i dont care about johnson's 3 cy youngs . from 2003 on he was 79-60 . hardly someone i would clasify as pitcher of the decade.
clemens is a cheater and didnt pitch in 2008 ,2009 or 2010 . he had 107 wins in the 2000's . again i'll take halladay and oswalt and their 160-79 and 150-83 records for the decade. and oswalt's record includes a 13-13 year with a 2.76 era... nice run support... who doesnt know what they are talking about ?
halladay will be awarded his 2nd cy young this year..
Seriously drop your argument WNO, you were owned. You can't consider someone a pitcher of the decade & discredit part of it for some pitchers but not others. That right there shows your argument is without merit. His Halladay a great pitcher? Absolutely without question, but to just hand him pitcher of the decade when others have put up similar or better numbers is beyond ludicrous.
You are something else and by naming Roy Oswalt as a better pitcher than RJ and Clemens you all but admit you're a basball retard.
You don't care about RJ's 3 Cy Youngs? Yeah, I'd leave those off as well when talking about who's the best pitcher of the decade. You simply don't exclude three of the years to make your argument easier to stomach. Again, from 2000-2009, RJ was 143-78 and won three Cy Young awards and he was in his late 30's and early 40's. The guy actually finished in the top 7 for the MVP award in 2002.
How many Cy Young Awards does Roy Oswalt have in his career? Tell me this is all a joke please.
how was i owned ? winning the cy young 3 times over halladay's soon to be 2 automatically gives johnson the pitcher of the 2000's ?
not discrediting johnson's 2000 , 2001 and 2002 . great years for sure. i am just not impressed with 79-60 for the rest of the 2000's . last time i checked 2003 , 2007 , 2008 and 2009 were also years in the 2000's . 29-27 during that stretch..
again , i'll take halladay and his 160-79 record over johnson's 143-78 . much more consistent .
wow doc gets no respect from some of you....oswalt C'MON MAN doc will be top 15 easy by the end of his career and felix would be 26 -3 lol he was a 500 pitcher this year because his team couldn't score well the phils had a lot of problems scoring for halladay and he still won 20...
he faced the yanks, sox and even the rays the last couple of seasons and he was still dominant he got no recognition because he played in t.o. but yankee and sox fans will tell you he is a great one francona called him "cy young" after a game a few years back in mid summer.... I think he's better than rj not maddux and definitely schillng you've probably watched him pitch 2-3 games because you have no clue what you r talking about..
lets hear from some yankee and sox fans who have watched him pitch and we'll see what they think about doc..
felix hernandez lol..... you have problems
he faced the yanks, sox and even the rays the last couple of seasons and he was still dominant he got no recognition because he played in t.o. but yankee and sox fans will tell you he is a great one francona called him "cy young" after a game a few years back in mid summer.... I think he's better than rj not maddux and definitely schillng you've probably watched him pitch 2-3 games because you have no clue what you r talking about..
lets hear from some yankee and sox fans who have watched him pitch and we'll see what they think about doc..
felix hernandez lol..... you have problems
take any pitcher you want during the time frame of 2000 thru 2010 . which are the years i have only been talking about. then go ahead and grab the best 7 or 8 years any of those pitchers had during that time frame. halladays best 8 years 138-61 2.93 era. hell , 2000 and 2001 he only had 29 total starts.
clemens 107 wins beat that easily... ya right.. johnson 143-78 beats that too ... not.. johnson's best years were 1993-2002 . he had to join the yankees in 2005 and 2006 so he could win while allowing 5 earned runs a game.
clemens 107 wins beat that easily... ya right.. johnson 143-78 beats that too ... not.. johnson's best years were 1993-2002 . he had to join the yankees in 2005 and 2006 so he could win while allowing 5 earned runs a game.
Talk about a guy that doesn't follow baseball. You can try to pretend like you what you're talking about as well.
The Mariners averaged around 3.1 runs per game for Hernandez. That is the second worst run support for any AL starter. IN HIS 12 LOSSES, THE MARINERS SCORED A TOTAL OF SEVEN RUNS WHILE HE WAS IN THE GAME PITCHING. The Mariners have scored one run or fewer in 10 of his 34 starts, and two runs or fewer in 15 times.
For your information, I am a Yankees fan & have seen Halladay pitch. He is a great pitcher, no question. However your argument has been shot down legitimately. When you say pitcher of the decade, that is all 10 years, not just the best 7 or 8 to help your argument. Go ask players who they feared facing or was more dominant, Johnson or Halladay. I can guarantee they would say Johnson. Hell Johnson & C.S. won a World Series alone practically against the Yankees, he was that good.
i understand that . those years would also include johnson's 29-27 record for 2003,7,8,9. johnson could be labled the best from 1993 to 2002 . not 2000-2010.
so now its who they feared which determines best pitcher of 2000-2010 ? i thought record would be the number one factor . thanks for correcting me.
