you did see where i said i was exagerating about top 15 , didnt you ? i said it 3 or 4 times...
where did i ever say that oswalt is a better pitcher than clemens , johnson or maddux ? where have i ever mentioned maddux at all ? maddux was awesome from 1988 to 2004. ya , i do think oswalt has had a better overall stretch from 2000-2010 than rj and rc .. and that is all i said.
i have only been talking about 2000-2010 .. you seem to forget that every time you post here .. go ahead and make up some more stuff that i said..
You forgot to mention that during that stretch RJ was 36-46 years old while Halladay was in his early 20's and that RJ won 3 Cy Youngs (award for best pitcher in their respective league if you needed a reminder) and that RJ has him topped in strikeouts and ERA. But...go ahead and believe your numbers and what they tell you.
You were exagertating big time and that was my point of the argument. Halladay tossing a gem and all of the sudden he's top 15 of all time. Now that you've had time to reflect, you've backed down from that claim.
You didn't place Maddux in the Oswalt argument but to claim he even sniffs RJ or Clemen's dingleberries says a lot about what you know about the game of baseball.
I never said felix sucked he is a great young pitcher but not comparable to what doc has done......
10 shutouts 1 was a ND
out of his 10 losses the phils scored 3or less in 9 of them and he had 2 ND's the phils scored 3 in one game and scored 1 run in the other which went to extra inn.
he could've easily beat bob welch had the phils not put up donuts in his losses and we should start calling him cy...
10 shutouts 1 was a ND
out of his 10 losses the phils scored 3or less in 9 of them and he had 2 ND's the phils scored 3 in one game and scored 1 run in the other which went to extra inn.
he could've easily beat bob welch had the phils not put up donuts in his losses and we should start calling him cy...
you are making it sound like i said oswalt is better than clemens and johnson career wise . again something i never said..
and for the record , i called what i said an exageration about an hour or so after i started this thread.. of course halladay isnt top 15 all time..
Never compared the two at all. Both have had great years. That said, his numbers are very comparable to Doc Halladay.
Felix 2010 - 13-12, 2.27 ERA, 232Ks, WHIP 1,057.
Roy H 2010 - 21-10, 2.44 ERA, 219Ks, WHIP 1,041.
Halladay almost had as many losses with that offense compared to Seattle's offense. Very telling.
Look, I like Halladay and am a fan. He is a true professional in every sense of the word but some threads on these boards deserve some criticism. Could Halladay be a HOF pitcher some day? Yes. Should he be considered the best pitcher in baseball this year? You could make a good argument.
Is he a top 15 of all time pitcher? Hell no...he's not even top 25. Is he a sure-fire HOF pitcher right now? No. Is he better right now than Maddux, RJ, Clemens, Smoltz? No.
That's all that really needs to be said.
Lets put Roy in the top 40 of all time if in the next 5 years he racks up 70 more wins he will be historically considered that without any fear of responsible contradiction. He's great, but in recent times so were Pedro, Randy Johnson & Maddox. I think he is about to enter that class.
About OM Teds top 30 very informative but Bob Feller at 27 is just silly, he definitely is top 15 maybe top 10.
How about the 3 who had brief careers Joe Wood, Dizzy Dean & Koufax how can they be excluded.
Best lefthanded pitcher Bob Grove
Best righthanded pitcher W. Johnson
About OM Teds top 30 very informative but Bob Feller at 27 is just silly, he definitely is top 15 maybe top 10.
How about the 3 who had brief careers Joe Wood, Dizzy Dean & Koufax how can they be excluded.
Best lefthanded pitcher Bob Grove
Best righthanded pitcher W. Johnson
again you are trying to twist this conversation into a career wise argument. nobody ever said career . until you realize i was only talking 2000-2010 , then i am done with you here . go ahead again and try and make an argument than clemens had a better 2000 to 2010 than oswalt did .. and over the entire time frame , oswalt's numbers are comparable to johnson's as well. 150-83 3.18 era . i know , no cy youngs.. but in your mind consitency over THAT ENTIRE TIME FRAME doesnt matter.
you know what , dont try and say anything... it will just be another twisted version of what the topic has been here .
