Please Help: Wagerstreet Problem

[Orangemen]

Ok everyone seems to be hung up on the fact that i thought i might have entered incorrect account info, but that was not the case here i was wrong everything i entered was correct. I posted that so everyone could get the true story and not a bias one that would favor me. I wanted everyone to know the situation from day one as i am not trying to sit here and make bob and wagerstreet look bad as i understand bob's reasons and thats why i posted them. I didnt leave anything out. I'm sorry my first post did not mention that stopped payment on one my echecks in another account. What was interesting is bob came out here twisting the story making it seem like i had a history of bouncing checks and posting my conversation which proves nothing different then what i had told all of you already.

If i went and made the same deposit today it would be rejected again for the exact same reason, that these do not post to your account as checks. If anyone has done this through them call your bank and ask them if your transaction was a check and they will say no. Thats the problem i have is that my bank does not allow those kind of transactions to go through. My problem is that it was not my mistake nor wagerstreets mistake it is the way their check company post the transaction. I just wish bob would take a minute to see if i am telling the truth and verify with his check processor that this is the case, but ofcourse not because he has a reason not to pay me this way.

Listen I have no problem if someone can take all the proof and consult with my bank and his check processor and that this was not returned because of funds but due to a reason that was out of my control and i should get a chance to prove that. If the person can not prove what i am saying then fine i shut up and move on, but i can assure you if bob contacted his check processor(or my bank) they would be able to tell him the difference between an automated debit and a check.

Also I have a question why is bob so stuck up on if there was money in my account on sunday. Should that make a difference. I choose to do my banking as i wish, if i choose to write a check from my account my balance should only be a concern to him when the check post and not prior. Bob can not pick and choose who he thinks is a scammer. Unfortunantly as i stated before by allowing instant echecks he understood the risk that people would do them and only deposit money once they win and if they lose they dont, but like i said thats for him to speculate on every account that wins. Would they have paid? See my problem is that this was not my first echeck like i said i had made $1500 worth of them and honered them on losing wagers(I never won a penny from them) but now that i win on one he thinks i had no intentions of paying them this one time. Come on bob why would i lose $1500 prior and pay but this one time was the one i decide not to. I'm sorry yes i did bounce one check for 100 which i explained why in a earlier post.

Does anyone see my point? If this was the first time i made deposit then yes i would say hmmmm. but the 13th(and maybe well over 1000 deposits lifetime with them) one to all of a sudden think i am scamming. Please bob you know i have been honest with you and you are not even giving me a chance to prove to you that it wasnt my mistake. Listen not 1 of the 13 echeck i wrote had funds in the account when i wrote them. I ALLWAYS tranfser the funds after i place the deposit. As i am sure a lot of you would not leave your checking account funded very well when you are giving out your checking account number online all the time.

Thats it bob you are trying to weasel your way out of paying a wager. For all i know you just cancelled my deposit all together and told me it didnt go through because my bank doesnt even have record of any activity on the account all just because i called you worried that i might have typed in the wrong account number or invalid account and wanted to know what would happen if that was the case and i clearly explained to you at the time that i didnt know if that was the case until my bank opened on tuesday and it wasnt i entered all the correct info.

How many of you think if i lost the wager and the same thing happened bob would fix his banking problem and try again.

Bob i hope somewhere down there you have a heart and give me the benefit of the doubt and work with me to prove where the error lies as i think that is the right thing to do for someone who has played with you for 5 years honestly.

Be warned everyone these echecks are dangerous what prevents a book from cancelling your echeck if you win and then saying sorry it did not go through.

I apologize to everyone that is not interested in this thread and my lenthy replies for annoying you with this.

 

[nets2k2]

Unfortunate situation this is. Personally if it was my book and if this guy was really my customer for 5 years I would give him the benefit of the doubt. 5 years is quite a long time to be playing at one book. Not saying a customer of 5 years wouldnt ever try to scam you, I just dont think its all that likely when this looks like it is just a one time problem. I think the Spiros of the world would give the guy his winnings if he was playing with them, but I dont think Wagerstrreet will. If you were a brand new customer and this happened to me, I would be less likely to believe you, but I would check up with the check processing company and give you that much of my time at least.

AK5387 I believe your story, but I think it is highly unlikely a book like Wagerstreet will part with 5k.

Goodluck.

 

[Orangemen]

Hello everyone i would like to give an update as to my situation.

I got in touch with DebitVault the company that processes the checks for wagerstreet. They have no record of a check even trying to post to my account. All their records show was my first transaction getting declined due to invalid DL# which i corrected and resubmitted and it went through(the approved one is not on there system) there is nothing there that says my check was returned due to invalid account number. DebitVault further stated that is impossible since they never even processed any transaction going to my bank account. Whats amazing is that from sunday the 14th till yesterday when i called wagerstreet they said my check was still pending clearence. When bob got back yesterday he said they got notification that day it was returned due to invalid account number. Now debitvault is saying that is impossible since they never even sent them a message stating that or were they processing anything for me.

So i warn everyone that bob has lied through this he is calling me a scammer because for a brief minute i thought i entered the wrong account number which i didn't when he has decieved me. I dont know what he did as i am still getting to the bottom of this but from what it looks like right now he stops that check from even having a chance to clear. If bob can do this for someone who has played with him for 5 years and has had many friendly conversations with god only knows what he would do to someone who wins that he doesnt know.

I can provide all the proof in this world that this wasn't my error to anyone of the moderators here bob has flat decided not to pay me. This should be unacceptable and i really need everyones help to stop bob from doing this. Bob needs to provide proof to us that what he is saying is true and where he is getting the info from as he has told me nothing correct. Does anyone think i am wrong here?

 

[maxdemo]

Do you usually play $300 - 6 team parlays??

Wow thats some balls.

 

[Chadster]

I gotta side with BOB

 

[Orangemen]

I would say over the past 5 years $300 would actually be on the lower side for my parlays i have always played parlays for that much and even more so i never even bet the 10% bonus in my account because i dont like playing with bonus money. Why would a scammer leave his bonus money?

Here is an example of money of the parlays i play so you all can see a 300 parlay is not out of the norm for me.
Mon, 9/22/03 4:39 PM Parlay Wager: 5 teams
Risk: 200.00 Pays: 4292.76 Status: LOSE ($200.00)

Mon, 9/22/03 9:24 PM Parlay Wager: 3 teams
Risk: 200.00 Pays: 552.52 Status: LOSE ($200.00

Date Time Description Amount

Sat, 9/27/03 12:22 PM Parlay Wager: 5 teams
Risk: 263.82 Pays: 1642.31 Status: LOSE ($263.82)

Sat, 9/27/03 3:18 PM Parlay Wager: 4 teams
Risk: 100.00 Pays: 588.03 Status: LOSE ($100.00)

Sat, 9/27/03 6:13 PM Parlay Wager: 3 teams
Risk: 100.00 Pays: 404.56 Status: LOSE ($100.00)

 

[Orangemen]

Jay can i ask why you would side with bob?

 

[GreenDoberman]

Why should they pay you if your account was not funded?

That's the bottom line?

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

Wagerstreet does not advertise here AND I have personally had a couple of beef with how he does things but he is 100% correct in this. I went into a dispute once concerning these checks and if memory serves me correctly the plays are taken however it is under the belief the information provided is correct. Not only did he have more than one account and enter incorrect account numbers he HAD NO MONEY IN THERE TO BEGIN WITH. Sorry AK but that will not fly sir, Bob is absolutely justified in my opinion.

If you want to provide this information to General that's fine, I have too many legit cases to waste time on this one. Sorry.

 

[Orangemen]

The problem here is bob cancelled the check so my account would not get funded. No one seems to understand that I have overdraft protection. For anyone that doesn't know it is a line of credit on your bank account so checks do not bounce. He still gets his money from overdraft but i get charged interest from my bank for borrowing money from them.

The key here is the check was NEVER processed so how can bob even say there was no funds or that i was trying to scam him if he never even processed the check.

 

[Orangemen]

Patrick ok like i am trying to state i had permission from duey to have 2 accounts and second duey on sunday the day of the wager had told me it was no problem that i had 2 accounts. Second I DID NOT GIVE AN INCORRECT ACCOUNT NUMBER.

 

[Chadster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ak5387:
Jay can i ask why you would side with bob?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


what doberman said

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Why should they pay you if your account was not funded?

That's the bottom line? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

 

[Orangemen]

what account?

 

[codeworks]

Alan

Is this another scam ?

 

[skirmish]

AK.

This is real simple at the time of placing the wager your check had NOT cleared ( for whatever reason ).
NO funds NO wager that is the way it works period .

 

[Orangemen]

Ok so basically from what everyone is saying it is ok for a sportsbook to give you instant credits from echecks until they clear but in the mean time if you win they cancel the check and say sorry it did not go through. Because that is what wagerstreet has done here.

 

[codeworks]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ak5387:
Ok so basically from what everyone is saying it is ok for a sportsbook to give you instant credits from echecks until they clear but in the mean time if you win they cancel the check and say sorry it did not go through. Because that is what wagerstreet has done here.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

YES

 

[Orangemen]

for everyone that seems to be struggling understanding the concept of Overdraft protection. Here is what wachovia says on there website

"Overdraft Protection
Helps you avoid returned check fee headaches

How does overdraft protection work?
If a check is presented that is greater than the balance in your checking account, we'll automatically transfer funds from another account to cover the check. You can designate your

Savings account,
Other checking account, and/or
Ready Credit line-of-credit
to protect your checking account from overdrafts."


So once again it is not bobs business how I choose to gamble with my funds his check would clear but to cancel the check because he believes you are lying is insane. You think he would have canceled the check if I lost. NEVER

 

[Orangemen]

Since everyone thinks bob is such a great guy.

BOB post here the proof that my check bounced. Show everyone how you are telling the truth. Give us the transaction number. Give us something because bob everyone is going to find out you are lying cheat. You dont have a transaction number with debitvault because you never put the check through. Cause I will give anyone the number for debit vault and you can see from them. They flat out told me it looks like you are getting screwed.

Come on bob prove to everyone what a pathetic scumbag your are. How quickly you can backstab someone. Because Bob I will prove to everyone here you lied to keep your money and you will look pathetic. Tell everyone the date this second account was opened. It wasn't opened the same day as you are implying. Tell everyone how I called and told you that i was going to bounce the 100 check in advance because i didnt want any extra money in their. PROVE TO EVERYONE I GAVE YOU AN INVALID ACCOUNT NUMBER.

You are a piece of sh*t bob i hope you rot in hell. I hope you enjoy ripping people off. I will make a bet bob comes back with no proof.

 

[Chadster]

go away flea