Kosar,
No book should slow pay to begin with. What this dispute has brought to light is that according to some posters, likely not players, slow pays are somehow considered as a tolerable pain. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
I am a recreational player and I play at Pinnacle. You know why ? The few times I withdraw I am sure my money will be in my Neteller in a matter of minutes.
That being said I can understand the angle that few selected bonus hunters see in playing at Royal. The Mother of All Bonuses, the 100% cash bonus not to withdraw, must give them an orgasm.
Since Royal pushes this undue practice (the cancel my withdrawal 100% cash bonus reward) I don't see anything wrong in them settleing with this particular player the way they stated they would....
What I find hard to believe is that in 96 hours Royal has gone from admitting the close to 2 months slow pay and committing to pay the player (official statement and binding committment they have yet to live up to),to leaking the conspiracy theory according to which they had been extorted (unofficial statement),to offering hush money,to agreeing to the forensic analysis,to forgetting about sending the tapes to end up telling the player they would LOVE to have him back and asking him to state he lied to get paid.
Now, this is not agenda. This is the chain of events. Anyone that honeslty thinks that these behaviours are worthy of trust must be blind IMHO.
No book should slow pay to begin with. What this dispute has brought to light is that according to some posters, likely not players, slow pays are somehow considered as a tolerable pain. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
I am a recreational player and I play at Pinnacle. You know why ? The few times I withdraw I am sure my money will be in my Neteller in a matter of minutes.
That being said I can understand the angle that few selected bonus hunters see in playing at Royal. The Mother of All Bonuses, the 100% cash bonus not to withdraw, must give them an orgasm.
Since Royal pushes this undue practice (the cancel my withdrawal 100% cash bonus reward) I don't see anything wrong in them settleing with this particular player the way they stated they would....
What I find hard to believe is that in 96 hours Royal has gone from admitting the close to 2 months slow pay and committing to pay the player (official statement and binding committment they have yet to live up to),to leaking the conspiracy theory according to which they had been extorted (unofficial statement),to offering hush money,to agreeing to the forensic analysis,to forgetting about sending the tapes to end up telling the player they would LOVE to have him back and asking him to state he lied to get paid.
Now, this is not agenda. This is the chain of events. Anyone that honeslty thinks that these behaviours are worthy of trust must be blind IMHO.
I know what you're saying, frog, and royals behavior has been almost as loopy as this players and his handlers.
One explanation is that maybe royal changed their mind when they saw the onslaught of criticism for paying a player 20k when his balance was zero. Nobody, except for Roberto and shrink, thinks this guy should be paid.
They had been paying him in chunks, albeit slowly, for awhile. This guy knew he was gonna get the rest of his money eventually. The slow pay is another situation altogether. But this guy had the itch and couldn't wait and he lost his money.
His(their) story has changed about 6x. I don't care about major supposedly trying to get shrink to lie and 'bury' Roberto or alleged 100k bribes offered or any of the other gossip that these chatty Kathys come up with. I take anything that comes from any of these guys with a grain of salt.
He's mad because he blew out his account and amazingly Roberto thinks he should be re-imbursed. He had just about the same chance to double his acct as he did to lose it. I can imagine that he would have kept that money if he had won, even though it 'occured' because he was being slow paid.
All this polygraph/audio expert talk is just grandstanding. It's just stupid. It's like when shrink offers one of his famous 100k dollar 'challenges.'
If someone came on here and accused me of cheating or whatever, and then demanded that I take a polygraph to 'clear my name,' I would tell them to fuck off. I imagine most would.
One explanation is that maybe royal changed their mind when they saw the onslaught of criticism for paying a player 20k when his balance was zero. Nobody, except for Roberto and shrink, thinks this guy should be paid.
They had been paying him in chunks, albeit slowly, for awhile. This guy knew he was gonna get the rest of his money eventually. The slow pay is another situation altogether. But this guy had the itch and couldn't wait and he lost his money.
His(their) story has changed about 6x. I don't care about major supposedly trying to get shrink to lie and 'bury' Roberto or alleged 100k bribes offered or any of the other gossip that these chatty Kathys come up with. I take anything that comes from any of these guys with a grain of salt.
He's mad because he blew out his account and amazingly Roberto thinks he should be re-imbursed. He had just about the same chance to double his acct as he did to lose it. I can imagine that he would have kept that money if he had won, even though it 'occured' because he was being slow paid.
All this polygraph/audio expert talk is just grandstanding. It's just stupid. It's like when shrink offers one of his famous 100k dollar 'challenges.'
If someone came on here and accused me of cheating or whatever, and then demanded that I take a polygraph to 'clear my name,' I would tell them to fuck off. I imagine most would.
The reason i opened an account here? I called OSGA like i always do. Jim says try Royal. I say I had an account there about three years ago and they cut my limits because i won too much. Jim assures me that they are under new ownership and are a top notch book. I call Royal and smooth talker Richard goes on and on about how wonderful Royal is and even though he checks my history welcomes me back and swears up and down that Royal would not slow pay me again and that my payouts would arrive 5to7 days.No mention of we can only send out 10 dimes weekly.I wire 20 thou 3 times within a month and as soon as I get up they show their true colors. Now you know why i opened an account their.The lesson here is to never take advice from Jim at OSGA and we all know,dont play with Royal. And for all the people who keep saying"I just got 800 bucks from Royal no problem", try winning a substantial amount of money dude.
David1 said:
A lot harder than betting at a place where you already had 20 dimes sitting around. On the tapes you seemed awfully desperate to place some bets, to be honest with you. You nearly had a stroke when they said you could only have 5 dimes a play.
So what's your current story, dude?
Are you saying that it isn't your voice?
Are you saying that Royal rigged up the call with an impersonator?
Are you saying that it's your voice but Royal doctored the tapes and stole your money?
Because all 3 of those have been used in the 'official' story at one time or another.
I'm sure your handler Roberto has advised against putting out yet another story that will surely contradict the other 8, but I figured i'd ask.
how would i know what royal did? ive never changed my description of events. if it was a story, it would be just that. For your info, royal cut me off so its not like i just had 20 sitting there ready to play.I also live 20 minutes from the border where sports betting is legal.bank wires take minutes.
My question wasn't really that 'silly.' If that is your voice, which of course it is, it shows you asking, begging really, to cancel your payout request and let you bet with it. Furthermore, it shows you whining that they only wanted to give you 5k a game. Finally, it shows you asking about the results of a game between teams that have played one series in 7 years and that was on the weekend in question.
David1 said:
Well, it proves that the call was made on that weekend. As in, you can't say (or imply as you did above) that they pulled those tapes from some previous calls.
They first released 10 dimes for you to bet with and you're heard on there saying that you wanted the other ten released because that game was a loser and you went through the first ten.
David1, without Boberto pulling your strings,
Did you place the bets?
Have you listened to the tapes?
Is that you on the tapes?
I also heard the tapes, they sound legit, and the person is desperate and actually wanting even more action. Now we know your official version of why you went to Royal. I would reconsider listening to anyone guiding you into a known troubled operation.
Boberto, slow pays are bad, no doubt. But sometimes you have to deal with it. Better than a no pay. When you have 20+ outs, some pay faster than others. Some like Royal string you along as policy, you learn and you leave. If you are not a bonus whore. I bet those who got hung out to dry at Aces, PanAm and others wish they were slow payed. Some of my solid books have been a little tardy, neteller got run on, bank transfer problem, I deal with it and work with them. Kicking the crap out of known slow paying Royal has just become tiresome to me. I was under the impression here we were trying to get to the bets in question.
Best Wishes...OF:howdy:
Did you place the bets?
Have you listened to the tapes?
Is that you on the tapes?
I also heard the tapes, they sound legit, and the person is desperate and actually wanting even more action. Now we know your official version of why you went to Royal. I would reconsider listening to anyone guiding you into a known troubled operation.
Boberto, slow pays are bad, no doubt. But sometimes you have to deal with it. Better than a no pay. When you have 20+ outs, some pay faster than others. Some like Royal string you along as policy, you learn and you leave. If you are not a bonus whore. I bet those who got hung out to dry at Aces, PanAm and others wish they were slow payed. Some of my solid books have been a little tardy, neteller got run on, bank transfer problem, I deal with it and work with them. Kicking the crap out of known slow paying Royal has just become tiresome to me. I was under the impression here we were trying to get to the bets in question.
Best Wishes...OF:howdy:
oh you got me. I wasnt implying anything. Im simply saying to use your imagination. I dont know what Royal did. Maybe you are able to eliminate one theory with this fact about the series. I said maybe its my voice. I gotta run but you might want to examine the facts a little closer. I wish I had the time to go over all the wonderful things about Royal. I better check in with Roberto. I was just answering your questions. Of course I didnt place these bets.
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David1 said:
David1, I see why everyone ran from you. If this was a trial, your own defense would sink you. Maybe it is my voice?, you are worse than I originally thought. Just from these posts I am right back on Royal's side. If you had legal representation, your advice would be to STFU. Another Barnum minuteman.
Best Wishes...OF:howdy:
The one thing from those tapes that sticks out to me is when the guy wanted to bet 10 or 20 dimes a game, and Royal says no you are cut to 5, he says I can't live with 5 so process my payout. Royal backtracks and says ok bet what you want just don't withdraw. That right there shows me the character of Royal. I'm not saying the guy deserves to be paid, I'm just pointing out how Royal operates. It's really ironic how Royal's slowpaying has cost them a fantastic POST UP customer. Had they paid this guy on time, instead of stringing him along, they probably could have won hundreds of thousands of dollars from him as a long time customer. Did they really think he wouldn't be back? They traded 20 dimes for the potential of hundreds of thousands more. The first time I beat Pinnacle for a chunk and requested a payout it was in my account within 5 minutes. That won them my business and I have lost a whole lot more money than I withdrew that first time.
