How can EverFresh deny that there are hot streaks. The math says that over time things will even out and you are -EV - there are still times when players can win 10 hands in a row. No one is saying you can predict it or make it happen in anyway, but sometimes you do happen to get more winning hands than losing hands.
Side note - I was playing in AC a couple of months ago and didn't follow the book and 2 people @ the table got mad at me for it and started acting like real dicks. I told them - If you don't want to play with people like me - don't play at a $10 table. They eventually lost more money and left very pissed off at me.
Side note - I was playing in AC a couple of months ago and didn't follow the book and 2 people @ the table got mad at me for it and started acting like real dicks. I told them - If you don't want to play with people like me - don't play at a $10 table. They eventually lost more money and left very pissed off at me.
Very well said.
The other two guys today (Ever and "Whoever") say there are NO STREAKS. Blind or ignorant. Or both.
I am not denying their beloved math. It will all add up if they live to be 250 years old. The other guy says he plays 2000 hours a year. Highly unlikely. Not to question his hours..... but if he plays that much he would have to understand the steaks in shoes. All dealers, pit employees and, most importantly, players all know.
Thanks for all the entertainment guys. I am gonna try my best to stay out of your math conversations going forward. A few of you feel secure believing in your sacred math outcomes. Yet you still play the game. The one guy claims to play over 2000 hours a year. If the math just absolutely held up hand after hand (let's assume only a 2% house edge) you would ALWAYS win 49 out of every 100 hands. ALWAYS. So gradually, systematically, you would ALWAYS lose your ass. EVERY time you sit down. You see the only way you win in short sittings is because of short little streaks in the cards. Nobody is saying the math does not always work out over THE LONG RUN. (millions of hands). It is a guaranteed fact.
Let's look at it this way...... If the casino advantage was 2% (conservative... this assumes everyone can play reasonably good basic strategy)..... Then the casino would keep 2% of all the money people bought in for. Many of you probably know that the "hold" on a blackjack table is over 10 X that much. That is because of at least two reasons....... 1) People DO NOT understand basic strategy, and 2) Human nature runs absolutely the opposite of best results in blackjack. By that I mean that average players want to press (increase) their size of bet when they are losing ("This shitty run cannot continue, they think'), and average payers get conservative (afraid) when they are winning. ("There is no way this positive streak can continue, they think")
What you should be trying to do is avoid these false expectations of human nature.
Some "math head little child" will now say...... "Hey Pack.... What if I am counting"? Two things (Sorry to rain on your parade)
1) People who claim to be counters can't be playing for much money, or with much of a spread, or they would have already been barred. Casinos don't take kindly to us being smart enough to cut down on their advantage.
2) Ever notice that in a shoe game they cut off over two decks worth of cards at the back of every shoe. That means that as much as over a third of the cards will not be dealt and you can't see them or count them. So knowing the count of the rest (60+) of the cards in play is how valuable? Also..... You can't count too much of an advantage in a single or double deck game without getting barred.
The guy (might have been Motor City) who said he played 2000+ hands per year? If the math held up exactly EVERY shoe.... he would have gone broke several times over by now. He has to be working at overcoming these weaknesses in human nature and does not even know it.
Now "Ever' will say....... "There is no human nature.... there is no luck…… there are no streaks...... there is only math. Bullshit. Say Hi! to Yoda when you get as old as he is. By then the math will begin to catch up.
Let's look at it this way...... If the casino advantage was 2% (conservative... this assumes everyone can play reasonably good basic strategy)..... Then the casino would keep 2% of all the money people bought in for. Many of you probably know that the "hold" on a blackjack table is over 10 X that much. That is because of at least two reasons....... 1) People DO NOT understand basic strategy, and 2) Human nature runs absolutely the opposite of best results in blackjack. By that I mean that average players want to press (increase) their size of bet when they are losing ("This shitty run cannot continue, they think'), and average payers get conservative (afraid) when they are winning. ("There is no way this positive streak can continue, they think")
What you should be trying to do is avoid these false expectations of human nature.
Some "math head little child" will now say...... "Hey Pack.... What if I am counting"? Two things (Sorry to rain on your parade)
1) People who claim to be counters can't be playing for much money, or with much of a spread, or they would have already been barred. Casinos don't take kindly to us being smart enough to cut down on their advantage.
2) Ever notice that in a shoe game they cut off over two decks worth of cards at the back of every shoe. That means that as much as over a third of the cards will not be dealt and you can't see them or count them. So knowing the count of the rest (60+) of the cards in play is how valuable? Also..... You can't count too much of an advantage in a single or double deck game without getting barred.
The guy (might have been Motor City) who said he played 2000+ hands per year? If the math held up exactly EVERY shoe.... he would have gone broke several times over by now. He has to be working at overcoming these weaknesses in human nature and does not even know it.
Now "Ever' will say....... "There is no human nature.... there is no luck…… there are no streaks...... there is only math. Bullshit. Say Hi! to Yoda when you get as old as he is. By then the math will begin to catch up.
Lastly, a really good example of how blackjack REALLY works.
Some of you may recognize the name of Australian media tycoon Kerry Packer. He was one of the very wealthiest people in the world. One of his holdings was ownership of casinos in Australia, his home land. I say “was” because he is deceased since December 2005. I explain that so you know Vegas casinos (and worldwide) did not fear him because he was an electronic robot who would sit at a blackjack table for a hundred years. They feared him and strictly limited his action because he fully understood casino gambling and had more personal wealth that Casino Corporations had in assets. He would sit and play…. And if he fell behind……. When table conditions turned in his advantage (streaks)…… he was never fearful and would “send it in” and was known to cripple corporations on their entire quarterly financial statement. By not fearful I mean he would play multiple hands, as many as allowed, for the max the casino would allow. He was not “just” counting…. Or they would never have taken any of his action to start with. You can bet your ass on that.
Some of you kids probably know more than Mr. Packer ever did.
Some of you may recognize the name of Australian media tycoon Kerry Packer. He was one of the very wealthiest people in the world. One of his holdings was ownership of casinos in Australia, his home land. I say “was” because he is deceased since December 2005. I explain that so you know Vegas casinos (and worldwide) did not fear him because he was an electronic robot who would sit at a blackjack table for a hundred years. They feared him and strictly limited his action because he fully understood casino gambling and had more personal wealth that Casino Corporations had in assets. He would sit and play…. And if he fell behind……. When table conditions turned in his advantage (streaks)…… he was never fearful and would “send it in” and was known to cripple corporations on their entire quarterly financial statement. By not fearful I mean he would play multiple hands, as many as allowed, for the max the casino would allow. He was not “just” counting…. Or they would never have taken any of his action to start with. You can bet your ass on that.
Some of you kids probably know more than Mr. Packer ever did.
Good example of why I am out on these types of threads going forward.
Not worth my time and effort to post long, valid info from lifetime experience to try to help some of you guys.
People feel threatened when a discussion might indicate that they have never been a real player.
Some would rather talk about breakfast meats or other shopping options.... than real life gambling information.
Not worth my time and effort to post long, valid info from lifetime experience to try to help some of you guys.
People feel threatened when a discussion might indicate that they have never been a real player.
Some would rather talk about breakfast meats or other shopping options.... than real life gambling information.
You have to be one of the most ill informed person when it comes to playing casino games. It does not matter what anyone would point out to you. (1) Counters can spread as long as you don't get to greedy. Also depending on how big the casino is. (2) Almost all the games I play have a 1 1/4 deck or less cut off. I do play 2000 hours per year and have NEVER went broke. I have made money every year expect one. You don't even know what the casino advantage is if you are counting cards do you. You don't even know the standard house advantage for a 6 shoe against a basic strategy player do you ? I know you don't ! Do you know that a counter has a advantage ? If that player has a advantage of 1 3/4% how much would he win over 2000 hours ? Do you even know how to figure the math. It takes into account the number of hands play per hour. Take into account money bet. Rules of the game you are playing. But then you would not know how to tell a good game from a bad game. I see people like you all the time in the casino. That's why the casino let's people like me play. We are less then 1% who can make money at playing BJ in the casino. On the other they welcome you with open arms. Keep on looking for those lucky tables.
Interesting. I do apologize.... I should have said "one of the things you should be trying to do....."
One word to pick on and you searched and found it. The rest of the post is balls-on accurate, but makes it people uncomfortable.
The post #32 about Kerry Packer is balls-on accurate, supported by documented multimillions of dollars worth of action..... and will be completely ignored. It's uncomfortable. Not worth time to post that, as I said. What's true for Kerry Packer is true for everyone. Only on a very small basis.
Out. Carry on. Oh..... Don’t a few of us long for the days when real adults who really were players posted on here?
One word to pick on and you searched and found it. The rest of the post is balls-on accurate, but makes it people uncomfortable.
The post #32 about Kerry Packer is balls-on accurate, supported by documented multimillions of dollars worth of action..... and will be completely ignored. It's uncomfortable. Not worth time to post that, as I said. What's true for Kerry Packer is true for everyone. Only on a very small basis.
Out. Carry on. Oh..... Don’t a few of us long for the days when real adults who really were players posted on here?
Motor..... Thanks for the kind personal asessment. Now …….since you want to be more aggressive.
You Sir are full of shit. If you were an experienced counter and any threat at all to the casino bottom line (based on ability or SIZE of action) you would be flushed out of there long ago. Casinos don't just give away the advantage to you because they are beating the other dunces.
You will of course deny this. You have gone to great length to establish that you are an expert, card counting, assassin of casino profits.
Have a good one.
You Sir are full of shit. If you were an experienced counter and any threat at all to the casino bottom line (based on ability or SIZE of action) you would be flushed out of there long ago. Casinos don't just give away the advantage to you because they are beating the other dunces.
You will of course deny this. You have gone to great length to establish that you are an expert, card counting, assassin of casino profits.
Have a good one.
