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All medical care should be paid for by cash....it's these fukking HMO's and insurance companies that have driven up the price of everything and every doctor needs three extra workers or more just to deal with billing. Ridiculous.
 

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I get hit by a car tonight, and need emergency surgery. They fix me up and a few weeks later I walk out of the hospital looking forward to enjoying the rest of my life. Total Cost $0.00

Happens to me in the US, and I walk out of the hospital, with a $50,000+ (could be more, have no idea) bill to worry about paying.


So once again ... how does one not thank god they don't live in the US in terms of Health Care ? Can't see how anyone can disagree.
Lol, $0. Surgeons in Canada work for free?

US healthcare is brought down because of the government getting involved. Plastic surgery is one of the few areas of health care that the government doesn't get involved with too much, and guess what? Demand has skyrocketed for botox and all that shit, but prices have come way down and quality has improved so much. The cause of all the problems in health care is 100% the government fault.
 

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Something interesting to note about Canadian health care. First, it isn't free. That part should be glaringly obvious, but there are some dumb people that actually think surgeons work for free in Canada (I think this proves 100% that evolution is fact). Second, most Canadians with any sort of money come to the US when they actually have serious surgery because waiting lists are infinitely long in Canada and the doctors aren't as skilled. Illegal for-profit hospitals are springing up in Canada at a pretty fast pace. That's pretty sad that the Canadian government makes it illegal for you to pay for private health care in the country.
 

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Expand the ability for people and/or business to write off medical expenses/insurance on their taxes and replace lost revenue by legalizing sportsbetting and weed. Wishful thinking I know.

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That's pretty sad that the Canadian government makes it illegal for you to pay for private health care in the country.

I'm not sure that it's "illegal" per se, but it certainly is uninsured and uncovered by your provincial health care plan. Unless of course your Canadian doctor specifically advised you to see a rogue/private doctor, or a U.S. mayo clinic or the like.

If you seek private health care in Canada or elsewhere without a referral from your government-subsidized doctor, you will be denied health insurance and reimbursement for those visits. I speak from unfortunate personal experience regarding a family memeber.
 

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Thank you for helping me prove my point.

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Please. Do yo know what $155 a month worth of insurance gets you? You're covered for one aspirin in a hospital.

Trust me, you can't get anything worthwhile for that little a month.
 

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Please. Do yo know what $155 a month worth of insurance gets you? You're covered for one aspirin in a hospital.

Trust me, you can't get anything worthwhile for that little a month.

You are probably right, but the point is that if peple get rid of their cell phones a few other "extras" then can get coverage. Even if it isn't the best, its something.

Something just bothers me about giving people handouts while they live beyond their means.
 

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Be very careful what you wish for.

Universal health care sounds good in theory, but in practice it really means that instead of the poor having the same access to health care as the rich, we all have the same health care as the poor.

I'm my grandparents' live-in caregiver and deal with our system near daily. Both of my grandparents are in hospital right now, actually. Grandma, who can't feed herself now, has no nurses to do this for her, they are too understaffed. I or my parents must be at the hospital for every single meal.

She's also on a waiting list for a nursing home and it will likely take another year before she gets a placement. And that's for a PRIVATE room! For those who cannot afford private but can only pay for a ward bed, the wait is currently averaging three years. Imagine trying to plan for your later years under these circumstances!

590 people in my city are on these waiting lists. 190 of them are in a crisis position in hospital. When a bed opens up for those in crisis, they MUST take it. It makes no difference if the nursing home is shit, or too far away, or otherwise not what you would choose for your loved one. You MUST take the spot, or be fined $300 per day, or have your file closed and be sent home.

It's criminal, immoral, and downright inhumane.
 

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Do you not have a private alternative in Canada? In the UK (and Cyprus) there is both public health care for those who can't afford it/choose not to pay, and private for those who wish to go down that route.
 

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We have first class doctors so you pay for it. The countries that are ahead of us on that list are a joke, for the most part. If you had a choice to be seen by an American doctor or one on that list what would you chose? You pay for first class benefits that is how this country works.

As stated it isn't like if you go to the emergency room they are going to say I am sorry your child is dying but we can't help you w/o insurance.

Get a job and consider your future. Plan ahead or forget about it. If you are having kids and you can't afford anything then why are you having them what were you thinking?

Also to the person that said about college. My GF has 60k in loans taken out to pay for school so she could go to a good science program because she wants to be a doctor. You can take out loans and if you can't you can go to the JUCO by my house that is 1000 for a whole semester of 15 hours of classes. You also can apply for financial aid and what not.

I agree with Primetime that this country gives out to many gimmee's already but I understand why they do it. Could you imagine going through your whole life w/o a major medical issue and you die from natural causes at like 80... and say you have paid for everyone else's coverage in the country and probably paid more over the long run then you would here.


Agree with you totally here EJ. Bottomline is that hospitals aren't going to say fuck you if you are insured, and the doctors in the states are some of the best in the world. It's worth the money to live a healthy life, isn't it?
 

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Do you not have a private alternative in Canada? In the UK (and Cyprus) there is both public health care for those who can't afford it/choose not to pay, and private for those who wish to go down that route.

Alternatives to anything considered 'primary care' is illegal here. ILLEGAL. The gov't has created their own little monopoly, unfortunately.

Primary care covers nursing homes, too. We have a meeting with my grandmother's doctors next week and I've been given the heads up that they want to send her to a nursing home now, as they feel her care is too technical now for my abilities. (They're probably right.) If we as a family decide to follow their advice, we then have no control over what nursing home she goes to. Or, we can risk her health, bring her home to my care, and wait for her chosen nursing home to call. Next spring, sometime, assuming the wait list doesn't get any worse.

The whole system makes me sick.

(Also wanting to add that until four months ago, I went 8 years unable to find a family doctor. Paying taxes like everyone else, yet there are not enough docs to go around. Our system is broken and needs to be tossed.)
 

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Be very careful what you wish for.

Universal health care sounds good in theory, but in practice it really means that instead of the poor having the same access to health care as the rich, we all have the same health care as the poor.

I'm my grandparents' live-in caregiver and deal with our system near daily. Both of my grandparents are in hospital right now, actually. Grandma, who can't feed herself now, has no nurses to do this for her, they are too understaffed. I or my parents must be at the hospital for every single meal.

She's also on a waiting list for a nursing home and it will likely take another year before she gets a placement. And that's for a PRIVATE room! For those who cannot afford private but can only pay for a ward bed, the wait is currently averaging three years. Imagine trying to plan for your later years under these circumstances!

590 people in my city are on these waiting lists. 190 of them are in a crisis position in hospital. When a bed opens up for those in crisis, they MUST take it. It makes no difference if the nursing home is shit, or too far away, or otherwise not what you would choose for your loved one. You MUST take the spot, or be fined $300 per day, or have your file closed and be sent home.

It's criminal, immoral, and downright inhumane.

I'm not really for universal health care, I'm just for making the insurance we have in place now more affordable and there's ways of doing it. For one, the fact that everyone has to pick up the slack for illegal aliens using the health care here is nuts. It creates a chain reaction of higher costs.
 

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I'm not really for universal health care, I'm just for making the insurance we have in place now more affordable and there's ways of doing it. For one, the fact that everyone has to pick up the slack for illegal aliens using the health care here is nuts. It creates a chain reaction of higher costs.
I understand what you mean.
 

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oh no ! i wont be able to sleep at night cause that fat bastard moore has made another whiner flick!

if the problems here in America are so bad why the hell dont he move? why has America since day one had flocks of people literally killing themsleves to get into our country? i dont see Americans busting down the Canadian or Mexican borders to enter, do you?

life in America is as good as the person himself makes it. land of the free home of the brave dont mean you can sit on your ass and bravely get everything free. actually you almost can though nowdays if you spawn enough kids

that 27 yr old waitress could have got a grant (even if shes learning disabled or otherwise retarded) or a student loan at 18 and went to college free, got a better job so she could afford 200 bucks a month for health insurance from an online insurance company. theres many options out there but people dont think about insurance until they need it for whatever reason . should the governement also supply people free toilet paper and remind them to wipe their asses?

most waitresses i know with ANY sort of personality make 15-20 bucks an hr but when they get off work at 11 oclock they prefer to spend thier hard earned money at the bar with the rest of their slacker friends instead of putting away 7 bucks a day (thats a tip from one table) to pay monthly health coverage. its a lifestyle choice.

even without insurance people with any sort of reasoning skills can find solutions. about 10 years ago i had no insurance. i was stabbed and had a 5k bill at the emergency room. as far as the government knew i had no income that year, so i simply showed my w2 to some clerk at the hospital a couple months later and some charitable foundation ate the bill

now i pay 36 bucks a week out of my check at my job for insurance. we are a small company with 30 employees yet we are ALWAYS hiring , over half the people elect to not have the medical coverage yet a few of these same people buy a quarter of coke every friday. again its a lifestyle choice.

americans dont worry too much about canadas health care system so why in the hell would you be so distraught over an injustice in this country that the entire world is so fascinated by?

never fear though, when some country attacks you or you have a natural disaster you can still count on America to come help you out and our taxpayers will foot the bill and the entire world will be pissed off
 

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oh no ! i wont be able to sleep at night cause that fat bastard moore has made another whiner flick!

if the problems here in America are so bad why the hell dont he move? why has America since day one had flocks of people literally killing themsleves to get into our country? i dont see Americans busting down the Canadian or Mexican borders to enter, do you?

life in America is as good as the person himself makes it. land of the free home of the brave dont mean you can sit on your ass and bravely get everything free. actually you almost can though nowdays if you spawn enough kids

that 27 yr old waitress could have got a grant (even if shes learning disabled or otherwise retarded) or a student loan at 18 and went to college free, got a better job so she could afford 200 bucks a month for health insurance from an online insurance company. theres many options out there but people dont think about insurance until they need it for whatever reason . should the governement also supply people free toilet paper and remind them to wipe their asses?

most waitresses i know with ANY sort of personality make 15-20 bucks an hr but when they get off work at 11 oclock they prefer to spend thier hard earned money at the bar with the rest of their slacker friends instead of putting away 7 bucks a day (thats a tip from one table) to pay monthly health coverage. its a lifestyle choice.

even without insurance people with any sort of reasoning skills can find solutions. about 10 years ago i had no insurance. i was stabbed and had a 5k bill at the emergency room. as far as the government knew i had no income that year, so i simply showed my w2 to some clerk at the hospital a couple months later and some charitable foundation ate the bill

now i pay 36 bucks a week out of my check at my job for insurance. we are a small company with 30 employees yet we are ALWAYS hiring , over half the people elect to not have the medical coverage yet a few of these same people buy a quarter of coke every friday. again its a lifestyle choice.

americans dont worry too much about canadas health care system so why in the hell would you be so distraught over an injustice in this country that the entire world is so fascinated by?

never fear though, when some country attacks you or you have a natural disaster you can still count on America to come help you out and our taxpayers will foot the bill and the entire world will be pissed off


I hate to keep just agreeing with people's posts, but this is another excellent post. Exactly my thoughts.
 

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even without insurance people with any sort of reasoning skills can find solutions. about 10 years ago i had no insurance. i was stabbed and had a 5k bill at the emergency room. as far as the government knew i had no income that year, so i simply showed my w2 to some clerk at the hospital a couple months later and some charitable foundation ate the bill

So you had to lie to get out of paying your hospital bill?? :aktion033
 

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where theres a will theres a way man, thats all i have to say about that:) im a greedy man, think most people here at this site like money too

but,i truly didnt have much money then. hell, all they can do if you dont pay is take to you court - then pay em 5 bucks a month for life if you must to shut em up.

theres always a solution. it may not be easy,ethical,or comfortable for some people. but thats life

wow, i really do sound like a jaded burnout..i need some free therapy! just so happens a friend yesterday told me he sees a shrink twice a week free somehow...think ill check into that! :)
 

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