Amazing post.....leave the poll open but we can just close any further Comments.
Although if anyone can post one of those awesome youtube vids of like 5minutes of MJ slamming and jamming versus three or four white guys who can't get their feet set and just wave as he goes by I would be very happy
you cannot compare different eras for obvious reasons, different rules, training, nutrition, etc etc... Funny how the same flawed argument goes, "now a days players would destroy yesterday's player, because of the training, nutrition, coaching etc etc" this flawed argument is based on the huge assumption that yesterday's player would not use the same training, nutrition and coaching that today's players use! It's like comparing a cyclist from 40 years ago, using the same training, nutrition, coaching and bike from yesteryear to a modern cyclist. When this comparison is made, the debater often says "well of course they have to have access to the same bike" well then of course they have to have access to the same nutrition, coaching and training etc etc. That being said let's look at the numbers
times leading the league in scoring
jordan 10 (greatest scorer ever)
lebron 1
first team all defensive team
jordan 9 (tied for greatest defender ever)
lebron 5
so you have the greatest scorer ever and the greatest defender ever in the same body! How can you argue that he is not the greatest ever? Scores the most, defends the best. What else is he supposed to do to prove he's the best ever?
This poll is much more like it. In 5 years it will be dead even. In 10 years Lebron will be known as the GOAT
agree. I don't think it's close because of the mental makeup of the two.People live in the moment.
As the years & decades pass, memories fade & they forget how dominant he was.
His array of moves is/was beyond compare.
Most beautiful in my opinion being the post up which could turn into a jumper, fadeaway, or turn & drive..
This poll is much more like it. In 5 years it will be dead even. In 10 years Lebron will be known as the GOAT
If LeBron can win a couple rings in LA, I think he will be cemented as the GOAT.
From a pure basketball ability perspective, I don't think there's a question that LeBron is better than MJ. LeBron coasts more on defense and doesn't convert on the foul line as well, but other than that he is pretty much better than MJ at everything. He's going to finish his career with more assists than Magic Johnson and more rebounds than Kareem.
One could argue that LeBron's greatest skill is his passing ability/court vision. You could make the case he is the best passer in the NBA. Yet even though he's a pass-first player, he's STILL about as good of a scorer as MJ.
His well-roundedness and ability to impact a game is greater than anything we've ever seen in this sport. Look at what has happened to my Cavaliers since LeBron left...look at the shit he has to play with over his career. He turns bottom-feeders into championship contenders. MJ never did that.
Right. Lebron did all that himself. He made teams contenders because he got to the finals (and lost many of them) playing in a weakass Eastern conference.
Lebron made teams contenders? When he ever make a team a contender without bonafide established megastars like Wade, Love, Irving, even guys like Bosh, Ray Allen etc? A BUNCH of help. Give me a break about him turning teams into contenders. All I've ever heard from that clown is I need more help and even when he got it he couldn't deliver and whined.
The fact that you said there's no question about it shows you can't be taken seriously. I believe Jordan is better but at the very least it's a debate when hall of famers and other analysts etc are arguing over it. Guys that know more about it than us.
No question...Lol. Give me a break.
What was Cleveland like after LeBron left the first time? They had a star in Kyrie the years before he came back in that "weak" Eastern Conference, and still couldn't make the playoffs. Instantly brought them to the Finals four years in a row.
What happened to Miami after LeBron left? They became irrelevant
What's happened to Cleveland now? They're one of the worst teams in the league.
Remember when MJ took a break? They still almost went to the Finals!
If I was LeBron, I'd probably complain about trash players not being able to hit open shots that LeBron single-handedly created for them....
Wade won one for Miami don't forget that. Yeah look at Cleveland now. They lost Lebron AND Kyrie AND Love is injured. What's your point?
MJ made Pippen. I give credit for how great Pippen and the Bulls played but MJ made Pippen and those players better by dogging them and pushing them. Playing against the best in scrimmages will obviously make you better. Pippen knows that better than most.
You're going to completely ignore all the help Lebron needed from established superstars just to get to the finals and win only 3 of them? I mean bonafide superstars and excellent role players.
I've yet to find one NBA player that says LeBitch is better than Jordan. Case closed.
I've yet to find on NBA player or sports commentator that agrees with LeBitch announcing that he's the GOAT, instead they're all
saying that he's being a bitch and disrespecting the game to say something so stupid.