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Rounder...you may have stumbled into the wrong thread or you may just be an Ahole.....:think2:
 

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Well, that turned out the way I predicted. Overrated QB and a bad coach who can't win on the road.

Easiest money of the weekend in my book.

You can be a Monday Morning QB and tell us how you came up with your winner, but the FACT is I get plays form other touts and those who use a #'s system all had Atlanta and the Under on their sheet. The #'s pointed to Atlanta winning small, sometimes they play out sometimes they don't.
 

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I have followed Ace for years and appreciate all he does. When I asked him the question, I was hoping I was wrong reading the thread and he WOULDN'T be on Atlanta. I don't follow TOUTS and I don't have my own system. I just try to look at everything and make sense of it. Rocket science, I know. The reason I liked the Giants so much is the same reason I liked Pittsburgh (and lost). I will take an experienced team with a good coach vs. an unproved/over rated QB in a big spot. Matt Ryan is one of the most overrated QB's in the game. Tom Coughlin is one of the most underrated coaches in the game. Atlanta had 1 quality win in their last 8 games and that was against Carolina (which they were handed). Say what you will about the Giants and a let down, but they tend to win games when they need to. I took Big Ben and Tomlin over Tebow and Fox. I believe Tomlin got outcoached as Fox made obvious in game adjustments that allowed Denver to get up early and big.... Pitt never stood a chance in that game. But I could not put my money on Denver no matter what.

Like I said, I have followed Ace for years and appreciate his work. Maybe my post came across wrong, if so I apologize to him. I am just not sold on the same systems and charts that work in the regular season can apply after week 16 of the NFL. Week 17 is a joke and the playoffs, you gotta put alot more on people who have been there and done it vs. those who have not. With the exception of Denver game, the better team won and covered the spread convincingly. I should have known better then to bet against Tebow!

Ace, great job on another strong year. Especially your Hilton finish. I still wish you would post your picks earlier (or make them obvious in your thread like you did this week!)


You can be a Monday Morning QB and tell us how you came up with your winner, but the FACT is I get plays form other touts and those who use a #'s system all had Atlanta and the Under on their sheet. The #'s pointed to Atlanta winning small, sometimes they play out sometimes they don't.
 

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Disclosure...I am a Green Bay Packers fan....all my life. They will beat the New York Giants and it will not be close. All Packers players are healthy and will play in the next game except Collins. The Packers will have homefield where they have not lost a game this season, they have the best backup qb in the league. They have more weapons at receiver than any other team and they will all play. Their suspect defense will cause turnovers and likely to pressure Manning and have at least one pick. You will see a defensive game you would never imagine from the ranking they now hold...when the game counts are defense rises to the occasion. If the public favors the Giants....load up on the Packers.
 

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Very interesting thoughts on the GB game.

I almost feel that NWE rolls Denver again, did it in Denver as its a very tough place to play and now at home, Possibly a first half play in the works.

Itll be interesting to see what ace cooks up though.
 

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Investment plays 19-15 + $6980.00
Action plays 36-33-2 +$1485.00

Total 55-48-2 +$8465.00


This week there will be one 411 play


here is myline numbers



.......................................year...................................last 8...........................last 4 games
NO....................................PK............................................................................PK
SF..............................................................................-2.5..................................

DEN
NE......................................-9.5..................................-10.5..................................-7


HOU...................................-6.5...................................-3.5....................................
BAL......................................................................................................................-2.5


NYG
GB........................................-16.5...............................-5........................................-3


LINE OFF NUMBERS

NOR +116
SF +100
HOU +84
GB +46
NE +40
BAL +16
NYG +4
DEN -33

NEVER BEEN A TEAM IN THE SUPER BOWL WITH A MINUS NUMBER



STILL LOOKING AT ALL THE 411 NUMBER AND RANK NUMBER, WP NUMBERS,OUTPLAY NUMBER AND i'M SURE TO HAVE 6-7 PLAYS THIS WEEK....I SEE SOME GREAT EDGES!!!!

ACE
 

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Hey Ace....always like seeing the stats on Points Matter...I think it was like around 15% for the reg season.

found this for playoffs back to 1990...13.8%

2010: 0 times............2009: 1 time..............2008: 0 times.............

2007: 3 times...............2006: 4 times.............2005: 0 times.............

2004: 1 time...............2003: 3 times...............2002: 3 times.............

2001: 1 time & 1push.......2000: 0 times..............1999: 2 times.........

1998: 1 time & 1 push........1997: 1 time & 2 pushes..............

1996: 0 times................1995: 1 time.............1994: 1 time & 1 push....

1993: 1 time & 1 push.......1992: 1 time & 1 push......1991: 4 times...

1990: 1 time.........
 

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NFL divisional playoffs odds: Opening line report

We talked to sportsbook oddsmakers to get their thinking behind opening lines for the NFL divisional playoffs.

No. 3 New Orleans Saints at No. 2 San Francisco 49ers, 4:30 p.m. Saturday

Wynn Las Vegas opening line: Saints -3 (-120), 46.5
BetOnline.com line as of late Sunday: Saints -3.5, 47

Wynn sportsbook manager John Avello expects another flood of Saints money.

"We were thinking 3 and then we went to -3 (-120) after Saturday's performance," Avello told *********** after the Saints broke the postseason record with 626 total yards in their 45-28 thrashing of Detroit. "I don't know how we keep bettors off this team right now. I bet you I'll be at 3.5 pretty soon.

"The public loves the Saints, they see this offense and they just think they can score at will," he continued. "They're going to overlook the Niners because that team hasn't been in the playoffs in a while. They're the No. 2 seed, but in reality everybody believes the Saints are the No. 2 seed. I just think we're going to need San Fran. But we'll see how it turns out."

New Orleans has won and covered nine straight. With Drew Brees breaking records on a weekly basis, the Saints have averaged 44.3 points over their last four games.

Lions-Saints just soared over a record total for an NFL playoff game. Still, Avello said he opened Saints-Niners at 46.5 for two reasons: San Fran's No. 2-ranked defense (14.3 points allowed per game) and the style the Niners must play.

"San Fran cannot get into a shootout," he said.



No. 4 Denver Broncos at No. 1 New England Patriots, 8 p.m. ET Saturday

Las Vegas Hilton SuperBook opening line: Patriots -13.5, 50.5
BetOnline.com line as of laste Sunday: Patriots -13.5 (-120), 51

Some books already moved to 14.

Jay Kornegay, director of the Las Vegas Hilton SuperBook, expects to follow suit.


“Looks like the money is going to push it to 14, but the question is where does it go from that point?” he told ***********.

Kornegay gave Denver its props, especially for its play-action passes, but noted the Broncos faced a depleted version of the Steelers on Sunday.

“It was a great win, but I’m not really sold on the Denver Broncos making a run to the Super Bowl,” he said.

When New England visited Denver on Dec. 18, the Pats rallied from a 16-7 deficit to win 41-23, covering as 7-point favorites. The game sailed over the 47.5 total.

Tom Brady threw for 320 yards and two TDs, and tight ends Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski combined for 13 catches and 182 yards.



No. 3 Houston Texans at No. 2 Baltimore Ravens, 1 p.m. Sunday

Caesars Palace opening line: Ravens -7.5, 38.5
Wynn Las Vegas opening line: Ravens -7, 38.5
BetOnline.com line as of late Sunday: Ravens -9 (+115), 37.5

Oddsmakers didn't overreact to Houston's 31-10 wild card win over Cincinnati.

"I'm still not sold on the Texans," Todd Fuhrman, senior race and sports analyst for Caesars Entertainment, told ***********. "The game wasn't nearly as lopsided as the final score indicated."

He opened Texans-Ravens at 7.5 because "the Ravens coming off a bye is worth at least one full point, and I think the hook will give us better balance than opening at just a TD."

Offshore books that opened the game at 7 quickly moved higher as Baltimore money poured in.

Avello also wasn't swayed by the Texans' first-ever playoff win.

“Arian Foster looked pretty good, that’s for sure,” he said. “But the Texans played at Baltimore in the middle of the season, the line was 7 and they lost by a couple touchdowns. It’s going to be tough for the Texans, and for T.J. Yates. He’ll find the going much more difficult.”

Avello based his opening line primarily on power ratings.

“I really don’t vary much by going with a lot of opinion at this point,” he said. “Our ratings say 7. The total has got to be on the low side. You can’t think there’s going to be a whole lot of scoring, not with the way the Ravens play at home. I think we’re where we need to be.”

It’s a matchup of Top-5 defenses. Baltimore allows 16.6 points per game (3rd), Houston 17.4 (4th).

When the teams met in Week 6 in Baltimore, Houston led 14-13 in the third quarter. But the Ravens dominated from that point, winning 29-14 as 7-point favorites. The score fell a half-point shy of the 43.5 total.

Joe Flacco threw for 305 yards, Ray Rice ran for 101 and Baltimore held Houston’s vaunted ground game to 3.7 yards per carry.

Matt Schaub quarterbacked the Texans that day. This time it will be the rookie Yates facing Terrell Suggs, Haloti Ngata, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and company.

Yates played efficiently on Saturday, going 11 of 20 for 159 yards with one touchdown and no interceptions. He did throw one ill-advised pass Chris Crocker should have picked off.

Foster, who ran for 153 yards Saturday, was held to 49 yards on 15 carries in the Oct. 16 loss in Baltimore.



No. 4 New York Giants at No. 1 Green Bay Packers, 4:30 p.m. ET Sunday

Las Vegas Hilton SuperBook opening line: Packers -9, 51.5

BetOnline.com line as of late Sunday: Packers -9 (-105), 51.5

Offshores that opened anywhere but 9 quickly fell into line.

At first glance this seems like a big number. The Giants dismantled Atlanta on Sunday, their defense not allowing a point. And New York nearly upset Green Bay in Week 13.

But oddsmakers aren’t buying that it’s 2007 all over again.

“The Packers are going to be a little more creative than the Falcons,” Kornegay told ***********. “The Giants played well but I’m not going to get too excited about them because they haven’t put a string of good games together all year.

“Green Bay still remembers what happened a few years back [losing the NFC championship game 23-20 at home to New York],” he continued. “The Falcons were very conservative and didn’t make the right adjustments. We know the Packers are better coached than that.”

Kornegay said a total of 51 would “be on the short side and we’ll probably stay on the high side throughout the week, unless weather comes into play.”

In Week 13, these teams played a thriller at MetLife Stadium. Green Bay won 38-35, failing to cover as a 7-point favorite. The game went over the 53.5 total by nearly 20 points.

They combined for 53 first downs and nearly 900 yards of offense.

Although it was their fourth straight loss, the Giants took heart from pushing the then-undefeated Super Bowl champs to the limit.
 

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Long Sheet

Division Round

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Saturday, January 14

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NEW ORLEANS (14 - 3) at SAN FRANCISCO (13 - 3) - 1/14/2012, 4:30 PM
Top Trends for this game.
SAN FRANCISCO is 11-4 ATS (+6.6 Units) in all games this season.
SAN FRANCISCO is 11-4 ATS (+6.6 Units) in all lined games this season.
SAN FRANCISCO is 7-0 ATS (+7.0 Units) in home games this season.
SAN FRANCISCO is 7-0 ATS (+7.0 Units) in home lined games this season.
SAN FRANCISCO is 8-1 ATS (+6.9 Units) in all games where the total is between 42.5 and 49 points over the last 3 seasons.
SAN FRANCISCO is 9-1 ATS (+7.9 Units) in games played on a grass field this season.
NEW ORLEANS is 13-4 ATS (+8.6 Units) in all games this season.
NEW ORLEANS is 13-4 ATS (+8.6 Units) in all lined games this season.
NEW ORLEANS is 12-3 ATS (+8.7 Units) as a favorite this season.
NEW ORLEANS is 13-4 ATS (+8.6 Units) as a road favorite of 3 points or less since 1992.
NEW ORLEANS is 10-3 ATS (+6.7 Units) when playing with 6 or less days rest this season.
NEW ORLEANS is 8-2 ATS (+5.8 Units) after 2 or more consecutive wins this season.
NEW ORLEANS is 7-1 ATS (+5.9 Units) when playing against a team with a winning record this season.
NEW ORLEANS is 6-0 ATS (+6.0 Units) when playing against a team with a winning record in the second half of the season this season.
SAN FRANCISCO is 0-6 ATS (-6.6 Units) off a win against a division rival over the last 2 seasons.

Head-to-Head Series History
SAN FRANCISCO is 1-0 against the spread versus NEW ORLEANS over the last 3 seasons
NEW ORLEANS is 1-0 straight up against SAN FRANCISCO over the last 3 seasons
1 of 1 games in this series have gone OVER THE TOTAL over the last 3 seasons

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DENVER (9 - 8) at NEW ENGLAND (13 - 3) - 1/14/2012, 8:00 PM
Top Trends for this game.
NEW ENGLAND is 144-108 ATS (+25.2 Units) against conference opponents since 1992.
NEW ENGLAND is 89-64 ATS (+18.6 Units) when playing against a team with a winning record since 1992.
NEW ENGLAND is 62-38 ATS (+20.2 Units) when playing against a team with a winning record in the second half of the season since 1992.

Head-to-Head Series History
NEW ENGLAND is 1-1 against the spread versus DENVER over the last 3 seasons
NEW ENGLAND is 1-1 straight up against DENVER over the last 3 seasons
1 of 2 games in this series have gone OVER THE TOTAL over the last 3 seasons

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Sunday, January 15

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HOUSTON (11 - 6) at BALTIMORE (12 - 4) - 1/15/2012, 1:00 PM
Top Trends for this game.
HOUSTON is 10-3 ATS (+6.7 Units) in games played on a grass field this season.

Head-to-Head Series History
BALTIMORE is 2-0 against the spread versus HOUSTON over the last 3 seasons
BALTIMORE is 2-0 straight up against HOUSTON over the last 3 seasons
1 of 2 games in this series have gone OVER THE TOTAL over the last 3 seasons

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NY GIANTS (10 - 7) at GREEN BAY (15 - 1) - 1/15/2012, 4:30 PM
Top Trends for this game.
GREEN BAY is 24-12 ATS (+10.8 Units) in all games over the last 2 seasons.
GREEN BAY is 24-12 ATS (+10.8 Units) in all lined games over the last 2 seasons.
GREEN BAY is 27-15 ATS (+10.5 Units) as a favorite over the last 3 seasons.
GREEN BAY is 7-1 ATS (+5.9 Units) in home games this season.
GREEN BAY is 7-1 ATS (+5.9 Units) in home lined games this season.
GREEN BAY is 13-4 ATS (+8.6 Units) in home games against conference opponents over the last 3 seasons.
GREEN BAY is 7-1 ATS (+5.9 Units) in home games in games played on a grass field this season.
GREEN BAY is 18-8 ATS (+9.2 Units) after 2 or more consecutive wins over the last 3 seasons.
GREEN BAY is 11-3 ATS (+7.7 Units) when playing against a team with a winning record over the last 2 seasons.
GREEN BAY is 54-31 ATS (+19.9 Units) when playing against a team with a winning record in the second half of the season since 1992.
NY GIANTS are 15-5 ATS (+9.5 Units) in road games against NFC North division opponents since 1992.
NY GIANTS are 34-17 ATS (+15.3 Units) in road games after 2 or more consecutive wins since 1992.

Head-to-Head Series History
GREEN BAY is 1-1 against the spread versus NY GIANTS over the last 3 seasons
GREEN BAY is 2-0 straight up against NY GIANTS over the last 3 seasons
2 of 2 games in this series have gone OVER THE TOTAL over the last 3 seasons

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NFL
Short Sheet

Division Round


Saturday, 1/14/2012

NEW ORLEANS at SAN FRANCISCO, 4:30 PM ET
FOX
NEW ORLEANS: 12-3 ATS as favorite
SAN FRANCISCO: 0-6 ATS off division win

DENVER at NEW ENGLAND, 8:00 PM ET CBS
DENVER: 5-1 ATS in New England
NEW ENGLAND: 25-8 Over in all games


Sunday, 1/15/2012

HOUSTON at BALTIMORE, 1:00 PM ET
CBS
HOUSTON: 7-18 ATS Away off home win
BALTIMORE: 55-36 ATS as home favorite

NY GIANTS at GREEN BAY, 4:00 PM ET FOX
NY GIANTS: 6-0 Over off 3+ wins
GREEN BAY: 7-1 Over in home games

** (TC) Denotes Time Change




NFL

Division Round


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Trend Report
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Saturday, January 14

4:30 PM
NEW ORLEANS vs. SAN FRANCISCO
The total has gone OVER in 4 of New Orleans's last 5 games
The total has gone OVER in 4 of New Orleans's last 6 games when playing San Francisco
San Francisco is 5-0 SU in its last 5 games at home
The total has gone OVER in 4 of San Francisco's last 6 games when playing New Orleans

8:00 PM
DENVER vs. NEW ENGLAND
Denver is 1-3-1 ATS in its last 5 games
Denver is 5-2 SU in its last 7 games when playing on the road against New England
The total has gone OVER in 5 of New England's last 5 games
New England is 5-0 SU in its last 5 games


Sunday, January 15

1:00 PM
HOUSTON vs. BALTIMORE
Houston is 8-3 SU in its last 11 games
Houston is 1-4 ATS in its last 5 games when playing Baltimore
Baltimore is 5-0 SU in its last 5 games at home
Baltimore is 1-3-1 ATS in its last 5 games at home

4:30 PM
NY GIANTS vs. GREEN BAY
NY Giants are 2-4 SU in their last 6 games when playing on the road against Green Bay
NY Giants are 2-6 SU in their last 8 games when playing Green Bay
The total has gone OVER in 4 of Green Bay's last 5 games
The total has gone OVER in 5 of Green Bay's last 5 games at home


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Where the action is: Mid-week NFL playoff line moves

Bettors aren't wasting any time digging into this weekend's Divisional Playoff odds.

We have already seen significant moves in every matchup so we tracked down Todd Fuhrman, senior sports analyst for Caesars Palace, to shed a little light on the situation.

New Orleans Saints at San Francisco 49ers - Open: +3, Move: +3.5

The Saints are the sexy pick here, of course, with Drew Bees leading the way. That's why we're seeing this early move, but don't expect this number to be there by game day. Fuhrman is thinking the same.

"The public came in early to bet the road favorite," Fuhrman says. "I fully expect the professionals to wait until the number hits its peak before we see money on the dog. It's been a long time since there was a home dog in the divisional round and fully expect the dog to see money later in the week."

Denver Broncos at New England Patriots - Open: -14, Move: -13.5

Tebowmania in full effect here. After his heroics last week, the books had to come out with a big number but it's going to be interesting to see where this number settles when the sharp money starts coming in.

Houston Texans at Baltimore Ravens - Open: -9, Move: -7.5/Total Open: 38, Move: 36

This one is a little tricky. With rookie T.J. Yates taking snaps for Houston on the road, you'd expect more support from Ravens bettors early. As for the total, both teams allow fewer than 17 points per game.

The total and side seem somewhat correlated given that both of these teams may struggle to score in bunches," Fuhrman says. "I'm still not sure the move to the dog is actually a true position while the under took steam early in the week."

New York Giants at Green Bay Packers - Open -9, Move: -7.5

The Giants nearly shocked the Packers in the regular season and early bettors seem to like their chances again this week.

The Giants are the talk of the town and have become the trendy underdog," Fuhrman says. "If anyone has a desire to lay the points with the Packers, they're going to wait this out rather than jump in and lay the worst of it right now. I still believe the Packers are being undervalued in this spot but the betting public only remembers what they saw last - three straight dominating performances from the New York Giants.
 

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