Government Shutdown

[rolltide]

These Teahaddists would burn this country to the ground if they thought there was a chance they could catch Obama in the flames. Don't underestimate their desire to crash our economy. It's borderline treason IMO.

almond joy's got nuts, mounds don't

 

[Doug]

name one government progam that's worked efficiently. One.

usps

 

[aceduecetrey]

usps

Isn't the USPS something like $15,000,000,000.00 in debt or something like that?

 

[skoda]

Piss on the whole government shut all of it down. In the past 25 yrs is the worst I've ever seen out of the Federal Government. And this wanna be gangster we have as a President now is the worst thing I have ever seen in my life. Lock The White House up and tell them all good fucking luck.

UNIONS or as I say ONIONS No FKING good in Government.

 

[festeringZit]

usps

you're joking right?

 

[Doug]

Isn't the USPS something like $15,000,000,000.00 in debt or something like that?

that's just last week....

 

[Cyyyyk]

I wish someone would clue me in on how this works. I must be missing something.

I was always taught in Civics class that ALL spending bills start in the House of Reps , go to the Senate and then the Pres signs it.

So if the House passes a Spending Bill, and it already has....1 last week and another today, just how exactly do the "Tea Party", which has exactly 3 votes in the Senate and none at the WH.....How does the House "shut down" the Govt ???

The only way i see a Govt shutdown, and i admit i took Civics many many years ago, is if the Senate and WH say No to the Spending Bill. That would be the same as saying We dont care if spending Bills start in the House you will pass the Bill the way we want it or we wont pass it at all. The people will have no say in the way we run the country....To Hell with the Constitution you will do as we say or else...

Another thing i dont understand......This "delaying the ACA" for a year. Already the President has waived the ACA requirements for over 1000 businesses and unions, He has delayed the Employer having to enroll all their employees in it for a year (this gives them 1 year to either disband their healthcare program, and over 30,000 have or cut all their employees hours to 30 a week making them exempt from having to pay for insurance) and signed an order saying ALL of Congress AND their aides , who's starting salaries avg around $150,000 a yr will have their ACA insurance payments paid for by the Govt because to pay for it would be to much of a burden............So basically EVERYONE but working Taxpayers (whos avg salaries are i believe closer to HALF of that of Congressional employees) ARE ALREADY EXEMPT from the ACA either permanently or for 1 year.

I have to be totally wrong about this on virtually every point because otherwise what we would have here is a Ruling Class of people passing laws that only affect the working class people and doing so by telling the Congress what THEY want instead of as the Constitution says Congress passing a Bill the people want. Why wouldnt that be at least Tyranny and at worst a Dictatorship??

Now i know nobody can find any points in my above scenario that im wrong about , though there are a LOT of clueless people who are ignorant to the way the Govt works and who really think that here 2 days before the deadline this just starting being talked about. You see Congress has been talking and debating this for a few months now. But The WH and Senate leadership HAS NEVER TALKED ABOUT IT AND REFUSE TO DO SO.....We are negotiating with Iran, Al-Queda and the Muslim Brotherhood about various issues but our Govt has declared their refusal to negotiate this Bill with anybody!!! So exactly how is the House of Representatives "shutting down the Govt" ??? I must be missing something somewhere...

PS.....The Democrats ARE burning this country and its constitution to the ground as a way to form a 1 party government, the only thing they are lacking is a complete crashing of the Economy which they are now prepared to do. You may have heard of a 1 party Govt , its usually referred to as a Tyrannical Govt. But alas forming a tyrannical govt would be a Treasonous Act ....So we have a group who stand for Treason accusing those who stand against Treason of being for Treason.......Are we talking about the Govt or a Saturday Night Live skit???

Thank you. Very well said.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Shut it down? Why not? If not now, when? After the economy implodes under the weight of the ACA? The out of control spending? When the Fed stops printing money and interset rates hit double digits and the DOW crashes?

When you're in a deep hole you just need to stop digging.

 

[Michelangelo]

PPP, great post. I'm waiting for an intelligent response.

 

[Enfuego]

It's happening tomorrow gents.

Most government civilians are going into work, receiving their furlough letters and then going home without pay.

Forest service, some TSA employees etc. The reach is astounding.

 

[joebatters]

Isn't the USPS something like $15,000,000,000.00 in debt or something like that?

The post office was actually making money a few years ago. The problem is, if usps makes money they are part of the government, and government can do whatever they want with the profit. Like that pre-funding retirement bullshit. And if usps is losing money it is left to fend for itself.

 

[cocktailsnlongshots+]

John Boehner and actor Phillip Baker Hall brothers?

 

[JohnnyMac]

Isn't the USPS something like $15,000,000,000.00 in debt or something like that?

During George W. Bush's presidency, legislation was passed that forced the USPS to pre-fund their pensions 75 years in advance. That is the only reason the USPS "loses" money.

There is not one private company that is forced to operate under the same (ridiculous) mandate.

Essentially, this mandate is a Republican attempt to break the postal union and an attempt to allow private companies like FedEx and UPS to privatize our mail delivery (at a higher price to the consumers, I'm sure). Both things are bad for the middle class.

 

[NickPappagiorgio]

During George W. Bush's presidency, legislation was passed that forced the USPS to pre-fund their pensions 75 years in advance. That is the only reason the USPS "loses" money.

There is not one private company that is forced to operate under the same (ridiculous) mandate.

Essentially, this mandate is a Republican attempt to break the postal union and an attempt to allow private companies like FedEx and UPS to privatize our mail delivery (at a higher price to the consumers, I'm sure). Both things are bad for the middle class.

While both parties like to talk about the middle class, neither party gives a shit about the middle class. The Dems care about the low income people while the Repubs care about the high income people. If there was a 3rd party that catered to the middle class they would never lose an election, which is why the other 2 parties wont ever let one in.

 

[neverbend]

Piss on the whole government shut all of it down. In the past 25 yrs is the worst I've ever seen out of the Federal Government. And this wanna be gangster we have as a President now is the worst thing I have ever seen in my life. Lock The White House up and tell them all good fucking luck.

Right on!!!! The last 25 years have been a disaster and since BO entered the scene it's been more like catastrophic: Global Warming, Obamacare, Immigration from 3rd world countries gone rampant foodstamps & welfare welcoming them. No wonder since the politically correct contingent gained prominence the fortunes of the once mighty US has tended downward.

 

[Willie99]

During George W. Bush's presidency, legislation was passed that forced the USPS to pre-fund their pensions 75 years in advance. That is the only reason the USPS "loses" money.

There is not one private company that is forced to operate under the same (ridiculous) mandate.

Essentially, this mandate is a Republican attempt to break the postal union and an attempt to allow private companies like FedEx and UPS to privatize our mail delivery (at a higher price to the consumers, I'm sure). Both things are bad for the middle class.

seriously? have you heard about scanning and e-mailing documents? how about e-mail potential customers instead of using cards? or how about the fact that the competition provides a better / more reliable service?

the post office is having problems because their volume has fallen off the charts

and when on god's good earth did unions ever complain about their pension plans being funded too much?

 

[festeringZit]

During George W. Bush's presidency, legislation was passed that forced the USPS to pre-fund their pensions 75 years in advance. That is the only reason the USPS "loses" money.

There is not one private company that is forced to operate under the same (ridiculous) mandate.

Essentially, this mandate is a Republican attempt to break the postal union and an attempt to allow private companies like FedEx and UPS to privatize our mail delivery (at a higher price to the consumers, I'm sure). Both things are bad for the middle class.

Cue the libtard response to any and every problem out there:

Duhhh DD DDuh DDDuuuuhhh Ummmm

Bush's Fault.

DDD Duhhhh DDuhhh DDDDuuhhhh

 

[billbeater]

Israel still gets paid while Americans cannot! Stop most or all foreign aid first. Would that not make sense?
$$$$

 

[MattyMatt]

Israel still gets paid while Americans cannot! Stop most or all foreign aid first. Would that not make sense?
$$$$

Too much sense. That's why it's not an option.

 

[Joedogs]

Seriously,why do we continue to give foreign country's boat loads of cash,when the money could be well spent here in the U.S.