Racism among College Football Coaches

[chick'sfridge]

Yada-yada-yada:

And the beat goes on........

Certain politicians have one mission; to stoke the fire. They don't always represent the feeling of the constituency. Does Bush represent the feelings of every american citizen? Of course not, but he is heard loud and clear, because of his position.
The "created ire" that has been raised over DeBerry's and Paterno's truthful comments, enables these spokesmen to create a forum. If Deberry and JoePa had just mentioned fast, athletic, players without reference to race, these very same politicians would be saying "See, they are not giving the black man his due respect". They play the card, no matter what is stated. I re-emphasize this is a select few, attempting to speak for the majority ( who don't actually feel this way)
If a black man says "hmm, white man is slow". No problem!
If a white man says "hmm, blackman is fast" We have a problem!

 

[LivingOffGamblingMoney]

It's not even just race it's the whole college football world. Rick Maese of the Orlando Senitel has an intriguing piece on how Division I college football players who commit serious crimes are often afforded "second chances" that members of the general student population do not enjoy.In doing so, Maese details the frequency at which top college football programs feature ex-cons, including those who have been convicted of violent crimes like involuntary manslaughter, felony assault, and armed robbery. (Afro-Americans) He then compares college football players who commit felonies and are not expelled with non athlete students at the same schools who commit misdemeanors but are expelled. This pattern of inconsistent treatment is not surprising, notes Maese, since athletes are granted "special leniency" during the college admissions process, and that "special leniency" remains with them so long as they are premiere athletes.

 

[go2guy]

It's not even just race it's the whole college football world. Rick Maese of the Orlando Senitel has an intriguing piece on how Division I college football players who commit serious crimes are often afforded "second chances" that members of the general student population do not enjoy.In doing so, Maese details the frequency at which top college football programs feature ex-cons, including those who have been convicted of violent crimes like involuntary manslaughter, felony assault, and armed robbery. (Afro-Americans) He then compares college football players who commit felonies and are not expelled with non athlete students at the same schools who commit misdemeanors but are expelled. This pattern of inconsistent treatment is not surprising, notes Maese, since athletes are granted "special leniency" during the college admissions process, and that "special leniency" remains with them so long as they are premiere athletes.

Truth in your post. Seems like athletes and entertainers in general get a pass more so than anyone who isn't. Like there's a built in sympathy cell in judges brain when they come before them.

 

[ace0927]

Next time you hear someone say that racism no longer exists in America, just direct them to these benighted comments made by two prominent college football coaches:

"The black athlete has made a big difference. They have changed the whole tempo of the game. Black athletes have just done a great job as athletes and as people in turning the game around." Joe Paterno, Penn State Coach​

Then there is this beauty:

"Texas Christian University had a lot more Afro-American players than we did and they ran a lot faster than we did. Afro-American kids can run very well. That doesn't mean that Caucasian kids and other descents can't run, but it's very obvious to me that they run extremely well." Fisher DeBerry, Air Force Head Coach, (after loss TCU)


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You would hope that these comments were made in 1955 instead of 2005, but they weren't. And you would hope that they were made by socially irrelevant persons instead of high profile, supposedly father figure types for parents to send their 18 year old sons to learn from, but they weren't.


These comments illuminate the broader notion that the college game is anything but the romanticized image often portrayed in film and by those who have financial stakes in seeing players not enter pro leagues. There is racism at the highest of levels. There is a glaring absence of positive social norms. In other words, 18 year olds who seek the NBA or NFL may not be doing so merely for monetary reasons. Maybe their parents don't want them to play for coaches who talk about "the black athlete." And maybe their parents don't want them to watch juniors and seniors on the team break the law and suffer no consequence.

Give me a break. Racism is a problem in this country because of clowns like you...Making a stink out of absolutely nothing...When someone compliments me I dont go off and say how dare you...JoPa statement is a COMPLIMENT...Not a racial slur...WAKE UP!

 

[ace0927]

how can these coaches be rasict if 80% of their players are black. that just doesn't make sence. And It is a fact that overall black athletes are better athletes. Is there even 1 single white running back in the NFL. I would guess that at least 80% of the key position players are black. QB, RB, WR, DB's, LB's. And blacks make up what like 15% of the U.S. population. They are better athletes than we are, so what. Who cares it's the truth. Hey I know I can't dance, so you know what I do. I stay my white ass off the dance floor. Obvioulsy there are some exceptions to the rule, but overall it's a fact.
People always say you shouldn't put steriotypes on people but do you know why they were put there to begin with, because overall they are true. White's can't dance, and blacks are better athletes deal with it.

Dont include QB's on your list. No offense should be taken here, but as obvious as it is that Black athletes run faster than white athletes and are stronger han white athletes, it is just as obvious that white QB's are better and more equipt players than black QB's...PLEASE refrain from any Michael Vick comments, if I recall correctly the last time he connected with a WR on a pass play he was in grade school.

 

[edub69]

Dont include QB's on your list. No offense should be taken here, but as obvious as it is that Black athletes run faster than white athletes and are stronger han white athletes, it is just as obvious that white QB's are better and more equipt players than black QB's...PLEASE refrain from any Michael Vick comments, if I recall correctly the last time he connected with a WR on a pass play he was in grade school.

Yesterday's stat line:

<TABLE class=yspwhitebg cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=yspsctbg><TD class=ysptblhdr width="28%" height=18>Passing</TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD></TR><TR class=ysptblthbody1 align=right><TD class=yspdetailttl align=left height=18>Atlanta</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Comp</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Att</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Yds</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Pct</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Y/A</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Sack</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>YdsL</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>TD</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Int </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left>M. Vick</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>228</TD><TD>71.0</TD><TD>7.4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



And his top target was WHITE wide receiver Brian Finneran, with eight grabs for 92 yards and a TD.

 

[primetime21+]

Yesterday's stat line:

<TABLE class=yspwhitebg cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=yspsctbg><TD class=ysptblhdr width="28%" height=18>Passing</TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD><TD width="8%"></TD></TR><TR class=ysptblthbody1 align=right><TD class=yspdetailttl align=left height=18>Atlanta</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Comp</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Att</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Yds</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Pct</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Y/A</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Sack</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>YdsL</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>TD</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>Int </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left>M. Vick</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>228</TD><TD>71.0</TD><TD>7.4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



And his top target was WHITE wide receiver Brian Finneran, with eight grabs for 92 yards and a TD.

LOL, the guy hadnt come to close to 200 yards passing in one game this season and now he is peyton manning?

Please tell me that you don't think he is one of the top passing QBs in the league! He is a good QB because of legs and athletic ability. If he tore his ACL and could run anymore i am pretty sure he would be on the NFL scrap heap.

There will be great black QB's and there will be great white WR's. But when you start throwing out names like finneran to prove your point, you look a little foolish.

 

[edub69]

Obviously most good WR's are black, no one disputes that. But you said the last time Vick connected on a pass with a WR it was in grade school, so I pointed out that he hooked up 8 times yesterday with an extremely mediocre wide receiver, while completing 71% of his passes. As if it's Michael Vick's fault that management's answer to their lack of WRs was to bring in a stiff like Peerless Price last year. This year he has Finneran, Jenkins, and White. I wonder if he'd be better if he had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Brandon Stokley.

:smoker2:

 

[primetime21+]

It's not even just race it's the whole college football world. Rick Maese of the Orlando Senitel has an intriguing piece on how Division I college football players who commit serious crimes are often afforded "second chances" that members of the general student population do not enjoy.In doing so, Maese details the frequency at which top college football programs feature ex-cons, including those who have been convicted of violent crimes like involuntary manslaughter, felony assault, and armed robbery. (Afro-Americans) He then compares college football players who commit felonies and are not expelled with non athlete students at the same schools who commit misdemeanors but are expelled. This pattern of inconsistent treatment is not surprising, notes Maese, since athletes are granted "special leniency" during the college admissions process, and that "special leniency" remains with them so long as they are premiere athletes.

instead of regurgitating other peoples work, tell us exactly what you think. Do you think paterno and deberry are racist. Because your original post clearly infers that.

And your above statement leads me to think that colleges go out of their for young black students who normally wouldnt be given a chance at college because of a checkered background. Seems to be what you are now saying is in complete contradiction to your original post.

yes yes, we all know that colleges use these kids. they use white and black troubled students all the time. But the troubled kids also use the schools for an education and a shot at the pros.

its like when a hot chick is dating a rich older guy. The chick is using the old guy for a his money and the rich guy is using the hot chick for sex. Its the way the world works.

 

[TTinCO]

not sure what tree your trying to bark up. Paternos statement is nothing but complimentary and DeBerrys statement isnt offensive, its just a truth.

Exactly!!.....IT"S THE TRUTH!!!!!

 

[stolidog]

Similar situation

I was the only white guy on my HS basketball team (in Baltimore County) for my jr. and sr. years. My coach used to throw stuff at me (chairs, shoes etc...) during practice to make his points. I was pretty confused since most of the time, I wasn't screwing up but yet he took it out on me.

He explained to me (only after I graduated) that he was 'afraid to throw stuff at the black players' so I shouldn't take it personally but he needed to make his point without 'offending the black guys'. I probably wasn't as tuned into the true meaning of racism in HS but I know now my coach was a racist.

I was a solid 10 point 10 rb a game role player on a championship caliber team. I remember vividly going back to him about 5 years after I graduated and telling him to grow up.

 

[chick'sfridge]

Stoli:

Off the subject of racism a bit. 10 pts & 10 rebs is not a role player! Sometimes coaches criticize guys, who can handle it. Some coaches hassle tougher guys, who won't respond negatively. Making an example of the best player (Knight style) and cutting him no slack, sends a message to everybody else. Ask Steve Alford. It ultimately raises the team's level at practice & games! As far as the racism, thats your call.

 

[stolidog]

The coach definitely knew I had the thick skin to handle the criticism but I never did appreciate his explanation.

I know the majority group of the 12 of us were friends long after HS BB and they shared some other stories about the coaches racist actions.

(and Blue - even though I could dunk, I had nothing on the jumping abilities of the rest of my team, like you said - just a fact)