David from Royal dispute

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Jul 10, 2005

IDENTITY said:
lol of - defending a PROVEN stiff book versus a player who MIGHT be a scammer is not right. you have never spoken to the alleged scammer. i think before you can make an informed decision, you must hear from all parties to the dispute directly.

Best Wishes...ID:howdy:

Listen ID, you better back down fast or FROG will be your life's nemisis. Royal is not a proven stiff book. In fact, they actually helped a lot of players out on bailouts. I know of not one person that has been stiffed by them. Zero. Slow pay, hell yes. And you can see why with this baffoon. I do not speak with scammers, however I had the pleasure of listening to him on tape. That helped me come to a decision. Back to my original question, I need to know how many books have altered or rigged tapes, which everyone agrees, including Jay C. are the crucial piece of evidence. If they are legit, and I have never heard otherwise in my decade of offshorebetting, then he deserves nothing. When you come out of the wordwork opposing me I know I am on the right side. Next trip to Disneyland, I will take you for a ride.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

spreadbeater · Jul 10, 2005

FROG-

You have me cracking up with these posts. This guy IS a stiff. No question about it. Royal has been known to slow pay, but not paying is a whole different ballgame. Frog, hope all is well with your new baby and hope your vacation is going well. Don't be a stranger. Talk at you soon.

SB

truthteller · Jul 10, 2005

Royal is not a proven stiff book but their new owner is.

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Jul 10, 2005

I am with Jay here.

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<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1>Point of information:

He still hasn't been paid yet.

If the tapes are real, I will back Royal on this matter.

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Royal is so desperate to upgrade thier rep they are paying off anyone and everyone, even a few who obviously are questionable. For them to rig tapes is just contrary to everything they are trying. Plus the rest of the industry would pounce on them faster than any dogpile here.

SB, all is well, strained a ligament in my elbow from either moving 4 yards of drain rock, 8 yards of playground mix, or loading an unloading a 1000 lbs of playground sand. Barney purple sand. Baby is a stud, big fella. Kept me awake many hours last night and I am in an ugly mood. But good to hear from you. Working on our projects.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

IDENTITY · Jul 10, 2005

ROYAL AGREES to pay the man his $20k. Royal then renegs. that is a stiff book.

it is also a stiff book to hold someone's money for a long time until they started betting again. to me, that is the equivalent of a NO-PAY because, in fact, the money was NOT paid.

If ROYAL is correct, they would produce the tapes for inspection. OF, can you explain what ROYAL has to hide in not producing the original tapes for inspection?

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Jul 10, 2005

IDENTITY said:
ROYAL AGREES to pay the man his $20k. Royal then renegs. that is a stiff book.

it is also a stiff book to hold someone's money for a long time until they started betting again. to me, that is the equivalent of a NO-PAY because, in fact, the money was NOT paid.

If ROYAL is correct, they would produce the tapes for inspection. OF, can you explain what ROYAL has to hide in not producing the original tapes for inspection?

No this is the equivalent of making an agreement under duress. A flip to a player signing off just to get anything back. They were getting trashed, and losing any credibility they were attempting to regain. They appear to be trying to hang in there, and were being bullied into paying another non deserving person, just to get it off the forums. But then the tapes were produced, for all of us to hear. Also, a slow pay is world's apart from a no pay. Bottom line, you either get paid or you don't. No gray areas there. As far as them producing the tapes for a lawyer? Are you living in make believe land? What lawyer, what court, who has jurisdiction here? That is all a smokescreen. If this was any other book besides Royal, they would play the tapes, that was the password, and account name, evens sounds like you. Nice try, you get squat. A bet is a bet. Especially a recorded phone bet. We wonder why the sportsbetting industry has a bad name? You keep avoiding my one simple question ID. Quit the sidestepping and answer it or I am done with you. How many books have altered or rigged phone tapes, in the history of offshorebetting? Answer please.

Nest Wishes...OF:howdy:

ID, the DA's Clark of RX debates. This glove does not fit, dear.

truthteller · Jul 10, 2005

If you really knew the owner of Royal you wouldn't be surprised if he were the first to alter tapes in the offshore industry.

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Jul 10, 2005

Why would they go through all of the trouble to alter or fake tapes and pay this stiff anyway? They only reason they would do that is to prove they do not have to pay him. You know when a Tej, Charlie or Eddie has got you, they close the doors and run. The chances of them being the first ever to do it, alter or fake tapes, then offer to pay anyway, and stay in business are almost nonexistent. What are the odds this guy bet, and denies it. About 99%. That happens all of the time. Tej is a known ripoff, but this is just not his MO. My belief is once they did get the tapes public, and the forum's opinions swung totally against the player, all of the watchdogs hid or disclaimered out. And Royal said, that is that, we are not being bullied to pay. Hey, all those slow pays have come back to bite them. Good, what comes around goes around. I witnessed the slow pay first hand, even worse than this guy. I never bet there again. I am not defending Royal and their slow pay games here. Maybe they should just hire David, as his antics would go well with their style. I must admit ironically they fit. Book that slow pays, gets a player who loses it back while waiting for slow pay, a match made in heaven.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

EveryGamblersDream · Jul 10, 2005

Once again Royal has NEVER been proven to stiff a player. Have they slow payed? Yes they have & that needs to be improved.

This guy is a scammer & doesn't deserve a penny regardless of what the bandwagon Royal haters might think.

truthteller · Jul 10, 2005

You really don't know Tej. He doesn't open and shut up shop and run after a few incidents. He milks it for all it is worth which could be for 3-5 years and then runs. Pyramid/Scores were open for at least 5 years before he closed that up last year.

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Jul 10, 2005

What is he milking here? Bad press or losing more customers. You do not line up customers to ripoff by publicly airing dirty laundry. Again, no one is debating what a crook tej is, although you seem to regress to that. Are the tapes authentic, and should the player be paid? Start another I know tej is a crook thread. I see no one disagreeing here. Next.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

go2guy · Jul 10, 2005

Clip Joint said:
I agree with all the posts in this thread:

#1- You are full of shit.

#2- Royal has no honesty or integrity whatsoever.

Nothing more needs to be said. Game, set and phucking match! :103631605

CAPNCRUNCH · Jul 10, 2005

This whole thing is like when I used to watch Perry Mason and right before the credits, Perry mason would solve the case with a mystery witness! How come it took weeks or even months before these tapes came to light? Even after a settlement was reached! All of a sudden someone suddenly remembered they had this guy dead to rights on tape! All just a little too convenient and coiincidental! Like I have said before, I believe the principals in this case know the truth, but we may never know ourselves. Everyone else is just speculating until these tapes are verified as authentic or fakes! P.S. I used to love Della!:drink:

Jacksorbetter+ · Jul 10, 2005

Royal might not have stiffed anyone but they did charge a guy 6K in Western Union fees to withdraw 5k. They robbed the guy after holding a gun to his head to take their deal or get nothing.

How is it that Drunkguy states he heard the tape but Royal cannot produce these tapes? I cannot believe Royal would agree to pay this money if this guy actually made these plays. Something stinks in this story and I'll back the player over a book that tries to rob a player on Western Union fees.

Orangemen · Jul 10, 2005

See maybe the player did place the bet, but since royal won't release the original none of us know what else might have been said. Did they pressure the player to keep playing. Did they tell him they didn't have money and he would have wait till football? See by royal holding the tapes I have to wonder they are trying to hide something. Ya I believe the player placed the bets but i think royal tied his hands into doing it and they don't want us to hear it.All I can say is none of us know what really happened. Think about it does royal think we are that stupid. If you owned a business and you were innocent don't you think you would do anything to clear your name. I would.

I can assure you royal is hiding something here and i think those tapes everyone has listened to have some important conversations missing.

Major and all you royal backers ask yourself WHY would royal go through all the horrible publicity if all they had to do was handover some tapes. PLEASE like we are that stupid.

TOW · Jul 10, 2005

This whole drama is disheartening to say the least. Lets try to put speculations aside and focus on the facts:

By Royal's admission the player had been slow paid twice, the first time for three weeks, the second time for four weeks.

Royal had publicly apologized about the situation the player had incurred into and stated the player would have been paid as a compensation for the slow pays.

The day after MW posts the alleged copies of the tapes. Russ, who has heard the players voice on his tape recorder since he never directly spoke to him, says "it's him !"

A few days later, while Amit Jain is corresponding with the Attorney appointed by the parties to independently process the forensic audit of the tapes and promises to provide the Attorney the FedEX number of the shipment of the tapes, Russ Hawkins candidly posts that he is in cahoots with Royal to try to make Ken back off.

The same Ken to whom Royal had promised 100K worth of ads money to rule in their favor.

At the same time the player makes himself available to take a lie detector and welcomes the audit of the tapes.

Last Friday, when neither the tracking # of the shipment nor the tapes have reached the Attorney , the player contacts Royal.

Kevin King tells the player Royal would love to have him back and they would be willing to compensate him provided he sends them a document in which he stated he lied.

Sorry gentlemen, unless these damn tapes finally make their way to the Attorney and prove the contrary, I am definitely induced to believe the player over Royal.

CAPNCRUNCH · Jul 10, 2005

ak5387 said:
See maybe the player did place the bet, but since royal won't release the original none of us know what else might have been said. Did they pressure the player to keep playing. Did they tell him they didn't have money and he would have wait till football? See by royal holding the tapes I have to wonder they are trying to hide something. Ya I believe the player placed the bets but i think royal tied his hands into doing it and they don't want us to hear it.All I can say is none of us know what really happened. Think about it does royal think we are that stupid. If you owned a business and you were innocent don't you think you would do anything to clear your name. I would.

I can assure you royal is hiding something here and i think those tapes everyone has listened to have some important conversations missing.

Major and all you royal backers ask yourself WHY would royal go through all the horrible publicity if all they had to do was handover some tapes. PLEASE like we are that stupid.

Excellent points! :103631605

ChuckSims · Jul 10, 2005

Bet Royal is nothin but a scam operation. Royal announced a settlement had been reached to pay this bettor 20k. Now Royal is STIFFING this bettor. However, they now agree they will pay the player if he makes a statement that he lied. The player says no way. The biggest crook in the off shore business(TEJ) controls Royal. If we as posters turn a blind eye, there is no telling what this crook might try next.

truthteller · Jul 10, 2005

OMNIVOROUS FROG said:
What is he milking here? Bad press or losing more customers. You do not line up customers to ripoff by publicly airing dirty laundry. Again, no one is debating what a crook tej is, although you seem to regress to that. Are the tapes authentic, and should the player be paid? Start another I know tej is a crook thread. I see no one disagreeing here. Next.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

You are really dumb or too proud to admit you are wrong. Did you ever consider that only about 2% of players know about these forums so he can continually ripoff people and still be in business.

I am not regressing to the fact that Tej is a crook. I brought it up because you have to consider what kind of thief is running Royal when you are talking about these tapes.

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Jul 10, 2005

I vote for really dumb. I have never seen a book rig tapes. But until the tapes are provided, they might as well not exist. And no watergate gaps please.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy: