The Catholics have been selling that line for 2000 years. Later religions formed as competitors for the trillions of dollars up for grabs. Not to mention the power that goes along with finding lost sheep and herding them for personal whims. Kenneth Copeland did pretty well for himself as is Joel Osteen today.
The Irony is the body actually does exist for eternity, of course in it quantum state.
The atoms collected in your body over 80 years remain for infinity. At some point some of those atoms were a part of a star somewhere out there. Some of those atoms may have been in a cows ass or maybe Hitler's crotch.
Perhaps a T-rex shite out some of your atoms 65 million years ago after a gigantic meal of a Triceratops.
When the brainwaves stop the consciousness is no longer needed, and is turned off too.
Your points mix some truth with a lot of assumption.
Yes, religion has often been exploited for money and power.
That’s a human failing, not a divine one.
But that doesn’t automatically invalidate the existence of God or consciousness beyond the body.
You’re correct that atoms are recycled through the universe.
But atoms aren’t “you.”
The essence of "you", the “observer” of your thoughts isn’t reducible to the physical parts.
Quantum physics doesn’t just show matter’s persistence.
It also reveals that observation itself plays a role in shaping reality.
Hinting at a deeper layer of existence that can’t be explained away by brainwaves alone.
Consciousness is one of science’s great mysteries.
And no credible neuroscientist can prove it simply “turns off” at death.
There’s mounting research into NDEs, true perception and universal consciousness that challenges the materialist view.
So while it’s fine to be skeptical of religion’s abuses it’s not accurate to conclude that consciousness ends just because brain activity ceases.
Evidence increasingly suggests that the “you” that experiences life is not be confined to the atoms you temporarily borrow.
Yes, religion has often been exploited for money and power.
That’s a human failing, not a divine one.
But that doesn’t automatically invalidate the existence of God or consciousness beyond the body.
You’re correct that atoms are recycled through the universe.
But atoms aren’t “you.”
The essence of "you", the “observer” of your thoughts isn’t reducible to the physical parts.
Quantum physics doesn’t just show matter’s persistence.
It also reveals that observation itself plays a role in shaping reality.
Hinting at a deeper layer of existence that can’t be explained away by brainwaves alone.
Consciousness is one of science’s great mysteries.
And no credible neuroscientist can prove it simply “turns off” at death.
There’s mounting research into NDEs, true perception and universal consciousness that challenges the materialist view.
So while it’s fine to be skeptical of religion’s abuses it’s not accurate to conclude that consciousness ends just because brain activity ceases.
Evidence increasingly suggests that the “you” that experiences life is not be confined to the atoms you temporarily borrow.
Pot calling the kettle black?
The truth is today there is no proof that conscience lives past the end of your brain waves. Just last week you stated "the brain is the receiver we use to connect to the greater Universal consciousness". The reason we have people like Trump on earth is because their receiver is broken. They are not receiving the universal truth of love, beauty, caring, ect.
Those are not my assumptions those are yours, you so eloquently shared in this thread.
The fact remains there is no proof our conscience caries on after our brain waves stop. Those are not my assumptions just ask AI.
The observer effect you mention is best described as checking the pressure in your tire. With every measurement a small amount of air escapes. though small with enough tests the tire will be flat.
The double slit experiment shooting electrons thru a double slit creates an interference pattern (waves), the simple act of observing which hole the electron passed thru alters the pattern. It's not human observation its the waves given off by the observation instrument that creates a particle instead of a wave.
Claiming to know what happens after death because there’s “no proof” is like claiming there’s no air at the top of Everest because you haven’t been there.
Bold, but wrong.
Proof is everywhere!
You just can’t see, touch, or measure it.
Which is ironic, since that’s the basis of science.
Pretending the unseen doesn’t exist until it can be put in a jar!!!
Claiming to know what happens after death because there’s “no proof” is like claiming there’s no air at the top of Everest because you haven’t been there.
I have not been to the top of Everest. But, millions of people have, and have returned to offer 1st hand accounts of the experience. Thousands of hours of video at the top of Everest exist for any one interested in watching.
To date no one has returned from "Death" in any state, ghost, zombie, ect to provide a 1st hand account of the experience. By death I mean rotting, zero brain waves, declared dead for 2 weeks, ect. Not one of the 8 billion people who have lived on earth over the last 800,000 years. No video, no pictures, not one shred of evidence.
BTW, There is plenty of air at the top of Everest, just very little oxygen. Yes, I have flown in a 777 over Everest at 39,000 feet on my way to Delhi.
There is plenty of air up there, because the airplane is flying, you can hear it, and the engines are burning O2. Everest is only 29,023 feet and yes Sherpa's have evolved thru natural selection to survive without O2 tanks.
Dead human bodies still mark the path to the top of Everest, to date non of them have stood up and walked back down the MTN to tell their story of death at 29,000 feet.
I have not been to the top of Everest. But, millions of people have, and have returned to offer 1st hand accounts of the experience. Thousands of hours of video at the top of Everest exist for any one interested in watching.
To date no one has returned from "Death" in any state, ghost, zombie, ect to provide a 1st hand account of the experience. By death I mean rotting, zero brain waves, declared dead for 2 weeks, ect. Not one of the 8 billion people who have lived on earth over the last 800,000 years. No video, no pictures, not one shred of evidence.
BTW, There is plenty of air at the top of Everest, just very little oxygen. Yes, I have flown in a 777 over Everest at 39,000 feet on my way to Delhi.
There is plenty of air up there, because the airplane is flying, you can hear it, and the engines are burning O2. Everest is only 29,023 feet and yes Sherpa's have evolved thru natural selection to survive without O2 tanks.
Dead human bodies still mark the path to the top of Everest, to date non of them have stood up and walked back down the MTN to tell their story of death at 29,000 feet.
If you are only looking for corpses to climb out of their graves as “proof,” you’re applying Everest rules to a reality that doesn’t play by them.
Consciousness isn’t a frozen body on a mountain.
It’s the climber who left the gear behind.
The fact that science can’t film, weigh, or touch it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
It just means you are asking a ruler to measure the wind.
It was the loss of consciousness that left the climber on the mountain. It was death that kept him there for the last 50 years. Consciousness is a biological function to keep us from dying on Mt Everest or ever wanting to.
Lose consciousness at 30,000 ft and death soon follows. Loss of Consciousness comes before death. It's a state of insufficient O2 in the brain. Death is just the by product of insufficient O2 levels. Turn off the O2 completely and brain waves stop. Anesthesiologists are some of the best paid Dr's in the world, because people want their consciousness back after surgery
No they are not dead on the table then the Dr revives them. The Dr simply starves the brain of O2, but hopefully not enough to induce biological death.
You cannot prove consciousness exists after death by saying science can not prove a negative? The reason you cannot prove consciousness exists after death is because it doesn't.
Lose consciousness and you don't necessarily die. Die and you defiantly lose consciousness. It's just a biological function of life, just like blood carries O2 to the brain.
Lose consciousness at 30,000 ft and death soon follows. Loss of Consciousness comes before death. It's a state of insufficient O2 in the brain. Death is just the by product of insufficient O2 levels. Turn off the O2 completely and brain waves stop. Anesthesiologists are some of the best paid Dr's in the world, because people want their consciousness back after surgery
No they are not dead on the table then the Dr revives them. The Dr simply starves the brain of O2, but hopefully not enough to induce biological death.
You cannot prove consciousness exists after death by saying science can not prove a negative? The reason you cannot prove consciousness exists after death is because it doesn't.
Lose consciousness and you don't necessarily die. Die and you defiantly lose consciousness. It's just a biological function of life, just like blood carries O2 to the brain.
You are assuming consciousness is created by the brain rather than channeled through it.
But this is incorrect!
Consciousness, while merged with the body in this experience, remains a distinct and separate essence.
Pull the plug on a TV and the show disappears from the screen.
But that doesn’t mean the broadcast signal stopped existing.
"Death" ends the body’s reception, not the signal!
Humans only receive and interpret your mysterious signal, they never become the signal?
Unplug the human and reception stops, no spiritual merger with the signal, just like a TV.
Game, set, match!
Exactly.
The body is the receiver and consciousness is the broadcast.
Pull the plug and the show disappears from that screen.
But the signal?
It's still out there... infinite and untouched!
Checkmate!
With your constant refusal to provide any proof of any of your claims. I rest my case.
When you do find some proof make sure to speak up. A good laugh is always welcomed.
My proof is in my NDE, and in countless others’.
Even “science” confirms people who experience NDEs report strikingly similar journeys.
Yet they don’t know each other exists.
Why?
Because it’s more real than this reality we call life.
You can’t demand “proof” from others when you haven’t substantiated your own claims.
If you’re the plaintiff here…
Congratulations, you just lost the case!
