Pinnacle lovers=suckers.

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Aug 31, 2004

Speaking of Pinnacle, look at this exciting prop.

It is my old pal Fezzik.
Wager Type: Proposition/Future

Selection 1 : 2004 Stardust Invitational Handicapping Contest Odds to Win the Contest Odds to Win (All Handicappers are Action) 3) Steve Fezzik +777 Risking 5.00 to Win 38.85 USD

I wish I could have bet less, because I can be cynical at times. But 5$ should provide some entertainment...If 52.4% wins it I think Fezzik has a shot. What is the criteria for getting invited? How many of the invitees, put up entry fee at Hilton? I guess it is like NIT to NCAA. Mainly for the second tier cappers. Forget these exclusive invitationals. Come one, come all. Put your money up. That is America at its finest. Pinnacle Sucker for Life...OF

D2bets · Aug 31, 2004

2+ years at Pinny and I've won more there than anywhere else and, of course, I only bet into them when they are the best.

I'd ut it this way...if you don't play at Pinny, you are not sharp. Simple as that.

krackman · Aug 31, 2004

Iron- Don't smarten anyone up because it doesn't pay. I get caught up in this myself from time to time and then wont post for months.

I myself place about one bet a month at Pinnacle if that means anything to you (-;

NICKYTHEFISH · Aug 31, 2004

Successful bettors were around before Pinnacle and they will be around after also.Enough of the weekly blow job for this shop.

Guest · Aug 31, 2004

They're sharp, we're sharp, he's sharp, she's sharp...we forgot Iron Mike Sharpe.

Is Pinny a tough book to beat? I would rather ask am I getting the most return for my money when I bet at Pinny vs the other books in my arsenal. If they do lay up a 9u30 and another book I have funds at has 9u20 on the same game and I want the under well of course I'm going to play the better number.

I don't look at it as me vs Pinny....I look at it as me vs the number. If they have the number that gives me the most bang for my buck I play there. If not...I play the book where my payoff is the best.

Just my opinion Iron.

sb

wantitall4moi · Aug 31, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by ironlock:
Wantit-
To disagree with my BASIC and CLEARLY stated point, you would have to agree that PInnacle is the easiest book to beat.

You are fuking moron if this is what you believe.

If you DO NOT believe this, then shut the fuk up...and stop acting like I'm saying anything else but that PINNACLE'S numbers are the sharpest numbers out there...and they are the toughest book to beat for someone that likes the best number.

Name a book that is tougher to beat than Pinnacle..paaaaaaahhhlleeeese.

Crickets chirping.

Exactly.

Did I say no sharps play there? NO
Did I say all their action is sharp? NO
Did I say that for a book to be sharp all the players had to be losers? NO
Did I say that scalpers cannot effectively use PINNY? NO
Did I say that this is a shitty book? NO
Did I say that pinnacle does not offer Value? NO
Did I say they are trying to "trick us"? NO
Did I say that no one can beat them? NO
Did I say that that gamble on all sides? NO
Did I say that all their shaded lines win? NO
Did I say that you could blindly follow their lead and win? NO
Did I say that if you bet there and bet the best number you would never win? NO
Did It even sound like I said that? NO

NOw take your ignorant...1 track paranoid mind, and argue with someone that actually disagrees with you.

I agree with much of what you say, but you put me in some box that I simply do not occupy.

I wasn't talking about scalping, and I never said 99% of the stuff you characterize me as standing for. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again circular logic and backtracking from what I see.

Reread your original post. You are chastising people for playing their and labeling anyone that does a "nutbag". Then you come up with this bullshit post I quoted. Why post anything at all if you aren't going to stay consistant.

Even in my "paranoid one track mind" I don't make as many unfocused and multisided statements as you have in this thread.

While you answer "no" to all the questions you listed, the title of this thread says it all.

I suggest you reread what you have posted throughout this whole thread, then you might remember all thepoints you have shifted your stances on, and then you might realize how assinine your original point in this thread actually is.

ironlock · Aug 31, 2004

"Reread your original post. You are chastising people for playing their and labeling anyone that does a "nutbag". "

EHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! WRONG AGAIN DIPSHIT! I knew you were just paranoid that someone was calling you a nutbag. Nutbag. I was chastising people for insisting that everyone play here. I was chastising the lack of intelligence of people, such as yourself, that if were forced to pick one book and 1 book only as an out, would pick Pinnacle. Idiocy in my opinion...something you are very familiar with.

"While you answer "no" to all the questions you listed, the title of this thread says it all. "

YES, THE TITLE IS A BIT OVERSTATED, which is why I said in my first reply to DANTE "IN JEST!" But your lack of reading comprehension skills has become evident..so please, from now on...just skip over my stupid threads. Thanks.

You can't really be this dense..can you?

Fishhead · Aug 31, 2004

Good thread!

RIOSHILL · Aug 31, 2004

Ironlock does make some great points. However, with 105 juice they are the prototype. They are tough to beat, but are they supposed to give it away? They are doing a great job over there, and if players realized how much they save at 105 it would make their heads spin. Do i feel like a sucker when I get my figures at the end of the week? Sometimes the answer is yes. However, laying 110 on those losers makes me feel like an even bigger sucker.

Fishhead · Aug 31, 2004

Again.........

V-O-L-U-M-E

B-O-O-K-M-A-K-I-N-G

ironlock · Aug 31, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by RIO SHILL:
However, with 105 juice they are the prototype. They are tough to beat, but are they supposed to give it away? They are doing a great job over there, and if players realized how much they save at 105 it would make their heads spin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree 100%. If one insists on betting a side in which Pinnacle has the best price..one should bet it at Pinnacle. I guess my point is only relevant to situations where Pinny is the best number on 1 side, not this hypothetical place where they always have the best number on both sides. The majority of my picks are generated by the market, or some component of the market, which is simply not the same as picking a side and marching out to find the best number.

Good Luck to All.

Fishhead · Aug 31, 2004

For all those involved.........IRONLOCK is 110% on the money.........BELIEVE ME!

sportsmonitor · Aug 31, 2004

Ironlock makes some good points but the reason why I chose Pinny was primarily because I want a book that is trustworthy, dependable, and reliable. After watching money mysteriously disappear from SBG and Millinium through the years I had enough. When I requested a withdraw and the money never showed up then I knew it was time to move on. I never read about very many problems with Pinnacle and when their are discrepancies then most of them eventually get resolved.

Fishhead · Aug 31, 2004

SQUARES have a 2-1 better chance of making money at Pinnacle than SHARPS.

Ponder that for awhile.

ironlock · Aug 31, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by FISHHEAD:
SQUARES have a 2-1 better chance of making money at Pinnacle than SHARPS.

Ponder that for awhile. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting. Hadn't really thought about it that way...but I think you are correct. And probably did a better job of explaining what I meant than I.

ironlock · Aug 31, 2004

Krackman-
Wish I coulda met ya in Vegas baby. Long time no see (post in same thread).

Heard you were injured.

wantitall4moi · Aug 31, 2004

Ironlock, I just read your last post to Rio and THAT is the very reason why you and I will never agree wholeheartedly.

You let the line dictate how you bet. Whther youlike a side or not.

I will do that when I am scalping and taking leads, but I won't bet a game one way BECAUSE of a line move one way or the other.

if it works for you, then great. That doean't work for me.

As a scalper I see BOTH sides, and even stuff in the middle. And even thugh I might be "paranoid" or a "nutbag", I too know what I am talking about too.

Say I posted the 800 or 900 games I have played this year in bases, along with Pin's opener, their moves, their closings. Then I put up the lines at other shops, their moves and their closers. Then I put up the games where Pin had a worse number on the loser than the winner. What if say over 500 time Pin did in fact have a worse number, and if looked at it from, one point of view they "lost" an opinionated bet? That basically nulls your argument. Because you claim if you bet them at their best numbers all the time you will not win.

I didn't have to look far to find a game where Pin was 12 cents "off" on a line all day moving whenever every one else did, and that team lost. So anyone betting the other side at Pin, got the best number by almost 20 cents figuring in their reduced vig, and that team won. So how do you explain that? A mistake? I have 500 of those games out of the 900 I have played, where Pin had the "wrong" side shaded.

Also people have been mentioning volume, that is true. But even volume cannot overtake getting beaten consistantly if they are gambling at all. Ask Aces, they had more volume than anyone, supposedly, and it took them less than 20 middles, and a couple sides to get buried.

All I know is that I can't find any magic ball with Pinnacle, and if it were as apparenet as everyone in this thread is trying to make it to be, then you all must be rich playing the same games Pin does. that is why I do play there, and I do scalp with them,and I will bet into their best numbers, because I don't believe the hype.

But I guess I must be square because I win off them all year long. And every so called "sharp" poster gets their asses kicked there or doesn't even play with them. I would like to have a dollar for every poster that claims to not be able to win with them.

But the ultimate question I would ask, DOES side with you..."If you don't win there why play there at all?" So someone somewhere either isn't as sharp as they think they are, or is letting the books get inside their heads too much overall, not just Pinnacle.

wantitall4moi · Aug 31, 2004

ANd those 900 games are just the sides. If you add in the toatls where you could not only have scalped their numbers, but also gotten middles with scalpable sides, the number is closer to 1200 or 1300.

ironlock · Aug 31, 2004

You finally actually read and understood a post of mine. Good, thats a good start.

Now you stated. --
""""Say I posted the 800 or 900 games I have played this year in bases, along with Pin's opener, their moves, their closings. Then I put up the lines at other shops, their moves and their closers. Then I put up the games where Pin had a worse number on the loser than the winner. What if say over 500 time Pin did in fact have a worse number, and if looked at it from, one point of view they "lost" an opinionated bet? That basically nulls your argument.""""

Yes, please post these 900 games and openers and closers and the moves, and the moves from other outfits. This would do much in the way of proving that I'm letting the "books get inside my head". Yes, this would basically "null my argument". But, if you know anything...you know that what we are talking about here is much more complex than simply posting the moves. There are different ways to interpret the moves. The timing is critical, and somewhat subjective..no?

So go ahead, and prove to me that one will have a 55.56% win rate if all we did was fade the idiots at Pinnacle.

I'm waiting. I'm calling your bluff.

You say. "ALL IN"

I say. "I Call"

What do you got?

Iron.

ironlock · Aug 31, 2004

As a bonus, please throw in their losing opinions on Totals too...

I'll take a 55.56% system any day.

It's the "wantitallformoi FADE the idiots at Pinnacle system".

I won't be holding my breath.