Belichick should have traded jimmy g to the jets for a 7th round draft pick then quit the pats after the Super Bowl and the go to the jets and kick the pats ass twice a year for about 5 seasons then retire
That would have been so awesome
That would have been so awesome
You ask 1000 football fans who the best coach is ever I guarantee you at least 900 of them if not 980 or more will say belichick .
Ask those same 1000 fans who the best qb is of all time and Brady would be doing well to get more the 400 votes
Im sure even the pats fans will back me on this .
What I’m saying is no disrespect to Brady but it’s basically universal who the best coach is of all time .
That is not the case on best qb of all time .
What I’m saying is not an opinion it’s fact really .
The fact you think what I’m saying is funny shows your lack of knowledge
Thats my whole point .
Not much competition for best coach ever.
You might get a few Bill Walsh votes here and there .
I can’t really think of anyone else that deserves to mentioned in the same sentence .
The ability for a coach to win with a HOF quarterback definitely increases the perception of their ability. The fact that Belichick has had a top quarterback of Brady's caliber for this many years is definitely not the norm. Very few QB's have that kind of longevity and with the same team and coach. Closest may be Favre.
The argument against Belichick is his record with Cleveland. If you are a great coach why did you make the playoffs just once in 5 years with Cleveland? There is no defense for this argument. Let see Phil Jackson win with the Sacramento Kings and no MJ, Pippin, Shaq, Kobe. Makes his record quite a bit less impressive.
Also when talking about the greatest it is difficult to compare different era's of coaches and players. Why not Lombardi for coach? In terms of creativity and effect on the game Walsh had a great record and his offense changed the game. Belichick has done nothing game changing in terms of his offense or defense.
What I do think is Belichick has done a terrific job of is managing the salary cap. But to that end he has had some help too in that Tom Brady has been willing to take a smaller salary than he should relative to the market to allow New England to put better players around him to win. Other teams QB's have not done this. See Drew Brees for example.
Also if NE doesn't win some of the close Super Bowls that they could have and probably should lost have loss would you still be saying Belichick is the GOAT? If they lose to Seattle and lose to Atlanta. He won one early in his career when they were the underdog against St Louis. On the flip side he lost as huge favorites against the Giants with a team that if they would have gone undefeated would have arguably went down as the greatest in history.
There is also the * that seems to be associated with Belichick like the first Superbowl and the St. Louis players are saying they knew all the calls.
The argument against Belichick is his record with Cleveland. If you are a great coach why did you make the playoffs just once in 5 years with Cleveland? There is no defense for this argument. Let see Phil Jackson win with the Sacramento Kings and no MJ, Pippin, Shaq, Kobe. Makes his record quite a bit less impressive.
Also when talking about the greatest it is difficult to compare different era's of coaches and players. Why not Lombardi for coach? In terms of creativity and effect on the game Walsh had a great record and his offense changed the game. Belichick has done nothing game changing in terms of his offense or defense.
What I do think is Belichick has done a terrific job of is managing the salary cap. But to that end he has had some help too in that Tom Brady has been willing to take a smaller salary than he should relative to the market to allow New England to put better players around him to win. Other teams QB's have not done this. See Drew Brees for example.
Also if NE doesn't win some of the close Super Bowls that they could have and probably should lost have loss would you still be saying Belichick is the GOAT? If they lose to Seattle and lose to Atlanta. He won one early in his career when they were the underdog against St Louis. On the flip side he lost as huge favorites against the Giants with a team that if they would have gone undefeated would have arguably went down as the greatest in history.
There is also the * that seems to be associated with Belichick like the first Superbowl and the St. Louis players are saying they knew all the calls.
But being the best coach ever doesn't make you more valuable than the best QB in the league (or probably 2nd or 3rd)
Why do you think it does? We have tons of evidence of the top QB's in this era providing their teams with sustainable success.
We have 1 example of that with a coach, and he happens to also have 1 of those QB's.
I could maybe see this argument favoring the coach in another era, but with the rules and salary cap, QB is everything these days.
I say it starts with Belichek and flows down from there. There are far to many elements that go into it other than the qb for them to be successful. Playcalling, scheme, protection, defense......No doubt in my mind Belicheck would have been successful with or without Brady. Sure Brady checks off all the boxes but he would have found a qb who is a leader, is intelligent, etc. These aren't unique traits to Brady. And don't forget who coaches Brady and taught him everything he knows to be an NFL professional and x&o's.
Belicheck is the ultimate coach at scheming and bringing out the best in his players and was able to culminate all of this into Brady. We have so called professional analysts telling us you can't beat the Patriots with zone which is almost completely untrue. The Patriots offense is designed to beat you either way. Once they've identified the coverage they have built in man and zone options. Belicheck just outclasses his peers and is head and shoulders better than them. Anyways that my take.
When someone says this, there really is no way to prove them wrong because we've never seen Belichick coach without Brady besides 1 year with Matt Cassel and the easiest schedule in the league, as well as almost the same team that was undefeated the year before. Atleast since he has been considered the best coach.
But given he was 5-13 with Bledsoe at QB (a pretty good QB for all hi faults) and had 5 mostly terrible years with the Browns, I think this is probably not true. All the stuff people say about Belichick now is the same stuff they said about Knoll or Walsh or Shanahan or Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells and all were humbled when they had less talent around them. It's just a big leap of faith to think BB would be immune to that if he didn't have the luxury of having the best QB that never gets hurt for 15 years.
That comment was based on a separate comment I made based on what JC said .
JC said Brady was without argument the best qb of all time .
Then he said belichick is arguably the best coach of all time .
I was just telling JC he had those 2 backwards.
BB is without argument the best coach ever and that there were several other QBs who could make a case for being best qb ever.
I think even you would agree with that even though me and you have different opinions on which one is most important .
You can think Brady is more importAnt even if he is only the 3rd or 4th best qb ever even if BB is the undisputed best coach
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/pag...iots-dynasty-2017-nfl-playoffs-super-bowl-lii
Pretty good writeup by Bill Barnwell on Brady vs Belichick.
Pretty good writeup by Bill Barnwell on Brady vs Belichick.
Wasnt Belichick run out of Cleveland? Then he gets this dude named Tom Brady? EVERY NFL coach is as good as his starting QB - that probably sounds like im putting Belichick down which isnt my intent - he is wonderful coach obviously but if there wasnt a Tom Brady they have no rings - not one - in my mind u have Tom Brady and Michael Jordan and no one even close regardless of the sport
Exactly.
Way, way, way more Belichick than Brady. It's not even close. When you lose your franchise qb supposedly the best of all time, you are supposed to go 2-14; not come within an eye lash of making the playoffs.
Bellichick is far and away the best head football coach of all time. That is not even debateable. The Patriots take guys off the street and make them productive.
How would a guy like Case Keenum look if he was a Patriot the last 15 years after his 9 year college career? What if Brady were taken in the 6th round by the Browns?
If not for Belichick, people would be saying Manning was the greatest of all time because he would have 3 more super bowls at least along with all the passing records.
