when did it become the cool thing to hate nickleback

Search

Oh boy!
Joined
Mar 21, 2004
Messages
38,373
Tokens
Because they totally changed their sound. Think of Def Leppard for example. The first two albums were very edgy for the era. MTV comes along and management (or whoever) decides they should be more radio-friendly, sing ballads, etc and now they cater to a whole different audience. Aerosmith, same thing.

As DEAC says, that happens a lot. Van Halen, Motley Crue, etc. soften their hard rock sound to pander to the masses once they start hitting it big. But I happen to like the ballads and radio-friendly songs. Hell, I even like "Jump".
 

New member
Joined
Jun 2, 2006
Messages
29,253
Tokens
As DEAC says, that happens a lot. Van Halen, Motley Crue, etc. soften their hard rock sound to pander to the masses once they start hitting it big. But I happen to like the ballads and radio-friendly songs. Hell, I even like "Jump".

Remember the band Ambrosia?
They had those two ballads. "Biggest Part of Me" was their most famous.
Before that, that band totally rocked out.
 

Breaking Bad Snob
Joined
Dec 5, 2004
Messages
13,430
Tokens
^<<^
As DEAC says, that happens a lot. Van Halen, Motley Crue, etc. soften their hard rock sound to pander to the masses once they start hitting it big. But I happen to like the ballads and radio-friendly songs. Hell, I even like "Jump".

Yes Motley Crue is another excellent example. They sold out on their 3rd album. To VH's credit they held out until album #6. However 1984 is still pretty damn good.

And actually Def Leppard's first three albums were pretty hard. Then on their 4th release the "Pour Some Sugar on Me" era began.
 

New member
Joined
Aug 12, 2006
Messages
3,331
Tokens
1. Nickelback sounds nothing like Grunge. Your statement couldn't be more wrong.

2. Collective Soul is nowhere near being a Grunge band.

That was one epic FAIL of a post, sir.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-grunge

Post-grunge is a subgenre of alternative rock that emerged in the mid-1990s as a derivative of grunge, using the sounds and aesthetic of grunge, but with a more commercially acceptable tone. This made post-grunge bands like Foo Fighters, Nickelback, Creed and Matchbox Twenty among the most commercially successful rock acts of the late 1990s and early 2000s.
 

New member
Joined
Aug 12, 2006
Messages
3,331
Tokens
Post-grunge

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Post-grunge Stylistic origins Alternative rock,[1] grunge Cultural origins Mid-1990s United States, United Kingdom, Canada and Australia Typical instruments Electric guitaracoustic guitarbass guitardrumsvocal Mainstream popularity Mid-1990s to early-2010s Regional scenes British Columbia, California, Pacific Northwest, Southern Ontario, Upper Midwest Other topics Post-grunge bands Post-grunge is a subgenre of alternative rock that emerged in the mid-1990s as a derivative of grunge, using the sounds and aesthetic of grunge, but with a more commercially acceptable tone. This made post-grunge bands like Foo Fighters, Nickelback, Creed and Matchbox Twenty among the most commercially successful rock acts of the late 1990s and early 2000s.
[edit] History

The death of Kurt Cobain of Nirvana in early 1994, as well as touring problems for Pearl Jam and the disbandment of Soundgarden, marked a decline for grunge that year.[1] At the same time major record labels began signing and promoting bands that were emulating the genre.[2] The term post-grunge was coined to describe these bands, who emulated the attitudes and music of grunge, particularly thick, distorted guitars, but with a more radio-friendly commercially-oriented sound.[1] Often they worked through the major labels and came to incorporate diverse influences from jangle pop, pop punk, ska revival, alternative metal, or hard rock.[1] The term post-grunge was meant to be pejorative, suggesting that they were simply musically derivative, or a cynical response to an "authentic" rock movement.[3]



In 1995, former Nirvana drummer Dave Grohl's new band, the Foo Fighters, helped popularize the genre and define its parameters, becoming one of the most commercially successful rock bands in the US, aided by considerable airplay on MTV.[4] Some post-grunge bands, like Candlebox, were from Seattle, but the sub-genre was marked by a broadening of the geographical base of grunge, with bands like Atlanta, Georgia's Collective Soul, Australia's Silverchair and England's Bush, who all cemented post-grunge as one of the most commercially viable sub-genres by the late 1990s.[1][5] Although male bands predominated, female solo artist Alanis Morissette's 1995 album Jagged Little Pill, labelled as post-grunge, also became a multi-platinum hit.[6] With the first wave of post-grunge bands losing popularity, bands such as Nickelback, Creed and Puddle of Mudd took post-grunge into the 21st century with considerable commercial success, abandoning most of the angst and anger of the original movement for more conventional anthems, narratives and romantic songs. At the start of the 2010s the genre is still active, including new acts Shinedown and Seether. It also gained exposure through American Idol David Cook whose music has been compared to the style.[3][7] While it may be that certain current post-grunge outfits don't have that angst and anger in their music like the bands of post-grunge's first wave and the old grunge guard have, outfits like Breaking Benjamin have retained some of that angst and anger fire in their music.
 

Banned
Joined
Nov 10, 2011
Messages
1,114
Tokens
^<<^

Yes Motley Crue is another excellent example. They sold out on their 3rd album. To VH's credit they held out until album #6. However 1984 is still pretty damn good.

And actually Def Leppard's first three albums were pretty hard. Then on their 4th release the "Pour Some Sugar on Me" era began.

Pour some sugar on me is one of my favorite songs and I'm not even joking. Def Leppard rules. Hysteria, Love Bites, Rocket, Rock of Ages, Bringing on the Heartbreak, list goes on and on when it comes to their great songs. Def Leppard and Van Halen. Nobody beats them.
 

Underground
Joined
Sep 20, 2006
Messages
2,930
Tokens
Many bands produce their best material early before the record companies start getting greedy for the next hit. The quality takes a nose dive. The record companies want releases every so many years.

The record companies have ruined rock music. Now many bands are pre-fabricated by the record companies. There is no way in hell that some of these newer bands worked it thru the ranks and clubs to get where they are.

The Underground music scene is where the talent is at now.
Check out bands like "Lords of Altamont" "The Forty Fives" "Electric Sister" "The Bourbon Saints"

If I see or hear another pre-fabricated band like "All American Rejects" or "Fallout Boy" I am going to puke.
 

Breaking Bad Snob
Joined
Dec 5, 2004
Messages
13,430
Tokens
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-grunge

Post-grunge is a subgenre of alternative rock that emerged in the mid-1990s as a derivative of grunge, using the sounds and aesthetic of grunge, but with a more commercially acceptable tone. This made post-grunge bands like Foo Fighters, Nickelback, Creed and Matchbox Twenty among the most commercially successful rock acts of the late 1990s and early 2000s.

Well that's interesting. I've never heard the term post-grunge before. Still though, a piece of shit band like Nickelback doesn't deserve to be mentioned with such great acts like Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains.
 

New member
Joined
Jun 2, 2006
Messages
29,253
Tokens
I'm very familiar with the term post-grunge, that style is pretty much rejected by hard core fans of Nirvana and Pearl Jam and others, because unlike the grunge pioneers that avoided the mainstream, bands like 3 Doors Down, Match Box 20, Nickleback, catered to the mainstream with a water downed facsimile .

Nickleback is artistically challenged.

I like some of the early 3 Doors Down music, I enjoy raising the volume listening to Kryptonite, but it's rock, you want to argue rock with some grunge overtones, fine, but to say 3 Doors Down is grunge (or even so called post grunge) is like saying Blondie is a rapper for her rap riffs in Rapture, or the Talking Heads is a punk rock band, because of a few new wave songs that featured punk overtones.
(I use the word overtone means partials, or parts of)

I am a gigantic fan of Rob Thomas, (I catch some crap for that) but Rob Thomas is uber-talented. Loved his work with the Latin icon Carlos Santana, Thomas is as good a vocalist as it gets.
He's the front man for Matchbox 20, just because they toured with the great Alanis (who's been lumped in the grunge and post grunge group too) and just because they had a hit CD titled "Exile on Mainstream" that was Thomas paying homage to Mick and the Stones, not some sort of grunge reference.



This is not gunge or post grunge, it's rock.

 

New member
Joined
Aug 12, 2006
Messages
3,331
Tokens
Well that's interesting. I've never heard the term post-grunge before. Still though, a piece of shit band like Nickelback doesn't deserve to be mentioned with such great acts like Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains.

My thoughts exactly. Original Grunge Rock deserves its one little place on the music spectrum.

When Creed came out I wanted to stick an ice pick through my ear drums. Then Creed became so popular the studios actually created Creed knock off bands like Puddle of Mudd and Nickelback. I will admit a couple of Puddle Of Mudd and Nickelback songs actually grew on me but if Creed ever came on the radio or got DJ play I would have to leave the room.

One band that grew on me later in life was Green Day. When they first came out I hated the fact that they were considered a Punk band. Plus Billy Joe had a face that you just wanted to punch. But Green Day paid their dues over time in my book and I actually started to appreciate their sound. I still wont call it Punk though.
 

New member
Joined
Jun 2, 2006
Messages
29,253
Tokens
The only thing I like about Green Day is Billy Joe Armstrong amuses me, like Angus from AC/DC amuses me.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
1,117,950
Messages
13,549,671
Members
100,549
Latest member
apptaixiuonl
The RX is the sports betting industry's leading information portal for bonuses, picks, and sportsbook reviews. Find the best deals offered by a sportsbook in your state and browse our free picks section.FacebookTwitterInstagramContact Usforum@therx.com