Global Warming or Global Bullshit?

[SheriffJoe]

Yeah but to play devil's advocate other places in the world are hotter than hell. Look at Australia? Don't forget last November was the warmest November on record to date. The waters in the arctic are still warmer than ever and there is more carbon in the atmosphere. We can't say climate change is proven wrong because it is cold, cause then we could prove it right when it is hot. I live near Duluth, MN, it's amazing right now, people are able to get to fish areas of Lake Superior on Ice they haven't done in years. Water falls, like the ice glaciers in Cornucoupia WI are being observed for the first time in 5 years, yet 2 summer's ago Duluth broke a record for the most days 90 degrees and above in a row.

So what?

"Climate" has been "changing" since the beginning of time.

The planet was "hotter" during the Roman Empire...did Roman Climatologists try to pin the 'warming' on methane gas from all their animals?

Climate Frauds are yet another group of far left moral busy bodies who need to be defunded.

 

[BleedingPurple]

That certainly would explain how the Russian expedition ship carrying scientists and passengers led by an Australian climate change professor managed to get stuck and needed to be rescued.

Henderson NV is very mild compared to where I live. I'll try to explain it. Water can be warmer in one spot of a lake and still have more ice build up. The Wind plays a major role in ice formation. I guess the winds have been crazy causing this "polar vortex." Case in point last Tuesday I went ice fishing the temp was zero but we had no wind, I didn't need to clean out the holes very often. I went again on Wednesday (Stupid) it was 10 above but there was a 12 MPH wind. I had to clean out the holes every 15 - 20 minutes due to ice build up.

Would much rather have a day - 10 with no wind then a day zero with a big wind.

 

[BleedingPurple]

That certainly would explain how the Russian expedition ship carrying scientists and passengers led by an Australian climate change professor managed to get stuck and needed to be rescued.

Also another case in point using Lake Superior as an example. It can be 50 degrees in early April and no boat is moving in the usual spots, cause the wind is pushing the ice in, pretty much shutting down the area for boating, so extra caution needs to be taken

 

[BleedingPurple]

Complete horse shit.

Inconvenient study: Arctic was warmer than the present during the Medieval Warm Period


New paper finds temperatures were as much as 0.5c warmer in the Arctic during the MWP than today.

The Hockeyschtick reports: A paper published yesterday in Global and Planetary Change reconstructs temperatures in Northern Fennoscandia [within the Arctic circle] over the past 1,600 years and finds more non-hockey-sticks clearly demonstrating that the Arctic was warmer than the present during the Medieval Warm Period. The paper adds to over 1,000 peer-reviewed published non-hockey-sticks finding the Medieval Warm Period was global, as warm or warmer than the present, and that there is nothing unusual, unnatural, or unprecedented about the current warm period.
Furthermore, the authors find a natural 70-80 year oscillation of temperatures, similar to the 60-70 year oscillation of the natural Pacific Decadal Oscillation [PDO].
So much for “Arctic amplification.”
All four of these temperature reconstructions show the Medieval Warm Period ~1000 years ago was warmer than the present [year 2000].

Fig. 1. Different estimates of Northern Fennoscandian temperature anomalies between 400-2000 AD. Shown are the present conventional estimate (T[SUB]torn[/SUB], green) which is rather close to that in Grudd08, the present filtered estimate (T[SUB]long[/SUB], blue), smoothed temperatures of Esper12 (T[SUB]esp[/SUB], red) and smoothed August SST reconstruction from the Norwegian Sea (black).


Fig. 3. August SST [sea surface temperature] reconstructions from the south of Iceland (above, blue) and the Norwegian Sea (below, blue) (modified from Miettinen et al., 2012). Red solid lines show smoothed values.

The new temperature reconstruction presented by this paper shows the Medieval Warm Period [~1000 years ago] in the Arctic was warmer than the present [year 2000] temperatures.

Fig. 4. The present estimate of the climatic temperature anomalies (red, T[SUB]clim[/SUB] = T[SUB]esp[/SUB] + T[SUB]sea[/SUB] + T[SUB]volc[/SUB]), and T[SUB]esp[/SUB] from Fig. 1 (thick blue).

Well then I stand corrected. I used to have a chronic patient, his IQ was 160, very eccentric but he dedicated his life to studying weather, climate etc. He didn't do it for any financial gains, guy was flat ass broke when he died, but very convinced about "Global Warming" He always talked about the Carbon. Now I can believe him, a genius who studied this well before (Gore) or a republican party with an agenda.

 

[BleedingPurple]

So what?

"Climate" has been "changing" since the beginning of time.

The planet was "hotter" during the Roman Empire...did Roman Climatologists try to pin the 'warming' on methane gas from all their animals?

Climate Frauds are yet another group of far left moral busy bodies who need to be defunded.

I think that is too broad a generalization from my previous post

 

[superbeets]

Climate change sceptics are 'headless chickens', says Prince Charles

Prince Charles told his audience 'we have spent the best part of the past century enthusiastically testing the world to utter destruction'. Photograph: Tim Rooke/Rex Features

Charles uses green awards speech at Buckingham Palace to renew attack on 'powerful groups of deniers'


"It is baffling, I must say, that in our modern world we have such blind trust in science and technology that we all accept what science tells us about everything - until, that is, it comes to climate science," the prince said in a speech on Thursday evening.
"All of a sudden, and with a barrage of sheer intimidation, we are told by powerful groups of deniers that the scientists are wrong and we must abandon all our faith in so much overwhelming scientific evidence.​

The prince told the audience of sustainability experts, entrepreneurs, business leaders, and policymakers: "As you may possibly have noticed from time to time, I have tended to make a habit of sticking my head above the parapet and generally getting it shot off for pointing out what has always been blindingly obvious to me.
"Perhaps it has been too uncomfortable for those with vested interests to acknowledge, but we have spent the best part of the past century enthusiastically testing the world to utter destruction; not looking closely enough at the long-term impact our actions will have."


Charles has previously said world leaders must "face down a storm of opposition from all sides" in order to tackle climate change, last year describing those who questioned the need to act as "the incorporated society of syndicated sceptics and the international association of corporate lobbyists".

 

[BleedingPurple]

I do not agree with Charles on this one. The part about global warming or climate change is that the right wing nuts say it is a left wing theory. Well I guess the left wing should take such pride for being smart since the phenomenon was brought up by scientists. Are you guys saying that scientists are left wingers? Another positive for the left. It would be like me saying all right wingers are religious nuts! To me the scientists have been right when compared to right wing religious beliefs,. The denouncement of evolution and thinking the Earth is only 6,000 years old makes them look STUPID!

 

[Acebb]

I do not agree with Charles on this one. The part about global warming or climate change is that the right wing nuts say it is a left wing theory. Well I guess the left wing should take such pride for being smart since the phenomenon was brought up by scientists. Are you guys saying that scientists are left wingers? Another positive for the left. It would be like me saying all right wingers are religious nuts! To me the scientists have been right when compared to right wing religious beliefs,. The denouncement of evolution and thinking the Earth is only 6,000 years old makes them look STUPID!

It is a left wing theory

There is no evidence, anywhere at all, that the globe is warming.

 

[BleedingPurple]

It is a left wing theory

There is no evidence, anywhere at all, that the globe is warming.

Oh it's definitely theory, I don't know how much is left wing, when it was brought up by scientists. I will say the left wing has endorsed it, ate it up, and going full throttle with it. I don't know if I agree, I think there are other fish to fry, worry about that a little later.

 

[russ1945]

I do not agree with Charles on this one. The part about global warming or climate change is that the right wing nuts say it is a left wing theory. Well I guess the left wing should take such pride for being smart since the phenomenon was brought up by scientists. Are you guys saying that scientists are left wingers? Another positive for the left. It would be like me saying all right wingers are religious nuts! To me the scientists have been right when compared to right wing religious beliefs,. The denouncement of evolution and thinking the Earth is only 6,000 years old makes them look STUPID!

It is also argued against by scientists and you are saying only right wingers argue against it. And then you throw in religious beliefs out of nowhere. I have never heard religion and global warming argued in the same sentence. I don't know where that came from. Then you turn around and link left wingers and scientists as some form of credibility. Saying the left wing is smart ended that arguement. The left wing is not even capable of considering long term consequences on almost anything much less global warming. How is that snow by the way. Damned global warming. lol And by the way, it is a left wing theory.

 

[russ1945]

[h=1]Left-wing Env. Scientist Bails Out Of Global Warming Movement: Declares it a ‘corrupt social phenomenon…strictly an imaginary problem of the 1st World middleclass’[/h]

 

[Acebb]

"Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?”

-Dr. Phil Jones, disgraced head of the CRU at the University of East Anglia

 

[BleedingPurple]

It is also argued against by scientists and you are saying only right wingers argue against it. And then you throw in religious beliefs out of nowhere. I have never heard religion and global warming argued in the same sentence. I don't know where that came from. Then you turn around and link left wingers and scientists as some form of credibility. Saying the left wing is smart ended that arguement. The left wing is not even capable of considering long term consequences on almost anything much less global warming. How is that snow by the way. Damned global warming. lol And by the way, it is a left wing theory.

It's just like right wingers saying it's a left wing theory, are you saying that most scientists have left win agendas, dating back to the 70s? I know there are scientist who denounce it as well but there are people who consider themselves right wing who believe in it. I brought up religion because people have been denouncing scientific results no matter how much evidence the scientist have. Ie: The Earth being 6,000 years old but I guess that is for another topic.
You bringing up winter snow shows you haven't much thought on it either. It would be like me starting a thread trying to prove global warming when it's 90 out, by saying, "how's the sun."

 

[BleedingPurple]

"Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?”

-Dr. Phil Jones, disgraced head of the CRU at the University of East Anglia

I have seen where data has been given to you, you either missed it, didn't read it or choose to ignore it

 

[russ1945]

It's just like right wingers saying it's a left wing theory, are you saying that most scientists have left win agendas, dating back to the 70s? I know there are scientist who denounce it as well but there are people who consider themselves right wing who believe in it. I brought up religion because people have been denouncing scientific results no matter how much evidence the scientist have. Ie: The Earth being 6,000 years old but I guess that is for another topic.
You bringing up winter snow shows you haven't much thought on it either. It would be like me starting a thread trying to prove global warming when it's 90 out, by saying, "how's the sun."

The Club of Rome, an environmental think-tank, consultants to the United Nations, shocked me with their blatantly false and outrageous statement that validated how the hard left thinks and acts, “The common enemy of humanity is man. In search of a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine, and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
Climate scaremongering “is nothing less than shutting down the West.” If you shut down Maryland completely and return it to Stone Age, it will be extinguished or offset by three days of economic activity in China. “This global warming scare is an attempt to establish a tyranny over the mind of man. A love of nature… is something that lies very deep within all of us, and this is what the hard left is so ruthlessly and so profitably exploiting.” Don’t ever give money again to the Environmental Defense Fund, Greenpeace, and the Worldwide Fund, no matter how many cuddly teddy bears, panda bears, or penguins they show you.” In spite of spending $3 billion on environmental propaganda, these organizations are losing the argument.

 

[BleedingPurple]

The Club of Rome, an environmental think-tank, consultants to the United Nations, shocked me with their blatantly false and outrageous statement that validated how the hard left thinks and acts, “The common enemy of humanity is man. In search of a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine, and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
Climate scaremongering “is nothing less than shutting down the West.” If you shut down Maryland completely and return it to Stone Age, it will be extinguished or offset by three days of economic activity in China. “This global warming scare is an attempt to establish a tyranny over the mind of man. A love of nature… is something that lies very deep within all of us, and this is what the hard left is so ruthlessly and so profitably exploiting.” Don’t ever give money again to the Environmental Defense Fund, Greenpeace, and the Worldwide Fund, no matter how many cuddly teddy bears, panda bears, or penguins they show you.” In spite of spending $3 billion on environmental propaganda, these organizations are losing the argument.

I know the left is exploiting it no doubt, I admitted that in a previous post. I think "shutting down the West" is a little overboard. I don't think the scientists in the 70s were coming up with this theory to profit and to exploit.

 

[russ1945]

Record Freezing Weather Puts Serious Crimp In Global Warming Argument

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Posted 02/11/2014 05:36 PM ET

• Just as heat signals global warming, so does extreme cold. View Enlarged Image
  
  Junk Science: The climate change lobby wants us all to know that this winter's ongoing record cold streak and snowstorms in the Midwest and Northeast in no way refute what Barack Obama now calls the scientific "fact" of global warming.
  The greens have even had a field day lampooning Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, who recently merely suggested the cold spell "has to make everyone question ... whether global warming was ever real." The Washington Post pounced on that statement and protested that the "global warming deniers" are "cherry-picking the data" to refute the heating of the planet.
  Of course, global warming alarmists would never cherry-pick data to make their point, would they?
  We ask because we keep hearing news reports of how the terrible drought in California is another flashing alarm of a warming planet. The drought is "why it's important for us to take climate change seriously," U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack sermonizes.
  So let's get this logic straight: The cold spell doesn't refute global warming, but the drought confirms it. Hmmm.
  The left is guilty of such logical gyrations all the time. A year and a half ago, when Superstorm Sandy wreaked its devastation on coastal Northeastern states, the link between that killer storm and global climate change was said to be nearly unassailable.
  No less a climate expert than New York Gov. Mario Cuomo remarked that "anyone who says there's not a dramatic change in weather patterns I think is denying reality." What does he think about the weather now?
  The day after Sandy's nearly $100 billion damage to homes, stores and infrastructure, Rep. Henry Waxman of California lashed out at his Republican House colleagues who have "pretended that climate change is not happening" and that "the consequences can be dismissed without concern."
  Environmental groups started peddling the idea that from now on we should name hurricanes and superstorms after prominent global warming "deniers" — Hurricane Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry and so on.
  Except hurricanes have been on the decline for the last several years, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Not one hit the coastal U.S. in 2009, 2010 or 2013. Tornadoes are also no more severe than usual. New research suggests that the polar ice caps may be growing, not shrinking, after several years of melting — good news for polar bears.
  What does all this prove about global climate change? Not much. One week or one month or even 50 years of weather patterns are the blink of an eye in terms of the Earth's temperature.
  
  
  
  
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[Acebb]

I have seen where data has been given to you, you either missed it, didn't read it or choose to ignore it

Well, no you haven't.

But anyway, way to skip right over the point.

 

[russ1945]

Regardless throwing money we don't have at boondoggle green projects is something we simply cannot afford at this point and time. That whole topic should be put on a back burner for now.

 

[BleedingPurple]

Regardless throwing money we don't have at boondoggle green projects is something we simply cannot afford at this point and time. That whole topic should be put on a back burner for now.

I do agree with this, I think we can hold off for a while. It's not like we are melting away,