver7]

Most clever pre game HS poster ever. Col Hts here in Mpls was playing Rochester Mayo HS. The poster read "It won't take a miracle to whip Mayo". Take THAT Bill.

 

[steaktartar]

miracle whip

no man of God would pick miracle whip

 

[douglas]

Wait ...............are we talking Payton or Eli

 

[billhill999]

Wait ...............are we talking Payton or Eli

No, Hellmans over Kraft.

Uh oh, here comes the Pats fans now to defend 'Kraft' mayo

 

[Donkwin47]

Brady is not better than Manning. Most people don't know the X's & O's & just look at titles as a final determination of who is better. Ask people who truly understand the game who is the better QB & most will tell you Manning is. He schools Brady in the X's & O's. Look at the Colts, that team was never that great as they had average talent at best at most positions. He was good enough to mask all of that for years & carry that team. Want proof? Look at how this team played on Sunday & probably the majority of the season. Brady got knocked out & the team still won double digit games. Brady has had better overall talent.

Is he a great QB? Sure, but is he the best ever? Not even close. If you take some of the true greats & let them play in today's era & they would put up sick numbers as well. Take a Marino or Montana & let them play with the wide open offenses & rules favoring QB's & WR's & see what they would have done.

I love you.

Here's some backing for that claim: "There are 20 living quarterbacks in the Professional Football Hall of Fame. We tracked them all down and asked: if you had to choose between Tom Brady and Peyton Manning to quarterback your team, who would you pick and why? The common denominator in all the responses was a groan and a chuckle. “How can you choose between Rembrandt and Van Gogh,” asked Steve Young. Every Hall of Famer agreed you couldn’t lose with either, and picking one didn’t mean you wouldn’t be happy to have the other. Everyone expressed admiration for both players and said, unequivocally, that they, too, would be wearing the yellow jacket one day in Canton. But when pressed to decide, the tally was 13½-2½, with four abstaining." (Vote in favor of Manning)

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33937274

 

[billhill999]

I would like Mays in center over Mantle, and I'm a NYY fan.

Steak wants Killer at first over Frank Howard though

 

[Bourn]

no man of God would pick miracle whip

You may have a point there, but i doubt it.

 

[PatsFanatic]

I love you.

Here's some backing for that claim: "There are 20 living quarterbacks in the Professional Football Hall of Fame. We tracked them all down and asked: if you had to choose between Tom Brady and Peyton Manning to quarterback your team, who would you pick and why? The common denominator in all the responses was a groan and a chuckle. “How can you choose between Rembrandt and Van Gogh,” asked Steve Young. Every Hall of Famer agreed you couldn’t lose with either, and picking one didn’t mean you wouldn’t be happy to have the other. Everyone expressed admiration for both players and said, unequivocally, that they, too, would be wearing the yellow jacket one day in Canton. But when pressed to decide, the tally was 13½-2½, with four abstaining." (Vote in favor of Manning)

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33937274

Who the fuck would choose 1 SB over 3???????????

They all got sacked too much

All you Manning backers can have him lol

 

[bailey]

Brady won those Superbowls with far superior TEAMS than Manning ever had.Pats defense in those SB years were far better than any D Colts have had during Mannings career.QB alone does not win SB

 

[taylor13]

Brady won those Superbowls with far superior TEAMS than Manning ever had.Pats defense in those SB years were far better than any D Colts have had during Mannings career.QB alone does not win SB

yea i agree. Brady has always had more talent on both sides of the ball as far as i'm concerned. Reggie Wayne is a legit stud receiver, but Does anybody really think Marvin Harrisson would have been a star receiver if he played without Manning? I sure as hell dont. What about Edgerrin James for running back, he left in his prime and sucked ass in Arizona. Pierre Garcon, Anthony Gonzales, Austin Collie? yea those guys arent shit without manning either. Dallas Clark is a legit tight end.

Its a good debate and its hard to argue against Brady winning 3 super bowls while playing a position in a league that your career success or failure hinges on how many super bowls you won. All that said I'd still choose Manning, just my preference

 

[REDEYE]

Brady is in my top 10 not top 5. BTW he only has two Super Bowls. I don't recognize the 1st one. He choked with the fumble in the snow against Oakland. He also choked in the Denver and Ravens playoff games too. He has had the best coaching by far of any QB in a long time and has taken advantage of it. I still put him behind, Elway, Montana, Manning, Favre, Unitus,Bradshaw, Young, and Starr. Marino doesn't crack my top 15. He couldn't get it done in a big game and always blamed his teammates for the losses.

 

[PatsFanatic]

Brady is in my top 10 not top 5. BTW he only has two Super Bowls. I don't recognize the 1st one. He choked with the fumble in the snow against Oakland. He also choked in the Denver and Ravens playoff games too. He has had the best coaching by far of any QB in a long time and has taken advantage of it. I still put him behind, Elway, Montana, Manning, Favre, Unitus,Bradshaw, Young, and Starr. Marino doesn't crack my top 15. He couldn't get it done in a big game and always blamed his teammates for the losses.

:lolBIG: you don't recognize the 1st one????????

Who the fuck drove the team down the field in a 1:30 to win the game? As a rookie...

 

[PatsFanatic]

Brady won those Superbowls with far superior TEAMS than Manning ever had.Pats defense in those SB years were far better than any D Colts have had during Mannings career.QB alone does not win SB

I'll give you the defenses. But Brady still had to put up 20,24, and 32 to win those games.

 

[DrunkenHorseplayer]

Your completely wrong about this. Cassell was a part of the patriots offense for many years before he got his chance. He knew this system, the playbook, everything. That is why he led the team to an 11 win year. He also had the help of playing San Fran, St. Louis, Seattle, Oakland, Arizona. If Brady doesn't get hurt its another 14 win season and they go the playoffs again.

The Indy situation is completely different and they look foolish because of it. They had all their chips in Manning from Day 1 and are now paying for it. Have they ever had a decent back-up in case of this injury? Not really. They are now trying to plug in a NFL veteran (retired lol) who is way past his playing days and doesn't have a clue of what they do in Indy offensively. Ofcourse the season is going to be a disaster. You cant compare the two situations at all.

Now to your "equal talent" comment. I could argue all day long how Manning has had just as great of a core around him, but it's been done already. I will say this,
the measurement of a great player is to make those around you better....Brady does this way better than Manning and that is why he is superior!

When Cassel started for the Pats, I don't think he had started a game since high school and there had to be a reason for that: he simply isn't good, as evidenced by his play since then. As far as making those around you better, Manning has done that far better than Brady. Brady has never had to make his teammates better because he's been surrounded by far better players, especially on defense.

 

[REDEYE]

:lolBIG: you don't recognize the 1st one????????

Who the fuck drove the team down the field in a 1:30 to win the game? As a rookie...

Oakland won the AFC Championship that year. Nobody won the Super Bowl ! Don't take it personally, I don't recognize Pittsburgh in 06 either when the NFL had their love affair for Betus and had the game fixed. Duke in 91 is also on the list for NCAA going after Tark and UNLV inserting referees to make sure every call went in Duke's favor.

 

[MIKEY.1TIME]

Brady won those Superbowls with far superior TEAMS than Manning ever had.Pats defense in those SB years were far better than any D Colts have had during Mannings career.QB alone does not win SB

defense yes..but is this offense really better than manning ever had? i think not
Quarterbacks

• 11 Drew Bledsoe
• 12 Tom Brady
• 19 Damon Huard

Running Backs

• 44 Marc Edwards FB
• 33 Kevin Faulk
• 35 Patrick Pass FB
• 21 J. R. Redmond KR
• 32 Antowain Smith

Wide Receivers

• 80 Troy Brown PR
• 87 Bert Emanuel
• 81 Charles Johnson
• 86 David Patten
• 84 Torrance Small

Tight Ends

• 83 Rod Rutledge
• 85 Jermaine Wiggins

Offensive Linemen

• 63 Joe Andruzzi G
• 77 Mike Compton G
• 74 Kenyatta Jones T/G R
• 70 Adrian Klemm T
• 72 Matt Light T R
• 64 Greg Robinson-Randall T
• 67 Grey Ruegamer C/G
• 76 Grant Williams T
• 65 Damien Woody C

Defensive Linemen

• 91 Bobby Hamilton DE
• 96 Brandon Mitchell DE
• 97 Riddick Parker DE
• 98 Anthony Pleasant DE
• 94 Jace Sayler NT UR
• 93 Richard Seymour NT R

Linebackers

• 54 Tedy Bruschi ILB
• 51 Bryan Cox ILB
• 53 Larry Izzo ILB
• 52 Ted Johnson ILB
• 55 Willie McGinest OLB/DE
• 90 Marty Moore ILB
• 95 Roman Phifer OLB
• 99 T. J. Turner OLB R
• 50 Mike Vrabel OLB

Defensive Backs

• 29 Hakim Akbar SS R
• 27 Terrell Buckley CB
• 30 Je'Rod Cherry FS
• 23 Antwan Harris FS
• 34 Tebucky Jones FS
• 24 Ty Law CB
• 36 Lawyer Milloy SS
• 25 Leonard Myers CB R
• 22 Terrance Shaw CB
• 45 Otis Smith CB
• 26 Matt Stevens SS

Special Teams

• 13 Lee Johnson P
• 66 Lonie Paxton LS
• 4 Adam Vinatieri K

Reserve Lists

• 88 Terry Glenn WR (Left Squad)
• 38 Ray Hill CB (IR)
• 49 Jabari Holloway TE (IR) R
• 59 Andy Katzenmoyer ILB (IR)
• 48 Arther Love TE (PUP) R
• 28 Brock Williams CB (IR) R
• 14 Walter Williams RB (IR) UR

Practice Squad

• 68 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Ashworth