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brewers7 said:
Hey, I am simply too honest for my own good...Which is why my wife is dumbfounded that I love sports betting so much, because it just doesn't seem to fit my persona...I am just trying to keep everything "above board", which may be hard with this new "profession" of mine...
Well, I have been doing this a long time and spent MANY MANY hours learning what is the correct thing to do..........with fellow professional gamblers, tax accountants, online help, reading, etc., etc............so that why i may sound a little brash when talking about this subject.

Each case is different........you need to do what is best for you in your mind.

You are doing the right thing......talk to as many people as you can.

But like I said, I have spent COUNTLESS hours in the past 10+ years and am very happy with the way I handle it personallly.
 

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bigbet1234:

I agree...What really is the difference between sports gambling and slot machines or online poker??...

Why is one ok and the other is so frowned upon?...
Poker is considered more of a SKILL, where as sportsbetting and slots is NOT.

STUPID I KNOW, but that is why.

We are talking in terms of OFFSHORE here.
 

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Fish, I wish you would have stayed sober long enough at the bash so we could have discussed this topic.:toothless

Maybe next year.

BB
 

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Fish, I wish you would have stayed sober long enough at the bash so we could have discussed this topic.:toothless

Maybe next year.

BB
That was strictly a cover-up...........havent had a drink in 9 years.
 

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I just want to keep my ass covered...

I'd rather check first, and if they say it's "ok as long as you do such-and-such", then at least I feel justified if they want to hammer me during an audit...

Why on Earth would you guys want to play games with the IRS??...Man, not me, brother...I'm no big-shot, I'm no wise-guy, I'm just trying to make an honest living...Period, end of story...You don't want to believe that the IRS responded the way they did?...Fine...Believe what you want...

I'm not trying to bring attention to myself, I simply read this thread because I recently got a NeTeller account and was curious...Then I read about sports gambling and tax issues and I just had to ask questions because this issue is weighing HEAVILY on my mind and my wife's mind as the end of the year draws near...

That's all...I'll stop replying NOW if you think this is just an attention-getting plot...That's ridiculous, though, I just had some honest questions and things took off from there...Sorry for temporarily taking attention away from others in here...That's not my plan...I thought a forum like this was about sharing information?....That's all I was attemting to do here...

Good Luck to everyone as tax-time approaches...
 

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Fish:

I appreciate your responses...I do keep a daily log and have done so since last December, but some of it got lost forever when my pc crashed in May...I am piecing it back together though...

Thanx for your insight and Good luck to you...
 

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brewers7 said:
Fish:

I appreciate your responses...I do keep a daily log and have done so since last December, but some of it got lost forever when my pc crashed in May...I am piecing it back together though...

Thanx for your insight and Good luck to you...
GOOD LUCK TO YOU SIR!

WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER!

PAIN IN THE REAR FOR SURE!

Thanks for taking the time to give your situation to the forum.

Hope I didnt confuse you more than when you came in............just sit back with the wife and take a deep breath and do what you feel is best.

LATER
FISH
 

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to get back to the topic at hand, the original poster is very correct, neteller will do nothing to shut down books that don't pay, I have been told they will recover your depsit amount at a non paying book, but I doubt it.
 

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spidermonkey:

Interesting, and too bad if that is the case...

But I simply do not understand why people would throw their money into questional SportsBooks when there are so many good Books out there??...I just cannot fathom it...Just look at this link:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/

Many books there where your money is SAFE...Even the Books graded as "C" and "D" are relatively safe, but man, why people throw good money into Books with researching the Book first is beyond me...
 

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You guys are amazing sometimes. First off Neteller should have no more responsibility for recovering money than your bank when you get screwed. They are merely a money transfering agent, albeit an expensive one.

But lets get more to the other points here. Some people amaze me. You guys ought to work for Ass-croft, he would love you. You all jump to conclusions about the law and ignore the myriad of steps that would prevent any of this gloomy stuff from happening. Where should I begin?

1. Tax courts and tax law are their own world, separate from the normal criminal courts. Tax court judges only hear tax cases and tax prosecutors only handle tax cases. The law clearly states the two are to be kept separate and they have a process that must be undertaken to have the paths cross. Namely the IRS has a legal duty to protect your records and privacy. The only way the DOJ or anyone else can get them is with a subpoena, which requires some reason to suspect a crime has taken place. When you consider that there is NO federal law against the act of betting, this whole idea of getting in trouble because of a tax return gets awfully ridiculous and unlikely...unless you really believe the DOJ just wanders freely through tax records.

2. Ass-croft would probably hate to admit it, but the 5th amendment does stil apply where we all come from. You cannot just admit to a crime on a piece of paper and have that be admissable evidence in a court of law. There has to be clear evidence of a crime and it has to be separate from just saying you gambled in a tax return. Other people's word can get you in trouble, but your own cannot without your open acceptance of it.

3. What exactly are you guys thinking you are writing on this tax form anyways??? You just have to write "gambling winnings". Not "winnings from CRIS sportsbook, San Jose, Costa Rica". There is legal gambling in 48 states. The other two have good airports from which you can fly to a place with gambling. Someone tell me how you think it is possible for an assumption you bet offshore if you just say you had gambling winnings or even listed yourself as a professional. Many poker circuit pros live in states without cardrooms, they just earn a living at tournaments. O'Neill Longson, a great player, has listed as his hometown Salt Lake City the whole time he has been a poker pro. Dewey Tomko has lived in Florida practically all his life, yet still is a big winner at tournaments. That proves anyone in any area can be a pro legitimately.

4. For all the doom and gloomers, remember just how many people have been convicted of offshore betting. ONE. Thats right, ONE. He got caught because he admitted it after being turned in by family. There are thousands who bet offshore in Nevada and we have a specific law against it. Billy Walters is the only person I know of being even charged with this crime, but the charge was dropped. There is a clear precedent, simply put you bet offshore, you pay your taxes, you don't get in trouble. Could something worse happen? Sure, but I think your chances of making millions from betting offshore are better than your chances of getting prosecuted and being forced to pay a fine.
 

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bigbet1234 said:
Fish, I wish you would have stayed sober long enough at the bash so we could have discussed this topic.:toothless

Maybe next year.

BB

BB you have a better chance of a 1 in a million audit then THAT happening sir:drink9: :drink9: :drink9:
 

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Wild Bill, that was a good post....article maybe?

I only wonder how many are not caught by trying to come back home (US) when their passports get scanned....

Good Job

G
 

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I admire Fisheads honesty for paying his taxes & declaring them on his return, I know I couldn't, although that would be liberating
 

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glaken said:
As an Attorney and Bond trader in the ATL I asked the legal dept. down stairs and the fact of the matter is....You can claim gambling losses up to $500 without having to document them......If you claim gambling winnings from an offshore sports book you are admitting to a crime....which may or may not be a future topic. We should hope not. If you win in Vegas or any other casino you are required to providea SS# if your winnings are above the 1499 limit. Neteller is doing a great job and protecting their Canadian incorporation charter....pay the 2 bucks or 15 or whatever...WU is incorporated in US so their loyalties are not with anyone but thier coward attorneys.

Neteller is a good company...going through some server-software upgrades....I have no problem paying their fee or being Certified member. Ofcourse you have to be able to have a bank account to get certified...which I suspect alot of people in this hood are on the CHEXsystem list.
First I thougt the law has changed and I decided to check. It's still up to $600.








Instructions to Winner​





A change to note.​
The regular gambling withholding rate





and backup withholding rate have decreased on gambling​

winnings after December 31, 2002. These rates are used to​

figure any Federal income tax withholding reported in box 2.​



Box 1.​
The payer must furnish a Form W-2G to you if you





receive:​



1.​
$600 or more in gambling winnings and the payout is at





least 300 times the amount of the wager (except winnings​

from bingo, keno, and slot machines);​



2.​
$1,200 or more in gambling winnings from bingo or slot





machines;​



3.​
$1,500 or more in proceeds (the amount of winnings





less the amount of the wager) from keno; or​



4.​
Any gambling winnings subject to Federal income tax





withholding.​



A change to note.​
The regular gambling withholding rate





and backup withholding rate have decreased on gambling​

winnings after December 31, 2002. These rates are used to​

figure any Federal income tax withholding reported in box 2.​

Generally, report all gambling winnings on the​
Other


income​
line of Form 1040. You can deduct gambling losses


as an itemized deduction, but you cannot deduct more than​



your winnings. Keep an accurate record of your winnings and




losses, and be able to prove those amounts with receipts,​

tickets, statements, or similar items that you have saved.​



Box 2.​
Any Federal income tax withheld on these winnings is





shown in this box. Federal income tax must be withheld at​

the rate of 25% on certain winnings less the wager.​



If you did not provide your Federal identification number to




the payer, the amount in this box may be subject to backup​

withholding at a 28% rate.​



Include the amount shown in box 2 on your Form 1040​








as Federal income tax withheld.​








Signature.​
You must sign Form W-2G if you are the only





person entitled to the winnings and the winnings are subject​

to regular gambling withholding.​



Other winners.​
Prepare Form 5754, Statement by Person(s)





Receiving Gambling Winnings, if another person is entitled to​

any part of these winnings. Give Form 5754 to the payer.​



Maybe a better link:

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw2g_04.pdf
 

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Faceless, I guess I was wrong....

Sorry, thats why its called a team....informed decisions! I voted for the other guy and will support this guy until I die.

I'll buy out your tab up to $100 clams....Great Job, what school?
 

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BTW Face.....please advise in advance when posting a PDF link with 9 pages.....page 3 would have sufficed.....have you ever heard of click and paste? Your Fired, The Donald
 

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Yo glaken, my brotha!

1) I've been posting here for sometime so I know what difference $100 means at this board. 98% of posters loses every damn year, so they don't have to worry about IRS. 1% of posters makes about $599 profit a year in gambling and last 1% over $600. For those lucky ones who got $599 but not $600, that $100 difference means a lot.

2) Click and paste from that IRS document and you realize it ain't so fücking easy. I had to copy/paste, copy/paste, copy/paste......several times before I had taken all the text (Instructions to Winner). Usually click/paste is very easy, but it seems like not with IRS documents
 

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WildBill said:
You guys are amazing sometimes. First off Neteller should have no more responsibility for recovering money than your bank when you get screwed. They are merely a money transfering agent, albeit an expensive one.

But lets get more to the other points here. Some people amaze me. You guys ought to work for Ass-croft, he would love you. You all jump to conclusions about the law and ignore the myriad of steps that would prevent any of this gloomy stuff from happening. Where should I begin?

1. Tax courts and tax law are their own world, separate from the normal criminal courts. Tax court judges only hear tax cases and tax prosecutors only handle tax cases. The law clearly states the two are to be kept separate and they have a process that must be undertaken to have the paths cross. Namely the IRS has a legal duty to protect your records and privacy. The only way the DOJ or anyone else can get them is with a subpoena, which requires some reason to suspect a crime has taken place. When you consider that there is NO federal law against the act of betting, this whole idea of getting in trouble because of a tax return gets awfully ridiculous and unlikely...unless you really believe the DOJ just wanders freely through tax records.

2. Ass-croft would probably hate to admit it, but the 5th amendment does stil apply where we all come from. You cannot just admit to a crime on a piece of paper and have that be admissable evidence in a court of law. There has to be clear evidence of a crime and it has to be separate from just saying you gambled in a tax return. Other people's word can get you in trouble, but your own cannot without your open acceptance of it.

3. What exactly are you guys thinking you are writing on this tax form anyways??? You just have to write "gambling winnings". Not "winnings from CRIS sportsbook, San Jose, Costa Rica". There is legal gambling in 48 states. The other two have good airports from which you can fly to a place with gambling. Someone tell me how you think it is possible for an assumption you bet offshore if you just say you had gambling winnings or even listed yourself as a professional. Many poker circuit pros live in states without cardrooms, they just earn a living at tournaments. O'Neill Longson, a great player, has listed as his hometown Salt Lake City the whole time he has been a poker pro. Dewey Tomko has lived in Florida practically all his life, yet still is a big winner at tournaments. That proves anyone in any area can be a pro legitimately.

4. For all the doom and gloomers, remember just how many people have been convicted of offshore betting. ONE. Thats right, ONE. He got caught because he admitted it after being turned in by family. There are thousands who bet offshore in Nevada and we have a specific law against it. Billy Walters is the only person I know of being even charged with this crime, but the charge was dropped. There is a clear precedent, simply put you bet offshore, you pay your taxes, you don't get in trouble. Could something worse happen? Sure, but I think your chances of making millions from betting offshore are better than your chances of getting prosecuted and being forced to pay a fine.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO EXPLAIN THIS TO EVERYONE!

I couldnt have written it better myself!:toothless

YOU ALL NEED TO READ WHAT WILD BILL just said about 5-6 times over.
 

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