Missouri #1 is a joke

[PokerKingJim]

What makes everyone think Ohio St has played nobody? Purdue, Penn St, Wisconsin, Michigan St were all unbeaten in non conference - what have you seen from these teams that makes you think they aren't as good as Tenn, Auburn, Kentucky. Yea Mich got beat by App St - it happens - USC losing to Stanford is just as bad. People mistake being flashy with being good. People only remember the title game last year - they ignore the fact that there were 2 other major bowl games between the Big Ten and SEC, Penn St beat Tenn and Wiscy beat Auburn. The Big Ten has faired very well this decade head to head with the SEC. Big Ten gets a bad wrap because of the style of play, but climate dictates a lot of that. Go to Wisconsin and try to run the spread option in November when it is 20 degrees and freezing rain. As I said before, the SEC is the best overall conference but it is vastly overrated by many people on this board.

I would almost rather see Ohio St go to the Rose Bowl and play USC than go to the title game and play WVU. The Big Ten bashing is getting completely out of hand around here.

 

[Rawpimple]

USC would eat OSUs lunch

For OSU it would be much better to play WVU than USC.

 

[bombay24]

No one is saying Florida deserves to go ahead of Missouri. If Missouri beats Oklahoma and thats a big IF, they deserve to be there, no questions about it.

Now about Tebow being a suspect passer, that's pretty ridiculous. Everyone questioned the passing ability of Tebow and despite being injured and having a ton of injuries to his star skill position players, and despite starting for the first year in the SEC, he is #2 in passing in the NATION. This has nothing to do with his rushing but only his passing. Now consider this guy is running, passing and getting drilled on every play, and he is still as efficient as he is, is pretty remarkable. Tebow is the real deal and deserves the hype and praise he has been getting. If you are starting a team and have a choice between Chase and Tebow I would say the overwhelming majority of people would take Tebow (obviously except Missouri fans). This is not to discredit what Chase has accomplished but rather saying Tebow is one of a kind.

Tebow has a very good arm, is accurate, is 6'3, is tough as hell, and is clutch. Tebow has not had a bad game all year, including the losses.
The Auburn loss was more on the defense than anything. Florida had the ball for 3 possesions in the first half. They kept Tebow off the field yet in the second half Tebow came back and gave the Gators the lead. All they had to do was hold Auburn on their final drive and their D could not do it.

I think we are on the same page here. i am referring to all the people that are saying that Daniel and Mizzou don't hold a candle to Mizzou. If you reread my post you will see that I stated clearly that i was not saying Daniel is a better QB or player than Tebow. As for starting a team with one player or the other I would have to say it all depends on what system you are running. I believe each QB is the better QB in their respective system. It's obvious that Tebow is the more talented and athletic player as he was the top recruit in the nation. If Daniel was at that level he wouldn't be at Mizzou. The kid is a winner, plain and simple. Add 3 inches to his height and we are talking about him as a top pro prospect.

 

[bombay24]

they took care of business? how so, by beating kansas? please. chase is a much more accurate passer? tebow is at what 68.5%? tebow averages 1.9 more yards per attempt. tebow is a better qb than chase. talk about system qbs? come on, thats what chase is. 5 wide shotgun all day.

I never said Daniel's stats weren't due to the system. I'm a realist and it's realistic to see that you are a clear gator fan that is not going to even admit that MU deserves a shot. Congratulations to the Gators on their 9-3 record and 3rd place finish in the SEC East. arty::toast:ope:

 

[mofome]

What makes everyone think Ohio St has played nobody? Purdue, Penn St, Wisconsin, Michigan St were all unbeaten in non conference - what have you seen from these teams that makes you think they aren't as good as Tenn, Auburn, Kentucky. Yea Mich got beat by App St - it happens - USC losing to Stanford is just as bad. People mistake being flashy with being good. People only remember the title game last year - they ignore the fact that there were 2 other major bowl games between the Big Ten and SEC, Penn St beat Tenn and Wiscy beat Auburn. The Big Ten has faired very well this decade head to head with the SEC. Big Ten gets a bad wrap because of the style of play, but climate dictates a lot of that. Go to Wisconsin and try to run the spread option in November when it is 20 degrees and freezing rain. As I said before, the SEC is the best overall conference but it is vastly overrated by many people on this board.

I would almost rather see Ohio St go to the Rose Bowl and play USC than go to the title game and play WVU. The Big Ten bashing is getting completely out of hand around here.

mich getting beat by app state, it happens? no, no it doesnt happen. thats the point. now, if you want to talk about reality perhaps i could be of some help, but if you are going to act as if teams like app state beat top 25 teams on the road a couple times a year...well...
i believe what happened on that saturday had never happened before.


wiscy beat ark, if you must know. clearly you're not a football man, so i'll leave you be from here.

gl tonight.



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ps, usc would beat osu by whatever they wanted.

 

[mofome]

I never said Daniel's stats weren't due to the system. I'm a realist and it's realistic to see that you are a clear gator fan that is not going to even admit that MU deserves a shot. Congratulations to the Gators on their 9-3 record and 3rd place finish in the SEC East.

oh really...you never mentioned him as a system qb. odd. how about the much more accurate passer? his passes for less yards per attempt yet hes only 2% higher on his completion percentage. that doesnt seem like someone whos a lot moe accurate to me. strange..

yep, fla finished 3rd. thats 2 spots higher than mizzou would fnish in the sec east.

arty:

 

[bombay24]

oh really...you never mentioned him as a system qb. odd. how about the much more accurate passer? his passes for less yards per attempt yet hes only 2% higher on his completion percentage. that doesnt seem like someone whos a lot moe accurate to me. strange..

yep, fla finished 3rd. thats 2 spots higher than mizzou would fnish in the sec east.

arty:

Only 2% higher. Regardless that's more accurate considering he has thrown the ball 175 more times than Tebow and has 800 yards more passing. Tebow's stats are due to his system, as are Daniel's.

Now for my favorite part of a post of this entire thread "yep, fla finished 3rd. thats 2 spots higher than mizzou would fnish in the sec east." Aren't you the same guy that was criticizing others for making such posts. How can you make such a post when there is no trace of evidence that would lead anyone to believe this. After such a comment I'm done with you. As others have said, you aren't worth my time. Enjoy that 9-3 record and 3rd place finish in the SEC East. Isn't it great that regardless of wether Mizzou loses their final two games they still can't finish worse than Florida? arty:


P.S.- Isn't it about that time where you need to ask Tim if he prefers you to spit or swallow? :drink::finger::drink:

 

[PokerKingJim]

mich getting beat by app state, it happens? no, no it doesnt happen. thats the point. now, if you want to talk about reality perhaps i could be of some help, but if you are going to act as if teams like app state beat top 25 teams on the road a couple times a year...well...
i believe what happened on that saturday had never happened before.


wiscy beat ark, if you must know. clearly you're not a football man, so i'll leave you be from here.

gl tonight.



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ps, usc would beat osu by whatever they wanted.

You act like teams like Stanford go on the road and beat USC every week - no it doesn't just happen. Why does USC get a pass but Michigan doesnt? If App St and Stanford played on a neutral field this weekend, the line would be close to a pk and I'd take App St.

You are right - Wiscy beat Arkansas. They would have beaten Auburn as well

Ohio St plays a home and home with USC starting next season so we will see how that goes regardless. Ohio St may lose to USC this year but to say they could name the score as incredibly asinine. Obviously you are not a football man so I'll leave you be to jerk off on your SEC bed sheets tonight. Cheers

 

[steaktartar]

You act like teams like Stanford go on the road and beat USC every week - no it doesn't just happen. Why does USC get a pass but Michigan doesnt? If App St and Stanford played on a neutral field this weekend, the line would be close to a pk and I'd take App St.

You are right - Wiscy beat Arkansas. They would have beaten Auburn as well

Ohio St plays a home and home with USC starting next season so we will see how that goes regardless. Ohio St may lose to USC this year but to say they could name the score as incredibly asinine

APPY WOULD BE FAVORED.......... by plenty

 

[prodigy]

kentucky is simply not a very good football team.

again, knocking off lsu at home doesnt give you a free pass for the rest of the season.

they have done very little from that win. maybe a come from behind win in a game arkansas gagged might count, but thats probably pushing it. letting two guys run for 130+ against you isnt the mark of a tough, hard nosed team.

the finals might have been close against florida and tennessee but lets be objective -- they were down DD in the 4th quarter at home in both. thats not impressive.

for whatever reason, people are enamored with kentucky because they have a good quarterback. but the defense is atrocious. and even the offense has been playing from DD behind in every meaningful game.

theyre simply not very good. better than theyve been? of course. a 'good' football team? not really. theyre another one of those teams that is proof that there are too many bowl games.

 

[steaktartar]

kentucky is simply not a very good football team.

again, knocking off lsu at home doesnt give you a free pass for the rest of the season.

they have done very little from that win. maybe a come from behind win in a game arkansas gagged might count, but thats probably pushing it. letting two guys run for 130+ against you isnt the mark of a tough, hard nosed team.

the finals might have been close against florida and tennessee but lets be objective -- they were down DD in the 4th quarter at home in both. thats not impressive.

for whatever reason, people are enamored with kentucky because they have a good quarterback. but the defense is atrocious. and even the offense has been playing from DD behind in every meaningful game.

theyre simply not very good. better than theyve been? of course. a 'good' football team? not really. theyre another one of those teams that is proof that there are too many bowl games.

all sec defenses this year were bad by their standards unreal scores like the wac of the 70's and 80's

 

[prodigy]

all sec defenses this year were bad by their standards unreal scores like the wac of the 70's and 80's

yep. tennessee fans have been cringing at how bad the vols defense has been this year. georgia isnt as tough as normal. lsu, for all their hype, havent lived up to expectations. auburn is the only team who has brought their D week in and week out.

 

[dr.vegas]

Missouri would be lucky to finish 5th place in the SEC

Man, don't be a bitter pill. I am not saying Mizzou is the best team in the nation but under the present system (we should have a play-off) they deserve the chance unless they lose this weekend. By the way, do you still have Zambrano rested for that big game four against Arizona?
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[whormoan]

yep. tennessee fans have been cringing at how bad the vols defense has been this year. georgia isnt as tough as normal. lsu, for all their hype, havent lived up to expectations. auburn is the only team who has brought their D week in and week out.

Wait til the draft and tell me where the 1st rd picks come from

 

[prodigy]

Wait til the draft and tell me where the 1st rd picks come from

not arguing that. point is they havent played to their immense potential. hell, miami is going to have a shitload of guys drafted in the first four rounds and yet they are an absolute embarrassment to the U right now. there is no reason for lsu to be allowing the kinds of yards and points they are allowing this year. they are way too good to not be dominant.

 

[TTinCO]

there is no reason for lsu to be allowing the kinds of yards and points they are allowing this year. they are way too good to not be dominant.

And their DC Pelini is going to be named Nebraska's head coach tomorrow afternoon

:smoking:

 

[steaktartar]

Wait til the draft and tell me where the 1st rd picks come from

whormoan i am an sec guy have been for 25 years this was down down year for defenses........individual talent athletes as always sec will have the most in the NFL

 

[Cusipz]

Wait til the draft and tell me where the 1st rd picks come from

USC will have at least 3 1st round draft picks. I expect only 2 from LSU.

 

[whormoan]

USC will have at least 3 1st round draft picks. I expect only 2 from LSU.

If that is true (and I have my doubts), you know who my money will be on to produce in the pros. The USC guys get drafted high because of the hype. Can you say Keneche Udeze (top 10), Chris Claiborne (top 10 and out of the league).

In all seriousness, has any school had 3 top 20 picks all get booted from the league in their first few yrs the way Claiborne, Mike Williams and RJ Soward did (not to mention John Michaels in Green bay)

 

[rayray]

keep hearing all this talk about oh.st. and mizzu not beating any good teams....well, who the fuk has florida beaten???

tennessee.....shitty road team(only quality win i guess you could say)
s.carolina.... ha, finish 6-6
kentucky.... overachievers finish 7-5(luckiest team in sec)
vandy..... 5-7 horrible
fsu....7-5 horrible
troy....... good small school that couldnt compete in a big conference
fla. atlantic.... horrible
ole miss....horrible
w.kentucky... horrible

so lemme get this straight.... they lose to the 3 good teams that they played against (tenn. wasnt 100% when they beat them but doesnt matter as they suck on the road) but people feel they are a top 3 team....cmon beat someone good, then talk to me. just because you came close to beating a few teams doesnt make them as good as people think. they lost, period.

silly debate because there will never be answers to many questions(just a bunch of homer opinions) but if you want to talk about the lack of quality wins by big schools, you dont have to look any further than florida.