5-11 FIRST YEAR with the Patriots
2-4 this year (with 8 opt outs)
11-5 in 2008
3-1 in 2016
I think it's silly to have to defend the GOAT
He owns 8 rings
You're thinking he wants his friends, an adoring fan base and Kraft to lose? I think he has a lot more class than that
seriously?
I don’t think Brady cries at night when the pats lose .
No I don’t .
I do notice how you left out the coach from the list of people Brady does not want to see lose though .
I see 21-23 with NE, 37-45 with Cleveland for 58-68 for 46%. Obviously there were some tough spots here, Cleveland was 3-13 the year before he took over. It was his first head coaching stint. Bulk of his losses with NE were in the first 18 games with Bledsoe. Team had some rebuilding to do after the end of the Carroll run. He's still 1 of the best coaches ever but the numbers aren't irrelevant either.
Just the idea he is worth more than QB's like Brady, Manning, Mahomes, Wilson was never true and unlikely to hold up as an opinion unless he got some really good short-term variance (which does happen in the NFL obviously)
But I'm just gonna go back to the point I made in the thread about other coaches and coaching in general, it is fucking hard. The NFL is designed for mean regression and fragility. Elite players just matter more as the elite QB's have teams contending year in and year out. The idea Belichick was sooooo much better than the 2nd best coach in the NFL as the answer to "why don't other coaches contend every year like other elite QB's do" couldn't conclusively be proven wrong, but it wasn't right.
Having Tom Brady papers over so many mistakes, can't develop 1 good offensive skill position player out of the draft in 8 years? Defense sucks one year? Don't know how to use timeouts at the end of the half even though you've been around pro football since 1976? Welcome to the NFL where all of that stuff now gets magnified.
The Patriots were also able to play hardball in every contract negotiation knowing that their team could lose anyone besides Brady and still be relatively good thus giving them an insane amount of leverage that other teams don't have. That takes a lot more balls and gumption without an elite QB creating a high floor for you every single year.
Combined those qb's have 29 years of starting experience and 7 super bowl appearances. Tom Brady has 9 super bowl appearances in 19 seasons as a starting qb. In the seasons he made a SB appearance Brady has a median qbr of 75.7. The others have a median qbr of 75.5. Is it that he's better than his contemporaries, is more clutch and made more plays, was put in a better situation, consistently had better teammates? It's probably a combination of all of those things at different points in his career. I just think that if we're going say what separated these franchises there's one thing that stands out.
That wasn't the question.
The question was do you think BB is more valuable than those guys, or is he just more valuable than Brady.
Question was pretty direct. None of this mumbo jumbo philadelphia lawyer stuff
Also, Manning had better offensive teammates than Brady and played indoors for the majority of his career so QBR is a W for Brady there unless you believe in that "the system" stuff that y'all like to pretend is a real thing. Mahomes/Wilson didn't entirely play in the same era as Brady so raw stats not ideal there. But again, I wasn't comparing Brady to those QB's. I was comparing BB to them.
Lol @ "median QB from SB seasons" so you can include his early 00's stuff when the league was entirely different. Cmon man, who do you think you're talking to? You're either reciting a bad argument you saw on twitter or you think I'm an idiot.
