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You could start with conceding anything with dreamer issue. Thats a win ..
The dreamers have been here for quite awhile and there is a really good chance that
they're not going anywhere soon, if ever. Pelosi knows this that's why she didn't push it.
She really didn't lose anything but what she did was live to fight another day.
 

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That 25 minute shitshow this afternoon was the best TV I've seen in years. Almost makes me wish Tiny could make it into a second term

"I didn't have to do this (declare a natl emergency). I just want to get it (my Wall) done faster..."

Haha...omg I was cracking up also, especially when he started singing a song about getting sued and then when he was asked "who do you take advice from" and he started listing Hannity, Rush(how much of a talent he is because he can talk for 3 hours straight without taking a phone call on his radio show), and then right down the line of FoxNews tv hosts, Carlson, Ingram, etc...concluding with anyone that says "nice things about me."

What a circus clown and with the make up to match.
 

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The dreamers have been here for quite awhile and there is a really good chance that
they're not going anywhere soon, if ever. Pelosi knows this that's why she didn't push it.
She really didn't lose anything but what she did was live to fight another day.

Ill say this about you Dave, you seem level headed and can admit defeat instead of believing the spin you are given by a person you want to succeed. Not a lot of people are capable of doing that, even I was trying to defend why the Obama administration weren't a bunch of cowards by sending drones to bomb poor countries. I shouldn't have, that was the direct definition of being a coward.
 

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Trump gave everyone one last chance to remedy the situation.. They didn't do it.. No reason to go thru another shutdown , for 2 reasons. Dems are obstructionist and won't deal. Don't waste anymore time with this.So sign the deal , take that money and continue to build the wall. any other President would just say " ok best we could do lets move on to something else.. Not here . "We're going to build the wall one way or the other " You can fight with fools as long as you want .. be my guest..

If the wall gets built the way Trump is proceeding , what will be the problem here ? that it wasn't done thru a legislative process ? LOL
 

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Out of 438 people in Congress, the good guys had about 150 or so on their side.

I don't think there's much you can do with those odds.

The government is infiltrated with open-border globalists and socialists.
 

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Out of 438 people in Congress, the good guys had about 150 or so on their side.

I don't think there's much you can do with those odds.

The government is infiltrated with open-border globalists and socialists.

agree. and some think you can just keep negotiating with that.....
 

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Unacceptable.

But Trump is Serpico, totally surrounded by corruption at every level of the government.

The GOP failed him, they are phony, going thru the motions to appear to support him so as not to offend Trump supporters, they do not want to lose those votes for their own campaigns.

If the GOP wanted a wall, they would ALL say all day and all night for years, the SAME consistent documented messaging such as:

2018: there were >35,000 violent crime CONVICTIONS by illegals. Murder. Kidnappings. Sexual assaults. Assaults.

BUT THEY DO NOT.

They are smart enough to know they should.

But they do not.

Ass wipe reporters say immigration is going down, according to "figures". Reply should be "OH, then 35,000 violent crimes are OK with you????"
 

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It is what it is as Bill Parcells would say.

Should've been handled in early 2017. Doesn't really matter much now anyway as Trump has come out in favor of mass migration the last few weeks.

I don't really care as much as some (I realize there are differences) if they come legally or illegally, it's all mass migration from the 3rd world either way.
 

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The wall is important but what Trump just did is make that bill a law. Let that sink in for a moment.

He is going to have to live with whatever is in it. He fucked up. The least he could have done is read
the bill before signing it. He's smart enough to interpretate if it fucks the country.

If he is relying on McConnell's word that the bill is OK then he's a fool. McConnell is a Rino, always been
one and will always be one. He's been in the Senate for 34 years. That makes him a tenured member of the swamp.

I had really high hopes for Trump and he came out of the gate guns blazing. Cut taxes, repealed regulations,
turned the economy around, everything I had hoped for. But he can't rest on his laurels, pat himself on the
back and say look at what a good job I did. The Democrats are a relentless bunch. They never take a day off.
They will wear you down with pure persistence and perseverance.

I don't know where Trump goes from here but he just got his pooper packed. If I were him I'd lay low for awhile
and see what can be salvaged from this train wreak.
 

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The wall is important but what Trump just did is make that bill a law. Let that sink in for a moment.

He is going to have to live with whatever is in it. He fucked up. The least he could have done is read
the bill before signing it. He's smart enough to interpretate if it fucks the country.

If he is relying on McConnell's word that the bill is OK then he's a fool. McConnell is a Rino, always been
one and will always be one. He's been in the Senate for 34 years. That makes him a tenured member of the swamp.

I had really high hopes for Trump and he came out of the gate guns blazing. Cut taxes, repealed regulations,
turned the economy around, everything I had hoped for. But he can't rest on his laurels, pat himself on the
back and say look at what a good job I did. The Democrats are a relentless bunch. They never take a day off.
They will wear you down with pure persistence and perseverance.

I don't know where Trump goes from here but he just got his pooper packed. If I were him I'd lay low for awhile
and see what can be salvaged from this train wreak.

Unless you haven't been paying attention , You know where Trump is going from here . He told us today..Shift funds around and the Emergency declaration.. holding up govt again makes no sense.. again whats the alternative ? The current bill is only good thru Sept. if I'm not mistaken... Wall gets built in enough strategic places , the limitations won't be as obstructing as most think , especially if he gets any help from the Governor..

I will repeat the same question again

If the wall gets built the way Trump is proceeding , what will be the problem here ? that it wasn't done thru a legislative process ? LOL
 

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nobody is celebrating that this is a good deal. the big picture is the wall is continuing to get built.. the more miles it gets put up , the less illegals will be crossing...Did anyone realistically think it would go any other way ?
 

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The only other option in my mind , would have been to not have any border security funding involved with this process. and go straight to the other 2 options
 

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Unless you haven't been paying attention , You know where Trump is going from here . He told us today..Shift funds around and the Emergency declaration.. holding up govt again makes no sense.. again whats the alternative ? The current bill is only good thru Sept. if I'm not mistaken... Wall gets built in enough strategic places , the limitations won't be as obstructing as most think , especially if he gets any help from the Governor..

I will repeat the same question again

If the wall gets built the way Trump is proceeding , what will be the problem here ? that it wasn't done thru a legislative process ? LOL
The only way this is going to work is Trump ignores the inevitable court rulings
for him to stop building the wall and just plows ahead. I'll even go so far as to
say I bet there's wording in the bill that he just signed into law to hinder it from
being built.
 

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The bottom line is that the amount of undocumented illegal aliens that come to this country probably isn't going down anytime soon.

There are stuff that isn't even talked about anymore that would be way more important than a physical barrier.

-Mandated e-verify

-Ending birthright citizenship

-Enforcement of visa overstays

All this stuff would curb the illegal population way more and none of it is on the table. I don't even see this stuff mentioned on boards like this despite the fact people seem to be ardent supporters of restricting illegal immigration. All they care about is a wall that would make a marginal difference at best if not coupled with these other reforms.
 

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The bottom line is that the amount of undocumented illegal aliens that come to this country probably isn't going down anytime soon.

There are stuff that isn't even talked about anymore that would be way more important than a physical barrier.

-Mandated e-verify

-Ending birthright citizenship

-Enforcement of visa overstays

All this stuff would curb the illegal population way more and none of it is on the table. I don't even see this stuff mentioned on boards like this despite the fact people seem to be ardent supporters of restricting illegal immigration. All they care about is a wall that would make a marginal difference at best if not coupled with these other reforms.

Most of what you're bringing up , would most likely be brought up in a overall immigration bill. not some flimsy thing done today
 

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The only way this is going to work is Trump ignores the inevitable court rulings
for him to stop building the wall and just plows ahead. I'll even go so far as to
say I bet there's wording in the bill that he just signed into law to hinder it from
being built.

Trump has enough money right now to continue.. no doubt he will get blocked in court with the Emergency declaration.. but that doesn't stop what he can do with what he has now .. hopefully enough wall gets built with the money he has , to make a difference..
 

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Most of what you're bringing up , would most likely be brought up in a overall immigration bill. not some flimsy thing done today

Yeah, I know but I'm saying that stuff isn't even talked about in the overall immigration debate besides snippets here and there.

The supporters of open borders/mass migration have moved the goal posts so far that they're just running up the score now.
 

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Yeah, I know but I'm saying that stuff isn't even talked about in the overall immigration debate besides snippets here and there.

The supporters of open borders/mass migration have moved the goal posts so far that they're just running up the score now.

it seems like a 1 man show , and a few real supporters … maybe get out the pen a few more times will be the solution..
 

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Trump has enough money right now to continue.. no doubt he will get blocked in court with the Emergency declaration.. but that doesn't stop what he can do with what he has now .. hopefully enough wall gets built with the money he has , to make a difference..
I'm thinking you're a glass half full kinda guy. I'd rather not settle for half of anything.
 

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it seems like a 1 man show , and a few real supporters … maybe get out the pen a few more times will be the solution..
And that's the main reason he's being outgunned. Why do you suppose the Repubs in Congress turned their back to him?
 

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