Mansion Sportsbook: Did these guys have a plan after all?

[gbogo]

wil i hope you can get them back

 

[OMNIVOROUS FROG]

You always do your best wil. That is why I love you. I have always maintained, exchanges are the future. Let me counsel Doug. He is normally a great guy and responsible forum member. We need everyone on the same page to get Mansion on board. Come on Doug, goobu gabu, goobu, gabu, one of us. I hope that special chant works.

Best wishes...OF

 

[kidslick]

hey frog i see you are making new friends next door, a poster by the name of
Caliente

he seems to like you

 

[OMNIVOROUS FROG]

Let's see, he agrees with Raiders, attacks Bucs in his own MLB thread, and hangs out in the dump. Raiders ghosting again? That is what he is known for. Copy and paste, or sick his ghosts on you backing up his ludicrous rants. He tries to fit in, but is more shit in than anything. As in shit in your hand, now what do you have, a fresh Raiders. The forum wannabe bully stuck with his same lame games. I think the best ever was when Royalbasher was tag teaming with Identity and Raiders attacking me. Talk about a meeting of the mindless.

Best Wishes...OF :missingte

 

[SportSavant]

going forward we will have to BAN the word MANSION, simple as that....

I am getting into the software now to fix this problem.

 

[Doug]

My point is it is hard for The Rx. to interest a sponser in paying for a banner when they already get a ton of free publicity by threads like the one you just started.

I know a lot of Rxers like Mansion so I try to give them some leeway but at the same time we have to remember the books that pay to keep the site operating and be fair to them whenever possible.

The line is fine between allowing free discussion by posters about all sportsbooks and censorship of the same posters because they may take advantage of that freedom to delibrately promote a book for free here at The Rx.

I honestly feel your interest in Mansion is healthy and in the best interests of your fellow posters.



wil.

Wil: Sorry I'll refrain from talking about books in the offshore forum, it's too off topic, glad to see Frog back !

A banner link to a book should be helped by discussion, IMO. Guess the banner didn't work too good for BCN ?

are we unable to discuss books without banners, going forward ? I'll try not to mention MANSION,SIA, Bowman's, etc. in the future !

 

[wilheim]

Doug, please re-read my post - I never said you or anyone else could not discuss banner or non banner books in the Offshore forum. We try to let any honest discussions about all books go unhindered in this forum - its only when agenda gets involved that moderators have to get involved or natrually to offer assistance when that kind of thread appears.



Discuss away.


wil.

 

[Doug]

I don't think anyone believes I have an agenda. I like Mansion, I severely doubt they make money personally which is a huge red-flag right there, but they pay their players. They seem to be in for the long term and accept years of losses to start. I can't prove they lose money now, but doubt they are profitable, just well backed.

 

[wilheim]

As far as not having an agenda goes -- I know that Doug.

I honestly feel your interest in Mansion is healthy and in the best interests of your fellow posters.

I posted earlier in thread...


wil.

 

[Woody0]

going forward we will have to BAN the word MANSION, simple as that....

I am getting into the software now to fix this problem.

Why not have the software replace MA***** with MATCHBOOK? Would that be OK? :lolBIG:

 

[nimue77]

Mansion does not generally beat the sharps to the moves. The sharps are faster to the old line at mansion and therefore mansion changes faster. And in the current model that means they take whatever max they offered on the exchange...as opposed to the past when everyone could nail the sportsbook until they moved.


edit: just noticed this thread is a a year and a half old.

Guys, this is going to be one of those threads where we are all invited to speculate and where the real value of the discussion will be found in the arguments achieved through rational open discussion.

Mansion Sportsbook... I'll quote whatever bits of information I had on these guys few months ago (09.26.04 in this thread):

During the last 3 months, most of the sharp players I have talked to were concerned about the lines Mansion was dealing. They seemed to be soft and pretty much open for pillaging. Not any longer. It seems the guys @ Mansion are now being fed prime time info and they're beating a lot of SHARP guys to the numbers. They seem to be anticipating the moves...

How would that be possible?

• They have welcomed all the sharp players in the American market. They might have already figured out which of them generate the moves, hence anticipating the steam
• When it comes to the PL (soccer), we need to remember these guys have access to big action from Asian credit heavyweights HOURS before the European and American markets even open. The line moves in the Premier League are insane.
• Rumor has it, the main guy behind this operation is not only filthy rotten rich, he's also a HUGE gambler... we know about the offsetting values of a BOOKMAKING-BETTING OUT model...

It looks like these guys had a plan after all... they might have been out to create a following and a niche in an extremely competitive market.

I still think it's to early to lower the guard... specially if you're a post-up player... I think the risk factor is still a very significative part of the formula with these guys...

I know many guys are wondering what to do after NFL... get out? Stay and play buckets? How long can you guys profit at this rate?

I think the proof will be in the pudding... Mansion might be up to a very big 'run in the bank' after Super Bowl Sunday if players decide to test their financial stability and the promptness if their payouts... hopefully, they won't miss a beat.

Good luck, snipers and please stop by and comment... inquiring minds want to know...

 

[Sugarbear]

I don't want to disrespect an advertiser here with a lot of speculation but something's got to change. I think at times we outsmart ourselves and look too deeply at things, this may be one of them. To be blunt there is no way this place can continue on the way they have, it's not possible.

As far as the talk of the deep pockets and checking to make sure they got money put here and there, why bother? Someone decides they are going to stiff you then there is nothing you can do about it. All the money in China means little when someone has had enough with their latest "toy". Besides I've noticed one common physical affliction that often goes with deep pockets ---> short arms. These guys get frustrated with the business they have two choices no matter how much money they have, take care of everyone at the cost of tons of cash on their way to the airport, or run with all the post up money and face a few angry posts from us internet suckers. Amazing how many times they chose the latter.

Anyway not singling out Mansion, I can't say what their intentions are, hell maybe they are pissing away a load of money just to have some fun. I can tell you what the intentions of the Greek, CRIS, Grande, WSEX and a couple others are, they've passed the longevity test. Tread lightly but once you notice other sharps and wiseguys pushing the book all over the forums that means they are leaving the carcass behind and want their money out, get the hell out of Dodge if it isn't already too late. 'Nuff said.[/quote]



I think they were left behind by the wise not to long ago. For a time they straightned up and some said they made progress. It was the wise and thats a bad sign but the tell was they want from lax to sharp. I said the guy was being pimped on MW back in March or April. He got sweet talked into a deal because wanted to be a a bookie and got in over his head. He gotin trouble and they worked him. So he went from shaky, to semi solid wise guys favorite, to everyone gushing how easy its been there and calling them the House Of Extreme Value, to scraping up customers and cash flow with a desprate offer.


The real thread to this subject sits on MW. I have been down with ACW, Sky, Patrick and others of note for awhile.

To quote ACW 04. "What a victim this is. And 4/06 he announced that he believed they were in there final days and I dont disagree.


There is more stuff in here but no reason to bump it. I will play by your rules and say as long as he can pay, he is SOLID. GOOD LUCK.

 

[AlwaysKeen]

just playing devil's advocate again here...if mansion's pockets are so deep, how come they went to -107 in college football from -104?...

 

[Doug]

To get people to make offers.

 

[Sugarbear]

just playing devil's advocate again here...if mansion's pockets are so deep, how come they went to -107 in college football from -104?...

Because to many people were picking them apart at 04. Its an irresitble flame for wise guy and jr wise guys alike. Just sets up to many easy scalps and increases exposure both in volume and in what you have to bet out, to try and balance/hedge. You can add they dont really know how to bet out or hedge in there model of how they do things. Its obvious to me.


Its like I have been saying all along, there bookmaking acumen SUCKS. A book that in its third year now continues to seed the exchange more often than not. Thats for sharps only and they have been picked apart clean in this Aspect of there buisness, BIG TIME. If you dont know how to book, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING RUNNING AN EXCHANGE?????! Forget the casino's.

They are an embaressment to to the bookmaking institution on both sides of the ocean. Purely pathetic. I suggest they get someone in Chair who knows what there doing in the book and then go get a completly seprate new person for the exchange and try again!


That or quit this aspect of the buisness and stick to the casino(s). If they have any real control over them that is.