can we finally put the brady manning talk to bed

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All you got to do is measure Brady's TD to interception ratio and Tom blows him away.
Or look at the fact that while Manning is going 30 for 35 with 2 TD passes, on turf inside a 70 degree dome with no wind in December.Tom is doing the same thing in a 20 degree snowstorm in NE.

actually in the snowstorm he choked and fumbled the football against the raiders. Unfortunatly everyone but the referees saw it
 

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Did Manning really have that much talent? None of his team has really succeeded without him or on other teams? His defenses have always been very beatable too.
 
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actually in the snowstorm he choked and fumbled the football against the raiders. Unfortunatly everyone but the referees saw it

Bullshit.

"When I got over to the replay monitor and looked at it (it) was obvious that his arm was coming forward," Coleman told a pool reporter afterward. "He was trying to tuck the ball and they just knocked it out of his hand. His hand was coming forward, which makes it an incomplete pass."
 

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Bullshit.

"When I got over to the replay monitor and looked at it (it) was obvious that his arm was coming forward," Coleman told a pool reporter afterward. "He was trying to tuck the ball and they just knocked it out of his hand. His hand was coming forward, which makes it an incomplete pass."

your right it was "bullshit"
 

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Bullshit.

"When I got over to the replay monitor and looked at it (it) was obvious that his arm was coming forward," Coleman told a pool reporter afterward. "He was trying to tuck the ball and they just knocked it out of his hand. His hand was coming forward, which makes it an incomplete pass."

Festering, you need some context with this though. We all know NOW its an imcomplete pass.. but at the time that was NEVER called. the common fan, hell the COMMENTATORS didn't even know of the tuck rule... strange time to implement it.
 

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actually in the snowstorm he choked and fumbled the football against the raiders. Unfortunatly everyone but the referees saw it

He also threw for 5 TD's in a single quarter in a snow storm.
He is the best all weather QB ever.
 
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Festering, you need some context with this though. We all know NOW its an imcomplete pass.. but at the time that was NEVER called. the common fan, hell the COMMENTATORS didn't even know of the tuck rule... strange time to implement it.

So he made the right call, but at the wrong time?

What are the theories out there:

The ref Coleman was really a Pats fan, and knew about the tuck rule,
and was waiting for an opportune time to screw the Raiders with it?
 

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So he made the right call, but at the wrong time?

What are the theories out there:

The ref Coleman was really a Pats fan, and knew about the tuck rule,
and was waiting for an opportune time to screw the Raiders with it?

Raiders weren't exactly the NFL favorites team if you remember. Along the lines of the Duke-UNLV 91 ncaa semifinals. NCAA had in for Tark and he got repaid with the worst officiating game in the history of sports. Again " bullshit " I don't recognize that championship.
 

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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...actions-tom-brady-looks-like-a-37-year-old-qb

The Week in Overreactions: Tom Brady looks like a 37-year-old QB

By Ryan Wilson | CBSSports.com


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<figcaption>It didn't look like it Sunday, but the Patriots and Tom Brady will be fine. (USATSI)</figcaption> </figure>New storylines emerge every week. Some are reasonable, most are not. "The Week in Overreactions" focuses on the latter. Those items that offer a cursory "How do you do?" as they blow past reality straight for THIS IS THE MOST AMAZING THING EVER! We're here to keep everything in perspective. Questions, comments, casserole ideas? Hit us up on Twitter at @ryanwilson_07.
Do we need to revisit Tom Brady's 'I'll retire when' comments?
Tom Brady is old. Tom Brady is slow. In the season opener Sunday against the Dolphins we were reminded of both. We were also reminded of something Brady said last week: "When I suck, I'll retire. I don't plan on sucking for a long time."
At his advanced NFL age, "a long time" is relative.
We're kidding, but Brady didn't resemble the usually efficient quarterback we've seen running the Patriots offense for more than a decade. Instead, he looked hurried and out of sorts because he was under constant pressure from the Dolphins' front seven.
Brady finished 29 of 56 for 249 yards with a touchdown, but he was sacked four times and his fourth-quarter totals -- while trying to lead the Patriots back from a 13-point deficit -- were truly Tebow-ian: 6 of 20 for 31 yards. The Dolphins scored 23 unanswered points in the second half, and when it was over Miami had a 33-20 victory.
According to ESPN, Brady was pressured on 13 of 37 dropbacks in the second half (35 percent). He was pressured on 21 percent of dropbacks last year, fourth lowest in the league.
This is where you point out that the Patriots traded Pro Bowl guard Logan Mankins 14 days ago, presumably because of his advanced age (32) and big contract (Mankins carried a $10.25 million cap charge in 2014). But it wasn't just the offensive line getting manhandled; the defense was incapable of stopping a Dolphins offense that had little trouble stopping itself a season ago. New offensive coordinator Bill Lazor has quarterback Ryan Tannehill playing quicker, and free-agent acquisition Knowshon Moreno (24 carries, 134 yards) ran all over a New England defense that was supposed to remind us of those mid-2000s units -- key cogs during those Super Bowl runs -- not the hapless bunch that was regularly steamrolled in recent years.
"You can't go out there and play the way we played today and think you will win a game this season," Brady after the game. "There is nothing positive to really take from the things that we were doing.
"It was a good example of if you do the things that we did today, you will get beat. We played a good football team at home. I would say we had a decent first half, but you have to put 60 minutes together if you are going to beat them."
In 2008, the Dolphins beat the Patriots in Miami in Week 3, 38-13, but that was because of two things: the wildcat offense and the absence of Tom Brady, who was injured against the Chiefs in the season opener. Miami went on to win the division and New England missed the playoffs.
This time was different; the wildcat has been dead for years and Brady hasn't missed a game since he returned in 2009. But at 37, is Brady closer to the end than he thinks? No one's making the case that he "sucks," but it's reasonable to wonder if he's something less than one of the NFL's best quarterbacks. Of course, we asked this question in mid-December after the Patriots lost to -- wait for it -- the Dolphins in Miami. Brady threw the ball 55 times that afternoon and was constantly harassed in the pocket. Sound familiar?
But unlike last season, when that Week 15 loss in Miami had playoff bye-week implications, we're one game into the 2014 season. It's way too early to panic, even if the Patriots are currently alone in last place in the division.
"It's tough losing, but at the same time, I'm not going to hold my head down," nose tackle Vince Wilfork said Sunday. "... It's a long season, and this is one game of many. It's not how you start; it's how you finish. We started shitty, I'll tell you that. But we'll get it together."
And there's no reason to doubt him.
 

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