Is it Time to ask how good is Joe Burrow

[SheriffJoe]

@PatsFan1283 @CHOPTALK you boys gotta get back to the RX to provide some sensible analysis

Rx got Joe Flacco in the Hall of Fame now lol

Given those guys (and others) were lobbying for QBs like Rivers and Eli Manning, you don't really have a strong case against Flacco.

Rivers? 5-7 in the playoffs, zero rings. Flacco? 10-5 in the playoffs, and not a single interception in his SB MVP year.

If your HOF standard is Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Eli Manning etc., then Flacco absolutely belongs in the HOF.

As for your JoeyB… your ability to evaluate "elite QBs" is only outdone by your talent for mismanaging cap space. No team is winning a title by throwing the vault open for injury-prone, inconsistent QBs like Burrow or Tua.

Franchise wins & losses don't lie. Yep… bad management.

 

[Avocado33]

Given those guys (and others) were lobbying for QBs like Rivers and Eli Manning, you don't really have a strong case against Flacco.

Rivers? 5–7 in the playoffs, zero rings. Flacco? Not a single interception in his SB MVP year.

If your HOF standard is Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, then Flacco absolutely belongs in the HOF.

As for your JoeyB… your ability to evaluate "elite QBs" is only outdone by your talent for mismanaging cap space. No team is winning a title by throwing the vault open for injury-prone, inconsistent QBs like Burrow or Tua. Yep… bad management.

Thing is (as I've stated), I don't believe Rivers should be in the Hall of Fame

But Rivers unquestionably deserves the nod over Joe Flacco. Flacco was never an elite quarterback

He had a great Super Bowl run, but even he was not great that year overall. Hell, he wasn't even good.

 

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BDS is off the charts

something's you just can't make up

 

[SheriffJoe]

Thing is (as I've stated), I don't believe Rivers should be in the Hall of Fame

But Rivers unquestionably deserves the nod over Joe Flacco. Flacco was never an elite quarterback

He had a great Super Bowl run, but even he was not great that year overall. Hell, he wasn't even good.

If Flacco isn't elite, how is he in the top 15% of all-time QBs - with a stellar playoff record and Super Bowl MVP to boot? Joe Flacco is a gamer.

What exactly are your standards for HOF and "elite"?

Your definition of "elite" must be some bizarre cocktail of blind homerism, questionable gay fashion choices, and pure wishful thinking.

Meanwhile, all you clowns mocked "Crazy Joe" when I said: Do NOT pay Tua. Do NOT pay Burrow. Guess who's laughing now? Both franchises are dumpster fires for years to come thanks to those cap-crushing contracts.

 

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Heck Allen may get in the HOF as he has beaten the Chiefs in the regular season

 

[Avocado33]

If Flacco isn't elite, how is he in the top 15% of all-time QBs - with a Super Bowl MVP to boot?

What exactly is your standard for HOF and "elite"?

Your definition of "elite" must be some bizarre cocktail of blind homerism, questionable gay fashion choices, and pure wishful thinking.

Meanwhile, all you clowns mocked "Crazy Joe" when I said: Do NOT pay Tua. Do NOT pay Burrow. Guess who's laughing now? Both franchises are dumpster fires thanks to those cap-crushing contracts.

Top 15% of QBs all-time.....in totals? I sure would hope so if you played 18 seasons in the NFL after 2000

When was Joe Flacco a top 5 QB in the NFL? What NFL season(s)? He was a middle of the road quarterback for the majority of his career.

Rivers and Flacco played in the same era and Rivers has demonstrably better stats across the board. He wasn't good in the playoffs, but he was an elite QB who played for a worse franchise. And I don't think Rivers should get in

Flacco won't make the Hall of Fame so it's pretty much a pointless conversation

 

[Avocado33]

Heck Allen may get in the HOF as he has beaten the Chiefs in the regular season

I do enjoy SheriffJoe's logical consistency of when to place weight on Super Bowls

Flacco is better than Rivers despite Rivers being statistically way better, because Flacco has 1 Super Bowl ring

But Mahomes is somehow not better than Allen despite having an advantage in overall stats, 3-0 advantage in Super Bowl rings and being 4-0 against him the playoffs (an NFL record by the way)

 

[Avocado33]

I remember during the 2011-2015 seasons, thinking the Bengals with Andy Dalton always had an advantage at QB in their games against the Ravens

That's how non-elite Joe Flacco is and always has been lol

 

[SheriffJoe]

I do enjoy SheriffJoe's logical consistency of when to place weight on Super Bowls

Flacco is better than Rivers despite Rivers being statistically way better, because Flacco has 1 Super Bowl ring

But Mahomes is somehow not better than Allen despite having an advantage in overall stats, 3-0 advantage in Super Bowl rings and being 4-0 against him the playoffs (an NFL record by the way)

Ohhh, I see what's happening - you're getting schooled on JoeyB again, so naturally we have to pivot to the classic "Allen vs Mahomes" bullshit.

Remember when you boldly claimed Burrow was BOTH better than Allen AND Mahomes (and even Brady ) and your boy was headed to the HOF? Hahahahaha… priceless.

Here's a little secret only "I" will tell you about Mahomes - something nobody else will.

Ready?

All that "Mahomes Clutch Playoff Magic" you drool over? You know, the big yardage bombs, the wide-open receivers from blown coverage? Andy Reid Specials.

Those plays wouldn't exist outside KC. Anyone thinking Patrick "Russell Wilson 2.0" Mahomes would single-handedly carry their franchise to glory? Get ready for a very rude awakening.

 

[SheriffJoe]

I remember during the 2011-2015 seasons, thinking the Bengals with Andy Dalton always had an advantage at QB in their games against the Ravens

That's how non-elite Joe Flacco is and always has been lol

The Bengals offense since Joe Flacco arrived

Too bad you're hemorrhaging so much cash on an overrated diva QB who's injured more than he's healthy...that you can't even field a high school-level defense.

Hahahahahahaha… your team is soooo stupid it should come with a warning label.

 

[Avocado33]

The Bengals offense since Joe Flacco arrived



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Too bad you've got a defense hemorrhaging cash on on an OVERRATED diva QB who's injured more than he's healthy!

Hahahahahahaha… your team is soooo stupid it should come with a warning label.

Bengals ranked 4th in defensive spending in 2024, but sure keep telling yourself Burrow’s contract is limiting their ability to spend

You have no idea what you’re talking about, as usual

Guess the Chiefs, Rams, and Eagles were all dumb to spend money on QBs

 

[Avocado33]

Remember when you boldly claimed Burrow was BOTH better than Allen AND Mahomes (and even Brady ) and your boy was headed to the HOF? Hahahahaha… priceless.

Show me where I claimed this lol

I know you’re basically just a conspiracy kook troll, but at least try to tell the truth next time

 

[Avocado33]

Ohhh, I see what's happening - you're getting schooled on JoeyB again, so naturally we have to pivot to the classic "Allen vs Mahomes" bullshit.

Lol we were talking about Joe Flacco and the Hall of Fame.

But sure, if that’s how your brain likes to operate

 

[Avocado33]

Gonna blow your mind when Lamar makes the Hall of Fame and Flacco doesn’t

It shouldn’t, but it will

 

[SheriffJoe]

Gonna blow your mind when Lamar makes the Hall of Fame and Flacco doesn’t

It shouldn’t, but it will

Rivers (5-7 Playoffs)
Lamar (2-4 Playoffs)

Brutal.

Flacco (10-5 Playoffs, SB MVP)

Of course...we all know who YOU would pick...and why you'd lose. LOL

 

[Avocado33]

Rivers (5-7 Playoffs)
Lamar (2-4 Playoffs)

Brutal.

Flacco (10-5 Playoffs)

Of course...we all know who YOU would pick...and why you'd lose. LOL

Ask any GM who they’d pick lol

Flacco actually not great in the playoffs overall in his own right 10-6 record is good and SB run was great, but outside of that run he’s been pretty crappy

 

[SheriffJoe]

Bengals ranked 4th in defensive spending in 2024, but sure keep telling yourself Burrow’s contract is limiting their ability to spend

You have no idea what you’re talking about, as usual

Guess the Chiefs, Rams, and Eagles were all dumb to spend money on QBs

Imagine all the elite D talent you could've snagged instead of drowning in that diva QB contract.

How NOT to build a football team:

Chase: $24M
Higgins: $24M
Burrow: $46M (vs 40-year-old Joe Flacco at $1.8M)

And no, Jalen Hurts isn't elite either - probably the Eagles' biggest weak spot.

Take notes, Tua/Burrow/Hurts owners: draft cheap or sign a proven vet for a fraction of the cost, get 85% of the output, spend the rest on actual roster depth = WINNERS.

Wins and losses don't lie. Look at the Dolphins and Bengals: straight-up dumpster fires.

 

[Avocado33]

Take notes, Tua/Burrow/Hurts owners: draft cheap or sign a proven vet for a fraction of the cost, get 85% of the output, spend the rest on actual roster depth = WINNERS.

Last 7 SB-winning QBs:

Brady, Mahomes, Brady, Stafford, Mahomes, Mahomes, Hurts

All "cheap" QBs lol

 

[SheriffJoe]

Last 7 SB-winning QBs:

Brady, Mahomes, Brady, Stafford, Mahomes, Mahomes, Hurts

All "cheap" QBs lol

"Cheap" doesn't mean bad.

There are always proven solid vets around that can win with stacked rosters like the Eagles, who draft and develop well at every position. Eagles won SBs with Foles then Hurts.

The Eagles are the perfect example: they draft and develop well across every position. They built stacked, balanced teams - and won Super Bowls with Nick Foles and then Jalen Hurts.

Let’s be real though: Hurts isn’t elite. He wouldn’t crack most people’s top 10 QBs, yet Philly shelled out franchise money for him. The system and the roster carried him, not the other way around.

Pay the trenches. Build depth. Plug in a smart, proven vet who won't sink your cap - that’s how you win consistently.

So, value wise ---- 2025 Rodgers/Flacco >>> Hurts/Burrow/Tua/Dak etc.

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[SheriffJoe]

The Confused World of Avocado:

"Joe Burrow is an elite HOF QB!" (better than Mahomes, Allen, Brady etc.)

"Joe Flacco is NOT an elite HOF QB"

And yet... Flacco is matching (I would argue outperforming) Burrow’s production - in the same Bengals system that's supposedly so complex and reliant on "elite" QB play. "Elite", meaning we gotta pay him 60M! Gentlemen, that's the very definition of PLUG-AND-PLAY and been my consistent unwavering position on QBs like Burrow for years.

If your "franchise QB" can be swapped out for a 40-year-old vet on a $1.8M contract with equal or better results, that QB is not elite - he's replaceable.

Dropping 42 points and STILL losing because you can’t afford a competent defense? That’s not just irony - that’s cap-hell comedy gold.