Hi ace
I really do hope its in one ear and out the next second.
I have seen this on to many forums that good posters, good cappers / or poker players gets chased away because a few idiots dont like that others has succes..
And it would sure be a big loss if your line and 99 system disappears from this forum.
1 month for the preaseason.. Wihhaaa
I really do hope its in one ear and out the next second.
I have seen this on to many forums that good posters, good cappers / or poker players gets chased away because a few idiots dont like that others has succes..
And it would sure be a big loss if your line and 99 system disappears from this forum.
1 month for the preaseason.. Wihhaaa
I been around the betting industry for about ten years. Over 3 years in this forum. During my years in the forum I have seen many hot capppers turn tout then lose their ass off. I have seen few people maintain the hot run over half a season or even ful season but they all end up losing it all plus more in the long run. bet it drbob, docsports or whatever, they all failed to maintain profit in a consistent basis. Only cappers that I know who win consistently are "Bettingresource" cappers. Bettingresource guys don't go with all our marketing shcheme or promoting systems or game of the years....simply same type of picks every year and consistent profit every year. And no, they don't win like 59% or 65%.....they just hit around 55-56%. General betting public don't like real cappers with 55-56%, so they go for sleezy marketers who tout 60-65% and they lose their ass off. IN reality most winners hit 52 to 56% in the long run.
you are right..life time form me is about 54% over 16 years
ones that I posted on the forum for the last 6 years
...............ACTION...................INVESTMENT............TOTAL
2004-05 ...36-34 +$400......... 25-16 +$28,400..........+$28,800.00
2005-06...63-51 +$14,035......36-18 +$44,181...........+$58,216.00
2006-07...62-71 -$8,942........19-22 -$11,390...........-$20,332.00
2007-08...37-37 -$2389..........26-26 +$5,857...........+$4,471.00
2008-09..45-42 +$1,117.........22-18 +$6,182............+$7,299.00
2009-10 ..57-45 +$7800......... 20-15 +$9,910..........+$17,710.00
2009-10 contest.....................2-0 +$29680..Total +$47,390.00
TOTAL ACTION .......300-280 +$23,352.00
TOTAL INVESTMENT.150-115 +$112,830.00 THE ONES THAT COUNT 56.5%
TOTAL...................... 450-395 +$136,182.00 53%
53%
99STEAK,
you say, "Sleezy marketers".
you seem to be the only sleeze in this thread in my eyes.
First off, coming into this thread and atempting to advertise your buisiness repeatedly is 100 % pure SLEEZE.
Then you go on to say that most winners hit between 52%-56%...WRONG!!!!!!!!!!
52% would have you in the poor house in no time at all. When risking 110 to win 100 you must ABSOLUTELY must win 53 % just to break even. That is assuming that all of your bets are the same size .and in order to do that you must pay at least 4.82% in juice.
I would assume that you do not even understand that ? could you explain to me how you win at 52 % mr. betting resource ?
there is no getting around it....obviously , you do not even know what it takes to break even.
Now, back to the topic at hand which you seemto want to blabber about. The 99 system has a documented record of 1 year (2009) of 69%. That is a FACT. You see, I gaurantee you that there is not a soul alive who watches ACE's NFL plays closer than I do. I know for a fact that what he releases is gone over with a fine tooth comb and he does not ever ....I repeat "ever" stray the path as far as the 99System is concerned.
Is the 99 system a marketing tool ? yes and no .
Ill begin with the "NO's". keep in mind that this is my observation.
The 99 system is not what the title sounds to be. The 99S is a very complex breakdown of individual teams vs certain other teams. The roots have been firmly planted and the results are in = 69%=pure profit. I will also say this....there is lots of other things that are growing from the 99 system.
Ill tell you a little more about the story of the 99 system. When I was handed the 99 system and told what it was suppose to do ....I baaaaaked at it just like you are. I was told that this will produce 2-3 games a week with a win % of around 70%. I watched it from day 1 till until the superbowl....guess what ? 29-12 ( 69%).
Now Im sure your asking yourself....what is your point ? glad you asked.
A marketing scheme is exactly what it says....MARKETING SCHEME.
I personally have a tad over 1000 hours in working the 99S in 1 year. I know that the original guy has over 6 years. I have over 500 emails saved that all pertain to the nuts and bolts of the 99S. ....I would not call that kind of time a scheme or a scam. ..would you ?
what do I get out of all that work ? I have the Golden egg. ACE does not want to call it that but I will. I earned it, I learned it, and I am reaping the friuits of my labor with it. Would I sale imy knowledge ? not a chance. That would be a very foolish thing to do.
so to sum all that up ...no the 99 system is not a scheme / scam.....it is the real deal.
is it a marketing TOOL ? Yes , it has become one. I would assume that the price of this tool will go thru the roof in years to come. lets just watch NFL 2010 and see what the 99S has in store for us.
I will say that it will most likely have between 35-45 plays and hit in the 70% range. the $100 bettor will make about $1500 betting flat.
the $500 bettor will make $7500 betting flat and the dime player will earn $15,000.
I personally will lay $300 per game of my own money and and another $$300 of personal friends investments. thats $600/ game for me with a starting BR of $15,000. I anticipate on bringing in $9000 in 99S profits alone by laying $600 per 99S game.
so before you go talking SLEEZE ...you should really look in the mirror. ......what your trying to do here is the only sleeze in this thread once again Mr. 99steak. You should try and and start your own thread and show some positive results and promote your own stuff....trying to promote yourself at the heels of ACE is pretty sleezy...
if you want to talk shit, then talk it when you have something to carry it with...otherwise your just swimming in your own.
Not everything is to good to be true ...just most everything !
Ace,
I don't doubt your record or profit. Your hit rate of 53-54% and profit is very legit but my only concern is that if you can continue the success once you go tout. I have seen many good cappers going down the drain once they go tout. My other concern is the marketing story used for the system, which is just a fictitious story. You could have just stuck to the system with the back up of the posted plays here in the past rather than coming up with that story you posted in the very first post of this thread.
Queen of hearts,
There is no point in arguing with you because you are either and idiot or a shill for doc sports. All you do is praise them, but for a fact I know that their service is down overall (all sports) BIG. I have full tracking of numerous handicappers.
I am not marketing anything, just saying the facts from the tracking. You are talknig abut 1 year 69% for a selected amount of plays. A success of handicapper is measured on the basis of his overall success rather than selecting certain set of bets from a big group once everything is complete.
if you cannot make profit while hitting 52 to 56%, you shouldn't gamble because you will never profit. If you play good odds and not lay big juice you can profit even with 50%. Unlike all the other touts, bettingresource has history of all their plays to back up their record and you can go find out how they managed profit with 55-56% by seeing them archives. THey use 1 to 10 unit bets and they play odds ranging from -110 to +250. They don't play favorites or lay heavy juice.
But again, you must be delusional long term losing capper from your arguments, or you are just another capper from doc sports, so go ahead and continue your shit talking, i wont waste my time with you anymore.
I don't doubt your record or profit. Your hit rate of 53-54% and profit is very legit but my only concern is that if you can continue the success once you go tout. I have seen many good cappers going down the drain once they go tout. My other concern is the marketing story used for the system, which is just a fictitious story. You could have just stuck to the system with the back up of the posted plays here in the past rather than coming up with that story you posted in the very first post of this thread.
Queen of hearts,
There is no point in arguing with you because you are either and idiot or a shill for doc sports. All you do is praise them, but for a fact I know that their service is down overall (all sports) BIG. I have full tracking of numerous handicappers.
I am not marketing anything, just saying the facts from the tracking. You are talknig abut 1 year 69% for a selected amount of plays. A success of handicapper is measured on the basis of his overall success rather than selecting certain set of bets from a big group once everything is complete.
if you cannot make profit while hitting 52 to 56%, you shouldn't gamble because you will never profit. If you play good odds and not lay big juice you can profit even with 50%. Unlike all the other touts, bettingresource has history of all their plays to back up their record and you can go find out how they managed profit with 55-56% by seeing them archives. THey use 1 to 10 unit bets and they play odds ranging from -110 to +250. They don't play favorites or lay heavy juice.
But again, you must be delusional long term losing capper from your arguments, or you are just another capper from doc sports, so go ahead and continue your shit talking, i wont waste my time with you anymore.
99STEAK,
YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN.
I will start from the top. A shill ? you really think so ? or do you actually think I am an idiot more so ?
you would probably be better off going with me being an idiot than being a shill.
I am not paid a penny to express my opinions or anything else as far as that is concerned. If you want to know the truth , ACE would probably rather me keep my thoughts to my self and not express them here. Normally I respect that, not with you tho. You are a fucking sleezebag and I will deal with you how I see fit. Sorry ACE , this guy has done pissed me off now.
on to your second paragraph,
You are a Liar.
you are trying to market yourself and your going about it at the heels of the ACE ACE forum. Unless ACE has allowed you to do what your doing , you have no self respect what so ever. Dont even go there with me Steak....
Are you here to do exactly what your service strictly forbids? hmmm....yes you are ! you prove to me once again that you are a total sleeze bag. you are so concerned that anyone who pays for your service may share the plays ....yet ....here you are in ACE's house . WTF?
I am like really in a bad mood...Im just gonna leave it at that .
Ace asked you nicely that, " If you dont like what you see, then move on "...
The only person talking caca is you 99STEAK.
"my only concern is that if you can continue the success once you go tout."
I will say one more thing and move on
I been what you call a Tout for the last 5 years
so dont be concern
Done
QOH...you are who you answer too....I have showed you In the pass that you cant fight every battle....let it go
its my wife birthday and have fun with friends and family
rule of the day
no whats is important
this football season
and getting into the top 10 (hilton contest) two years in a row
wife says:howdy:
I will say one more thing and move on
I been what you call a Tout for the last 5 years
so dont be concern
Done
QOH...you are who you answer too....I have showed you In the pass that you cant fight every battle....let it go
its my wife birthday and have fun with friends and family
rule of the day
no whats is important
this football season
and getting into the top 10 (hilton contest) two years in a row
wife says:howdy:
Ace,
Alright I will stop invading your threads and continue to monitor your picks and the system plays. I have respect for your picks and like I said many times I don't doubt your results at all. Happy bday to your wife.
Drama Queen,
Like I said before there is no point in arguing with you since you are convinced that I am a service.
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I will give ace the privacy and won't comment here again until the nfl season is done. All the best.
Alright I will stop invading your threads and continue to monitor your picks and the system plays. I have respect for your picks and like I said many times I don't doubt your results at all. Happy bday to your wife.
Drama Queen,
Like I said before there is no point in arguing with you since you are convinced that I am a service.
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I will give ace the privacy and won't comment here again until the nfl season is done. All the best.
Sorry to cut in ace and QOH but man my hat goes off to you for the patience you have showed dealing with this guy/gal. Let me say to all who read this that I for one HAVE followed Ace in this forward for past years and you have been nothing but sincere and answered anyones questions. Have you given up the 99system, no, and who would? This guys avatar says enough about him/her alone this is a sports information site not a porn site I can see that anywhere if I wanted to. May God Bless you and may your system continue to help in your handicapping abilities. Keep up the good work and may we all have a very successful year in 2010, to you and yours.....
i dont have to go back and look at anything, i do get it. and i see that you are really not just a poster but some kind of paid employee or a firend or wahtver.
i would hold off on bragging about not loosing 7 in a row. ace knows its not about what you have done lately its what you have done over time. and betting is totally realted to price not picks.
holla
i would hold off on bragging about not loosing 7 in a row. ace knows its not about what you have done lately its what you have done over time. and betting is totally realted to price not picks.
holla
this year like all the other years...I will not hold back....$75k bankroll...3 spots in hilton and over 40 hours of stats,watching games,reading, living football!! with my two "tool" in hand "Myline and 99 system" how could I not be better than 70% of the ones that have spots in the hilton...all I have to do is beat the other 30%...last year there was 328...so that means beating 97 players...so I would give odds that one of my 3 spots gets into the money top 20...
Most systems are bogus, the 99 is the real deal
Been away for awhile on a project and family business, but back posting here again. Thanks for all the emails.
Just to let you know, I am probably the biggest analyzer of systems for sports betting out there, and one of the biggest critics. I like to take the engine apart, so to speak, and see if the system is based upon real technical advantages or hype. For the most part, systems put out by most marketing 'cappers are hype.
And while Ace and Doc's markets the system with similar "hype", the bottom line is Dizzy Dean's great line: "It ain't bragging if you can do it." And the proof is in the pudding: the 99 system provides the baseline for Ace, and he does the rest by making tweaks according to late-breaking events that may impact any of the intricate calculations. So does the system work? I defer that answer to Ace and QOH, because A) I don't know the actual calculations that make up the system, and B) I don't know the tweaks that Ace does to add value to the system result.
I've dealt with assessing worth of intellectual properties with regard to proposals and other variable-related sales factors, mostly for raw computer programs and other digital documents. Certainly, a confidential sport handicapping system, proven to be profitable, would fall into this category. If I had to put a magnitude on the system (based upon proven track record, promotional attributes, and confidential security measures, i.e. few people know about it), I'd speculate it's worth well over 6 figures, if it can hit over 60% this season (without tweaking). However, that's based upon as reasoned a method as I can assess for such a potential business decision, certainly nothing I'd sign an affidavit for at this time. If I were to assess ANY system that I've analyzed in the past few years? The 4 bits I have in my pocket is worth 50 cents more than what I'd assess them for, and I WOULD sign an affidavit to THAT.
As someone who is a relatively recent poster but long-time lurker (since around the Celtic massacre of the Lakers in '08), I can not just vouch for Ace's picks, nor his promotion of his system. To be blunt, the 99 is the ONLY system that works as advertised (promoted). So I don't really understand what the commotion 99steak really wants to pursue. Hell, these threads PROVE his record, which means more than a tout board. His demeanor soars above those in similar shoes as well.
If one used a progressive bankroll unit betting method that ties the unit bet to the CURRENT bankroll amount and not a static amount to play the picks gerated by Ace/99, the posted winnings would have been trebled (tripled). A 69% win rate shoots through the ROOF on a progressive bankroll unit bet sequence. A 60% produces a significant winning result as well. I'm still waiting for an ok by the site mods to post a thread with my newest betting excel sheets, as I'd like discussion involved with the sheets, but you can see an early prototype of a simulated betting sequence HERE.
Been away for awhile on a project and family business, but back posting here again. Thanks for all the emails.
Just to let you know, I am probably the biggest analyzer of systems for sports betting out there, and one of the biggest critics. I like to take the engine apart, so to speak, and see if the system is based upon real technical advantages or hype. For the most part, systems put out by most marketing 'cappers are hype.
And while Ace and Doc's markets the system with similar "hype", the bottom line is Dizzy Dean's great line: "It ain't bragging if you can do it." And the proof is in the pudding: the 99 system provides the baseline for Ace, and he does the rest by making tweaks according to late-breaking events that may impact any of the intricate calculations. So does the system work? I defer that answer to Ace and QOH, because A) I don't know the actual calculations that make up the system, and B) I don't know the tweaks that Ace does to add value to the system result.
I've dealt with assessing worth of intellectual properties with regard to proposals and other variable-related sales factors, mostly for raw computer programs and other digital documents. Certainly, a confidential sport handicapping system, proven to be profitable, would fall into this category. If I had to put a magnitude on the system (based upon proven track record, promotional attributes, and confidential security measures, i.e. few people know about it), I'd speculate it's worth well over 6 figures, if it can hit over 60% this season (without tweaking). However, that's based upon as reasoned a method as I can assess for such a potential business decision, certainly nothing I'd sign an affidavit for at this time. If I were to assess ANY system that I've analyzed in the past few years? The 4 bits I have in my pocket is worth 50 cents more than what I'd assess them for, and I WOULD sign an affidavit to THAT.
As someone who is a relatively recent poster but long-time lurker (since around the Celtic massacre of the Lakers in '08), I can not just vouch for Ace's picks, nor his promotion of his system. To be blunt, the 99 is the ONLY system that works as advertised (promoted). So I don't really understand what the commotion 99steak really wants to pursue. Hell, these threads PROVE his record, which means more than a tout board. His demeanor soars above those in similar shoes as well.
If one used a progressive bankroll unit betting method that ties the unit bet to the CURRENT bankroll amount and not a static amount to play the picks gerated by Ace/99, the posted winnings would have been trebled (tripled). A 69% win rate shoots through the ROOF on a progressive bankroll unit bet sequence. A 60% produces a significant winning result as well. I'm still waiting for an ok by the site mods to post a thread with my newest betting excel sheets, as I'd like discussion involved with the sheets, but you can see an early prototype of a simulated betting sequence HERE.
SportsBet Tracker
and to all that follow this thread. When I gave the information to Ace on this system, I had what I thought was 70% of the puzzle. My only goal was to implement this on a computer system. I gave this system to Ace on 1 condition, do whatever you want with it but don't disclose any information about it. Well that's not exactly what has transpired. I spent 7 years getting this on paper, more BS in finding out and adding some of my own figures. I have
used this for the last 5 years. Two years ago it produced a 23-4 result. This system works, but involves a lot more than stats. Let's think about it. If it were all stats everyone would be 50-0 for the year. So for 12 years I've been using MY 99 SYSTEM and having great results. The person that created this system is now deceased. I would hope that since I gave ACE this gift that he along with the other 2 people would continue to keep this under wraps. Everyone should be thank full that you're getting as much info as you are. I myself have never posted any details on the 99. Few other people rarely give any info on anything worth while. The value of the system, just the system alone IMO being worth 6 figures--------NO. If I could fill you're head with all the other ingredients from being around the man that made system, maybe. He wouldn't sell it. Why would we. Handicapping the NFL is a different beast. You have to make this a full time job if you want to make money. The system works, its not hype. The actual things that make this system work will not be given out. I hope that clears things up
Regards
Jeff Smith
Thanks, Jeff - I hope this explains everything
Thanks for your reply, Jeff. I am basically making my observation from the outside, as it were, and making as unbiased an opinion as I can possibly make based upon that observation. As someone who is far more interested in shows that show how magic illusions are created than watching the actual illusion itself, I recognize that, in its most simple state, a betting system is nothing more than a calculation of a result of an event based upon past indicators that are plugged into the system. A ten-year old student could use such a device just like a 60-year old rocket science to that effect.
Obviously, then, the research and development to come up with such a system is paramount, which of course is your 70%. To date, I have analyzed about 12 major sports betting "systems" and have come to the conclusion not one system works to the point of sustainable profitability. Most, indeed, ARE based upon marketing hype, but broken down are nothing more than cleverly disguised 3-card monte schemes. Note that I don't diss 'capper research in itself, just the systems themselves.
Your system, therefore, is the first system that goes beyond the hype based upon results. I had stated so, and I believe it, knowing that the principles involved with the system are as reputable and as honorable as any in the industry. Your system is the only system that is actually WORTH anything on its own merits, and my experience of trying to quantify profitable but intangible information based upon my observation is more of an appraisal of an existing phenomenon than an actual cost.
But YOU and Ace know the value of the system far more than anyone, and you have the results of several events to prove it. That is key. As an outsider, if someone told me they can consistently pick something at 60-70% probability of an event that approaches the same odds as a coin flip, and actually produce the results over a large number of events, then I can come up with only two solutions to the result. The first, and most obvious, is that the system itself is valid. The second, and highly unlikely solution, is that the producer of the results is lying. And THAT is about as unlikely as the sun exploding 10:00 am Tuesday, or, more improbably, the Clippers winning an NBA championship.
(Actually, there is a third solution, that in which the system and the "tweaking" to the system would be necessary, and in fact would be vital to increase the actual odds to take into consideration events that happen outside the realm of the system itself, but for the purpose of this calculation the system and the 'cappers are the same).
Bottom line:
1. Nearly all systems are fake.
2. 99 system is not fake, based upon 2 years of consistent trial that I've observed.
3. Therefore, 99 system is only one that is worth any money.
In extension,
4. If I were an odds-setter, I would love to have this system to calculate the best starting line, and I would pay:
5. My original calculation of 6 figures based upon a 3rd year of comparable winnings, as well as the fact only 4 people know of the actual system. If you had more people in on the secret, this figure must go down (based upon similar intellectual property calculations in other disciplines).
But that is an appraisal, and not worth the pixels on the screen it's written on.
And don't misunderstand: I understand that 'cappers have created systems using their own metrics that work on parameters that go uncalculated in oddsmakers' own calculations; as such, they aren't released. But the CREATION of such a system that is released, examined, and therefore quantified, can be easily done. You have not released the system, but since such a system obviously exists, and I can vouch for the integrity and credibility of the system overseers, then my conclusion is that the system works as advertised. The only variable is how much of the system is tweaked from the original calculations.
Thanks for your reply, Jeff. I am basically making my observation from the outside, as it were, and making as unbiased an opinion as I can possibly make based upon that observation. As someone who is far more interested in shows that show how magic illusions are created than watching the actual illusion itself, I recognize that, in its most simple state, a betting system is nothing more than a calculation of a result of an event based upon past indicators that are plugged into the system. A ten-year old student could use such a device just like a 60-year old rocket science to that effect.
Obviously, then, the research and development to come up with such a system is paramount, which of course is your 70%. To date, I have analyzed about 12 major sports betting "systems" and have come to the conclusion not one system works to the point of sustainable profitability. Most, indeed, ARE based upon marketing hype, but broken down are nothing more than cleverly disguised 3-card monte schemes. Note that I don't diss 'capper research in itself, just the systems themselves.
Your system, therefore, is the first system that goes beyond the hype based upon results. I had stated so, and I believe it, knowing that the principles involved with the system are as reputable and as honorable as any in the industry. Your system is the only system that is actually WORTH anything on its own merits, and my experience of trying to quantify profitable but intangible information based upon my observation is more of an appraisal of an existing phenomenon than an actual cost.
But YOU and Ace know the value of the system far more than anyone, and you have the results of several events to prove it. That is key. As an outsider, if someone told me they can consistently pick something at 60-70% probability of an event that approaches the same odds as a coin flip, and actually produce the results over a large number of events, then I can come up with only two solutions to the result. The first, and most obvious, is that the system itself is valid. The second, and highly unlikely solution, is that the producer of the results is lying. And THAT is about as unlikely as the sun exploding 10:00 am Tuesday, or, more improbably, the Clippers winning an NBA championship.
(Actually, there is a third solution, that in which the system and the "tweaking" to the system would be necessary, and in fact would be vital to increase the actual odds to take into consideration events that happen outside the realm of the system itself, but for the purpose of this calculation the system and the 'cappers are the same).
Bottom line:
1. Nearly all systems are fake.
2. 99 system is not fake, based upon 2 years of consistent trial that I've observed.
3. Therefore, 99 system is only one that is worth any money.
In extension,
4. If I were an odds-setter, I would love to have this system to calculate the best starting line, and I would pay:
5. My original calculation of 6 figures based upon a 3rd year of comparable winnings, as well as the fact only 4 people know of the actual system. If you had more people in on the secret, this figure must go down (based upon similar intellectual property calculations in other disciplines).
But that is an appraisal, and not worth the pixels on the screen it's written on.
And don't misunderstand: I understand that 'cappers have created systems using their own metrics that work on parameters that go uncalculated in oddsmakers' own calculations; as such, they aren't released. But the CREATION of such a system that is released, examined, and therefore quantified, can be easily done. You have not released the system, but since such a system obviously exists, and I can vouch for the integrity and credibility of the system overseers, then my conclusion is that the system works as advertised. The only variable is how much of the system is tweaked from the original calculations.
