We are talking about 2 different styles here. I do not believe that Palmer would do as good in the pittsburgh jersey as ben would not do as well in a cincy jersey. Fact is, Palmer may have a better arm, better awareness, and such like that. But when Im starting a team, I want that tough rugid QB that will get up in the face of a linebacker thats talking shit, and bring it even harder next play. I want that dude, that you know, is going to go out on that field and be a leader...Maybe Im bias and I try not to be, but I see more leadership in Ben than I do in palmer. Dude is ALWAYS wanting to be on that field for his team NO MATTER what. I also think thats his weakness, he comes back too early from injuries.
I just think your talking about 2 different animals here. I would want Ben on steelers, chicago, raven ect. but I would want carson on Indy, Rams, ect.
Another good comparision simialar to this one is brady and manning. Manning is by far has the better arm, awareness, ect. But if I need a QB for a game, you better believe Im taking Brady EVERY fucking time.
Bottom line, Ben is Underrrrrrated because of 1 fucking season. Let me throw you throw a car windshield and then cut your stomach open and you can go play some football vs some 300 pound roided monsters and see how you fair.
I want the winner on my team, and thats #7.
I just think your talking about 2 different animals here. I would want Ben on steelers, chicago, raven ect. but I would want carson on Indy, Rams, ect.
Another good comparision simialar to this one is brady and manning. Manning is by far has the better arm, awareness, ect. But if I need a QB for a game, you better believe Im taking Brady EVERY fucking time.
Bottom line, Ben is Underrrrrrated because of 1 fucking season. Let me throw you throw a car windshield and then cut your stomach open and you can go play some football vs some 300 pound roided monsters and see how you fair.
I want the winner on my team, and thats #7.
You guys think ben has a better supporting cast? You're crazy.
WRs: Johnson, Housh, Henry vs Ward, Holmes, WIlson - ADV Cincy
RB: Johnson vs Parker - Maybe a push, if anything adv Cin
OL: Steelers O Line really isn't anything special - they were mediocre last year. I'd give only a slight edge to the Steelers
Pit defense also wasn't it's usual dominating self last year. Ben steps up in crunch time as the great QB's do. Palmer is more skillful but Ben has the intangibles. I would put them neck and neck right now as I think both will have great careers. If I absolutely had to choose one I'd take Ben
WRs: Johnson, Housh, Henry vs Ward, Holmes, WIlson - ADV Cincy
RB: Johnson vs Parker - Maybe a push, if anything adv Cin
OL: Steelers O Line really isn't anything special - they were mediocre last year. I'd give only a slight edge to the Steelers
Pit defense also wasn't it's usual dominating self last year. Ben steps up in crunch time as the great QB's do. Palmer is more skillful but Ben has the intangibles. I would put them neck and neck right now as I think both will have great careers. If I absolutely had to choose one I'd take Ben
Did any of you Fantasy Football jokers watch Big Ben in his first two seasons? I doubt it. You probably just read the USA Today for the Box Scores of the games. I'm not one to use too many slurs on message boards, but as far as I am concerned Fantasy Football is the Gayest thing I have ever seen. What a joke to act like you are the manager of some dumbass team.
Put your money up or shut up. Fantasy Football sucks. Every person who saw Ben play knows that he is an elite quarterback. He is right at the top of the list. Carson Palmer got manhandled against Pittsburgh last year, and if it weren't for the stupid fumble by Pittsburgh in the first game then they would have been swept.
Fantasy Football opinions don't mean shit. Most opinions don't mean shit. We'll see next year. Ben got the Super Bowl in his second year...rolled right through Cinci, Indy, and Denver...all on the road. Dominated the Indy game and Denver game as well.
Next year he will right the ship. I've never seen a QB get less respect.
Put your money up or shut up. Fantasy Football sucks. Every person who saw Ben play knows that he is an elite quarterback. He is right at the top of the list. Carson Palmer got manhandled against Pittsburgh last year, and if it weren't for the stupid fumble by Pittsburgh in the first game then they would have been swept.
Fantasy Football opinions don't mean shit. Most opinions don't mean shit. We'll see next year. Ben got the Super Bowl in his second year...rolled right through Cinci, Indy, and Denver...all on the road. Dominated the Indy game and Denver game as well.
Next year he will right the ship. I've never seen a QB get less respect.
dialitup said:
I guess its hard to judge this cuz we have so many different ideas what words mean, for example, I find it hard to believe someone could say Palmer was manhandled by PItt last year.
First game at Pitt
18/26 193 yards 4 TDs 2 INTs lost fumble
2nd game
20/38 251 yards 2 TDs 0 INTs
Though I do agree those are both bad games for him, 20/38 is terrible for Palmer
, but not sure if you can look at both of those games and say manhandled
The results of this poll and the absolutely idiotic comments being made by some of the Ben detractors make my mouthwater thinking about next football season. Hammer those Bengals...fade those Steelers..and I will do the opposite for all those juicy lines. Hope all you carson supporters are big bettors, too!! Bengals will have to work to stay ahead of brownies.:money8:
Matt24 said:
Ok, against Pitt Carson did not have a good game, he was very streaky. That was a deceiving stats game and even still he threw 2 INT's and fumbled 3 times in that game. When he got sacked 4 times by Cleveland he did throw for 352 yards but also threw another 2 INT's. Against New England he was sacked 4 times but lost 2 fumbles and had a mediocre passing day. Against Indy again he was sacked 4 times and fumbled the ball 4 times in another mediocre passing day. My point is that people tend to look at only the INT side but don't see the fumbles of a QB (thus the Brooks and Culpepper analogies)
This year Big Ben had 23 INT's and 6 fumbles with 2 lost fumbles in an admittedly bad year. However, if you look at Palmer's turnover numbers you can see they aren't much better. Palmer had 13 INT's but 15 fumbles with 7 of them lost. 15 fumbles!!!! Almost one a game at that average. When Palmer sees a rush coming he shits the bed and fumbles, whereas Big Ben will either take a hit and make the play or scramble and make the play. How many times have you seen Carson Palmer turn nothing into something? I can't recall but one or two. Now how many times have you seen Big Ben turn nothing into something? This happens usually once or twice a game. Big Ben can make the plays Carson can't.
Finally, Ben has shown that he can show up when it matters. He was superb in the playoffs last year and that game against Denver was one of the best games I've ever see any QB play. What happened when Carson needed 1 measly win in his last 3 games this season? Loss, loss, loss.
Give me the QB that will show up when it counts, give me the QB that knows how to manage a game, give me the QB that can make plays on his own, give me the tough sonuvabitch who will take a hit to complete a pass. Give me #7 any day of the week.
dialitup said:
Well I will refrain from asking my next question, which is why are you being such an asshole.
I went to college at Miami (OH) at the same time as BB, and watched 10+ of his college games live. I also have watched MANY of his pro games including every snap of every playoff game he has ever played in. I consider myself a BB fan.
I am also not a Bengals fan by any stretch, as I grew up in Illinois and am a life-long Bears fan.
That said, I voted Carson, based on sheer quarterbacking ability.
Any other questions?
