Trojan limits been dropped?

[lurkerforages2]

We have only cut off 1 player. We use the same lines. We pay winners. Beards and chasers were the groups that were standing out. I had mentioned before we want nothing to do with them. Everyone regardless was and will be paid in full (including bonus if rollover met).<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

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I think most of you that are here right now probably would have no problem unless your chasing don best, which even then would be negotiable.<o></o>

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Mike

Funny you should mention that because the player who you booted is a very good friend of mine.
I know for a fact that he aint even that sharp a guy, at most a small lifetime winner.
He told me his limits were only 500 all the time.

 

[TopCat]

So you're all line managers now. We booted one player. We pay winners. I also believe pinnacle might be about 1,000X bigger than us. Makes quite the difference.

Mike

 

[TopCat]

Really? He admiringly scalped on every thing possible and somehow bet illegal correlations. Bitch at him when we don't post a total on a high spread game.



WHAT MAKES THIS SUCH A BIG DEAL? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME SAYING WE WOULD DO THIS 1-MONTH AGO AND NOW TAKING ACTION? I DON'T GET IT? DID I LIE AND SAY ALL SHARPS, BEARDS AND SCALPERS WELCOME? NO!



Mike

 

[TopCat]

Equal action? Who are you Jazz? Maybe you've never been middled. We're not afraid of taking sweats. No reason for equal action. To each his own but a couple of sweats a day has worked out quite nicely for us.

Mike

 

[LEYKIS101]

How can you ascertain that someone is definitely scalping and not placing a regular wager? Are you guys sometimes slow to move your #'s and thus take an exceptionally large amount on a side in a short amount of time?

I am no linesmaker, I dont know, just trying to understand how you can label someone a "Scalper".

 

[Ladeda]

Where to start....


Top Cat Mike,

I appreciate your ability to be upfront and straightfoward. On the flip side it seems you are "booking scared" which makes me worry a bit. 20% & -105 is a great deal indeed but don't offer it if you can't afford too. I haven't placed a bet since the weekend. I was thrilled with your books offerings and raved about your book to a friend. An now without placing a bet since or having any dealings with your book since the weekend I'm not nearly as excited about my "new out." It's all because of what I read hear. Now I don't know if my limits will be the same or cut, shouldn't have to worry about that kind of stuff. I'm down 50% of my deposit but I only bet your site whe you offer the best number out of my funded sportsbook accounts.

It's not a good thing to have to even think about getting limits cut of get kicked out. That is specifically why I don't play at a place like Bet365, because all you hear is they don't like winners and cut limits fast.
Now I'm not saying it is the same situation, it's just not good to get a repuation as a book that is scared to take a bet. Try not to seem to paranoid

 

[TopCat]

It's quite easy to pick a guy that scalps for a living. If we had 5,000 players I would take them all. I really honestly would.

Mike

 

[lurkerforages2]

Really? He admiringly scalped on every thing possible and somehow bet illegal correlations. Bitch at him when we don't post a total on a high spread game.



WHAT MAKES THIS SUCH A BIG DEAL? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME SAYING WE WOULD DO THIS 1-MONTH AGO AND NOW TAKING ACTION? I DON'T GET IT? DID I LIE AND SAY ALL SHARPS, BEARDS AND SCALPERS WELCOME? NO!



Mike

So what if he scalped, why do you care as long as you hang a good number.
If you know how to book and your number is good you will make money.

Pinnacle has scalps all the time yet all we see is an increase in limits accross most sports every year.

Obviously I don`t know every bet he made but at 500 limits what are you scared of?
Maybe you are not as solid as you claim if you can`t handle 500 limit players

If I started playing at your book and wanted 10K on a side I am sure you would have a heart attack

 

[TopCat]

Where to start....


Top Cat Mike,

I appreciate your ability to be upfront and straightfoward. On the flip side it seems you are "booking scared" which makes me worry a bit. 20% & -105 is a great deal indeed but don't offer it if you can't afford too. I haven't placed a bet since the weekend. I was thrilled with your books offerings and raved about your book to a friend. An now without placing a bet since or having any dealings with your book since the weekend I'm not nearly as excited about my "new out." It's all because of what I read hear. Now I don't know if my limits will be the same or cut, shouldn't have to worry about that kind of stuff. I'm down 50% of my deposit but I only bet your site whe you offer the best number out of my funded sportsbook accounts.

It's not a good thing to have to even think about getting limits cut of get kicked out. That is specifically why I don't play at a place like Bet365, because all you hear is they don't like winners and cut limits fast.
Now I'm not saying it is the same situation, it's just not good to get a repuation as a book that is scared to take a bet. Try not to seem to paranoid

You have every reason to rave. Maybe I made this sound bigger than it is. You want real numbers? 1 was cut off, 3 people were limited. Now is that so bad? There were limited for very very good reasons.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

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This thread is over a heads up that I started. There are no problems, no non-pays, late pays, pissed customers. Everyone that was limited was fine with it and knew what they were doing.<o></o>

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This is being blown way out of proportion.<o></o>

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[bigbet1234]

Mike, tough crowd here.

I like your book, havent had my limits cut, and enjoy the fast response to emails and nice reloads.

I knew what your rules were before I signed up. To all the posters throwing shit, Mike made is clear as day he would take care of wise guys, scalpers, etc.......so with sign up, you do so knowing this.

If you get cut off, or limited, hell, there are 100's off others to choose from, MOVE ON, DAMN!

At least he is being honest, and doesnt continue to take business he doesnt want. He as a optioin to take what action he wants, just as u have where to place your bets.

One thing is for sure, if you are booted, at least you will be paid.

BB

 

[TopCat]

I alraedy stated if we took pinnacles volume we would accept scalpers too. After a couple weeks of monitoring we can take a 10k bet. Do you all forget we've been here for 25 years take bets much bigger? Picking out beards years ago?

Mike

 

[Ladeda]

Yeah, starting this tread was probably a bad idea. If you cut someone off they probably either .....

A) Know why! In that case they will go away and there will be no problem

or

B) be upset about it and post here. In which case you can respond in kind and explain why.

I can understadn trying to be proactive and post about the possibility before a complaint arises but with this topic it would probably be better to keep things on the down low.

Winners or course will not like the idea. And even worse losers who are generally pissed about losing sure don't want to hear bookies problems!

 

[MillenniumSportsbook]

Wrong answer. We pay winners and we let some wise guys bet early. We do pay, we are fair, and we’ve been around the block a few times.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

I told everyone when we opened this site, we did not want the beards, scalpers, playing middles etc. betting here. No fine print. I even told people on the phone if you're a professional you might not want to play here. We are simply talking to and limiting people that we told before we didn’t want that kind of action.<o></o>

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Don't like that or you play moves, chase, scalp or are a beard play somewhere else.<o></o>

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We offer a 20% bonus with -105 lines. Do we need people like that? Of course not, we're exposed as it is and are doing better than anticipated. For a recreational bettor to get 20% and lay –105 this is a great book.<o></o>

Mike<o></o>

Guess you haven't been around the block or you would know that square recreational players ARE NOT particulary looking for -105 juice. Reduced juice is catering to the scalpers, middlers, and sharps. You need a ton of volume, and a very smart handicapper(Simon Noble etc.)/ boardman to even stiff success.
As the cigar has been quoted as saying quite often, " I haven't met a bet at -110 that I have ever turned down."

 

[primetime21+]

I dont understand the problem. If you choose to you use them and they cut you off, how does that harm you? Unless no other book takes your action, its not a big deal.

If they werent paying out on bets, that is a different situation.

Topcat, i dont think its a good idea to respond to everyone's posts. SOme people find this entertaining to rip a book and you are only bringing yourself down to their level. If people don't like it, they are free to use a different book. Until i have a problem with your site, i will continute to play there. good lines at good prices is what i like.

good luck

 

[peteep]

I'm shocked at peoples reaction. One guy got his limits cut.

A book is offering reduiced juice and a big bonus. They are new to postup, don't have a huge client base yet and are being careful. Many books have gone under for being too liberal. This is a good thing IMO. Once they have a bigger # of players, they can be more flexible. It's bullshit to say "if you know how to book blah blah blah" in this instance. It's a volume game.

 

[ClipJoint]

You come to a sharp crowd (TheRX is known for guys that do this for a living) and offer reduced juice...then you say you only want squares???

Who is the marketing genius that paid to advertise here?

 

[primetime21+]

They didnt say they don't want knowledgeable players. THey are talking about scalpers, middlers or big time players. Just because a few of you fit that category doesnt mean the rest of us do. SOme people play for fun at 100-500 per play and will probably never have a problem. They are open about their policies and get killed for it. Doesnt make much sense to me.

Again, is this is the only sportsbook in the world? If you dont like, you shouldnt play there. FOr me, 20 percent bonus and reduced juice is great.

 

[TopCat]

I think they all want to test my patience. Maybe a few got robbed this morning or shop in the leg. I said what I have to say. I did what I said I would do. You all have a choic to play where you want and I wish you all the best of luck. Trojan is a great book and many will tell you the same thing.

I wish everyone the best and we will continue to offer our service to those who like betting -105 with generous bonuses. We will be here forever.

Unless you have a plan to crush a book from a pro as a beard or in any other way. You will not be cut off for being on a hot streak, better yet, you will be paid. We're just as good if not better a post up book now than we were yesterday.
Mike

 

[Christian]

the same marketing genius who had their web designers keep their site from even mentioning where they're located (among a million other questions left unanswered)! unless, it's up to us to actually look up the country code on the phone number you have listed to try to figure out where you guys are....

yeah, i don't have better things to do with my time....let me pull up att.com and look up that number to try to figure out what banana republic i'm dealing with.

 

[lurkerforages2]

I'm shocked at peoples reaction. One guy got his limits cut.

A book is offering reduiced juice and a big bonus. They are new to postup, don't have a huge client base yet and are being careful. Many books have gone under for being too liberal. This is a good thing IMO. Once they have a bigger # of players, they can be more flexible. It's bullshit to say "if you know how to book blah blah blah" in this instance. It's a volume game.

No, it looks like 3 got their limits cut and 1 got booted.

As I said I know the guy who got booted and he never had his limits cut as his limits were never more than 500 a bet.
What kind of hard core pro makes 500 bets. If he is scalping or middling he is making literally a few cents a play.