Journeyman said:
his inside the 20 punts were coffin corner really inside the 10 or 5
put anyone you want on the 50 tell them to kick it out at the one yard line
Ray Guy -600
Field + 800
todays punter just can't get it done they just kick the ball down the middle of the field there I20 is mostly FC between 15/10
Journeyman said:
Agree Jman..I doubt Johnny Unitas would make a NFL team these days or even Terry Bradshaw..Need to judge by the era you played in.
Also I dont know if the NFL keeps stats on hangtime or how many times a team calls a fair catch on a punters punt. But Guy would punt them long and with so much hangtime alot of fair catches were made.
Wrigley said:
That is why "net avg" is the most important stat for punters. His net is just as bad as his punting average.
There aren't many intangibles with punting as their are at other positions in football. I can't believe people would make an argument for this guy to get in the Hall of Fame just because he had hang time and could coffin corner kick.
Wrigley:
Unitas or Bradshaw would be even better today in terms of stats or any other barometer you want to use. It is easier to play QB now than it was then because of all the rules protecting the QB and favoring the passing game adn receivers. And where is their a quarterback with a more accurate arm than Unitas or a better leader?
Only Brady and Manning are even in his class and I'm being charitable. And Bradshaw was a great leader and has a stronger arm than anybody playing today. Along with the fact that they both called their own plays.
Unitas or Bradshaw would be even better today in terms of stats or any other barometer you want to use. It is easier to play QB now than it was then because of all the rules protecting the QB and favoring the passing game adn receivers. And where is their a quarterback with a more accurate arm than Unitas or a better leader?
Only Brady and Manning are even in his class and I'm being charitable. And Bradshaw was a great leader and has a stronger arm than anybody playing today. Along with the fact that they both called their own plays.
Been reading thread. Couple points
1) Punter more important in bygone era (pre 1985) as game more about field position and ball security before rules changed to promote scoring through passing game
2) Concerning Ray Guy: booming punter with great height on punts with sometimes outkicking coverage(remember special teams were an afterthought compared to today regarding athletes and coverage was not as good way back when) leading to some long runbacks. Guy was not a coffin kicking punter like his peers. His kicks inside the twenty were 45, 50, 55 yard punts from his side of midfield. Guy, I repeat, did not go for coffin corner with the regularity of his peers. Many times Guy would get a 48 yard punt or longer with a TB(adding to that was better furndamentals by returners that placed heels on 10 and if forced to go back and get punt would let it go--today, how many punts are fielded at 5,6,7,8 ...way too many for my liking)
Best argument for Guy was that he could changed field position with his leg and in an era of field position with less scoring he was valuable.
Other great punters of his era were Jerrel Wilson of Chiefs, Bobby Joe Green of Bears and Biilly Van Huesen(I think that's his name) of Broncos.
1) Punter more important in bygone era (pre 1985) as game more about field position and ball security before rules changed to promote scoring through passing game
2) Concerning Ray Guy: booming punter with great height on punts with sometimes outkicking coverage(remember special teams were an afterthought compared to today regarding athletes and coverage was not as good way back when) leading to some long runbacks. Guy was not a coffin kicking punter like his peers. His kicks inside the twenty were 45, 50, 55 yard punts from his side of midfield. Guy, I repeat, did not go for coffin corner with the regularity of his peers. Many times Guy would get a 48 yard punt or longer with a TB(adding to that was better furndamentals by returners that placed heels on 10 and if forced to go back and get punt would let it go--today, how many punts are fielded at 5,6,7,8 ...way too many for my liking)
Best argument for Guy was that he could changed field position with his leg and in an era of field position with less scoring he was valuable.
Other great punters of his era were Jerrel Wilson of Chiefs, Bobby Joe Green of Bears and Biilly Van Huesen(I think that's his name) of Broncos.
bulldog77 said:
Johnny Unitas speed would not work in todays game he would have to ditch the High tops.
Then lets compare defensive linemen how about HOF Alan Page he weighed at most 215 pounds he would not make it in todays game.
Or the all time interception leader Paul Krause no way he could keep up with the speedy wide receivers of todays game.
- Punted 1,049 times for 44,493 yards, averaging 42.4 yards per punt (typical 2006 average, 43), with a 33.8 net yards average (typical 2006 average, 37)
- Had 210 punts in the 20 (not counting his first 3 seasons, when the NFL did not keep track of this stat), with just 128 touchbacks (the ratio of 'in the 20' to touchbacks is 1.64, and would have been 29th best in the NFL in 2006)
Would be below average in today's game.
- Had 210 punts in the 20 (not counting his first 3 seasons, when the NFL did not keep track of this stat), with just 128 touchbacks (the ratio of 'in the 20' to touchbacks is 1.64, and would have been 29th best in the NFL in 2006)
Would be below average in today's game.
barman said:
Can thank wilheim for the avatar.
Anyone remember Jerrel Wilson's leg kick on the follow through after he punted ball? Pretty funky and sort of similar in quirkiness to Dick Barnett's leg snap or kick on his jump shot. Barnett started alongside Clyde with Knicks on first championship team 1970.
