Clemens a Yankee - Big shock

[LENBO]

First of all, don't try to change the subject, you're a lying sack of shit, as you tried to attribute something to me that I didn't say. Anybody who labours through this thread can see you're a lying pig ******. But, as far as things, changing, yeah, they have changed. Back then, you were 5.5 games out, and now, you're TEN games out, Jagoff....:missingte :toast: uppy: :lolBIG:

You didn't have to say it. The two sentences below from another one of your moronic posts says it for you.

Which one is it?

Should he have retired in his prime, quit during the season or released by the Yankees? Sounds like a statement from someone who thinks he's finished to me.

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Rivera: Talk about a 37 year old pitcher with a lot of miles on him getting old is silly? Why, because YOU say so? It's amazing you would be caught writing such a thing in public. Maybe one athlete out of 500 stops playing because he quits at his peak (or dies). The other 499 quit or are released because they decline, and Rivera isn't any different from anybody else. I don't recall many banjo hitters turning on his fastball to hit come from behind, game winning walkoffs, as has already happened this year, but I'm sure it's "silly" to be concerned about THAT, too...

 

[LENBO]

Btw, you didn't answer Cincy's question: why would the notoriously generous Yankees open their vault to Clemens, but refuse to do so to the Greatest Reliever of All Times, who also happens to be 7 years younger? What's the matter, Dickweed, cat got your crotch?:monsters-

Simple answer for a simple mind. Whether he gets his extension before the season or after (which he will get), the Yankees don't generally negotiate contract extensions during the season.

Simple enough, moron?

 

[raiderhater]

You didn't have to say it. The two sentences below from another one of your moronic posts says it for you.

Which one is it?

Should he have retired in his prime, quit during the season or released by the Yankees? Sounds like a statement from someone who thinks he's finished to me.



Rivera: Talk about a 37 year old pitcher with a lot of miles on him getting old is silly? Why, because YOU say so? It's amazing you would be caught writing such a thing in public. Maybe one athlete out of 500 stops playing because he quits at his peak (or dies). The other 499 quit or are released because they decline, and Rivera isn't any different from anybody else. I don't recall many banjo hitters turning on his fastball to hit come from behind, game winning walkoffs, as has already happened this year, but I'm sure it's "silly" to be concerned about THAT, too...

C'mon, you can't possibly be that stupid! Try to follow along here: there is a difference between being IN DECLINE and FINISHED. RIVERA...IS IN...DECLINE, and anybody with an IQ above room temperature-which would exclude YOU-can both see that from watching him and by looking at his stats, which are easily the worst they have ever been at this point of the season. I never said he was finished, but YOU said that I did, therefore you are a steaming, heaping, fly infested sack of shit. Got that? And, what, no snappy comeback about your remarkably observant comment that there being big changes between now and two months ago, one of those changes being that the Skanks are almost twice as far back as they were then? :nono5:

 

[raiderhater]

Simple answer for a simple mind. Whether he gets his extension before the season or after (which he will get), the Yankees don't generally negotiate contract extensions during the season.

Simple enough, moron?

Wtf are you babbling about?? First of all, he was in negotiations BEFORE the season, and was very unhappy that he didn't get what he wanted by the time the season began, and secondly, they "generally" don't negotiate such things, huh? Do you even know what the word GENERALLY means? Here's a hint: it DOESN'T mean "never", and if you're EVER gonna make an exception, it'd be when you want to tie up the GOAT reliever. So much for THAT stupid fucking argument, Nut Job, try again...:missingte :thumbsup: uppy: :toast: :lolBIG:

 

[LENBO]

Like I said earlier, you didn't have to say it, your answer says it all.

You must have meant in Decline and not Done here as well with this answer


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Every year people say Rivera is done. Every year he rebounds and shuts people up. Maybe he is finally done but it won't be the first time alot of people have looked silly for saying it if he isn't.
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"Every" year has nothing to do with THIS year-and in any event, how many years past has he had this high an ERA, this many blown saves and
"holds" this early in the year? And how many times has he been 37 and disgruntled while doing it?
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[LENBO]

Wtf are you babbling about?? First of all, he was in negotiations BEFORE the season, and was very unhappy that he didn't get what he wanted by the time the season began, and secondly, they "generally" don't negotiate such things, huh? Do you even know what the word GENERALLY means? Here's a hint: it DOESN'T mean "never", and if you're EVER gonna make an exception, it'd be when you want to tie up the GOAT reliever. So much for THAT stupid fucking argument, Nut Job, try again...:missingte :thumbsup: uppy: :toast: :lolBIG:

Yeah, real stupid argument. Here are your facts right from an ESPN article that proves they almost never negotiate in season.

When the time comes to negotiate at the end of the season he will get his contract and be in a Yankee uniform next year MORON !!


The New York Yankees are willing to bend their own rules to keep Alex Rodriguez in pinstripes beyond this season.
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The Yankees have changed their traditional stance and are now willing to negotiate during the season with their star third baseman on a contract extension, MLB sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.


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[cincy_]

Simple answer for a simple mind. Whether he gets his extension before the season or after (which he will get), the Yankees don't generally negotiate contract extensions during the season.

Simple enough, moron?

We're talking about the past winter ... not this season ... Posada and Rivera wanted an extension during this off-season ... yet the Skankees didn't make a counter-offer to Rivera.

 

[cincy_]

Let's talk about the last few big games that Rivera has pitched.

ALCS against the Red Sox in 2004, blew the clinching game and paved the way for the comeback from 3-0 down.

World Series against Arizona, blew it in Game 7.

How far do you have to go to find a big-time save for Rivera? 2002?

 

[raiderhater]

Like I said earlier, you didn't have to say it, your answer says it all.

You must have meant in Decline and not Done here as well with this answer


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Every year people say Rivera is done. Every year he rebounds and shuts people up. Maybe he is finally done but it won't be the first time alot of people have looked silly for saying it if he isn't.

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"Every" year has nothing to do with THIS year-and in any event, how many years past has he had this high an ERA, this many blown saves and
"holds" this early in the year? And how many times has he been 37 and disgruntled while doing it?
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Once again, you show your monumental stupidity: the word "finished" or "done" is nowhere to be seen, Jagoff. This year is going to be the THIRD CONSECUTIVE YEAR that Rivera's save total has declined, and his ERA has gone UP 3 of the last 4 years, including being MUCH higher this year. But, naaaah, he's not in decline, NOOOOOO problemo. You're so fucking stupid it's downright scary...:monsters- :missingte :nono5:

 

[raiderhater]

Yeah, real stupid argument. Here are your facts right from an ESPN article that proves they almost never negotiate in season.

When the time comes to negotiate at the end of the season he will get his contract and be in a Yankee uniform next year MORON !!


The New York Yankees are willing to bend their own rules to keep Alex Rodriguez in pinstripes beyond this season.
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The Yankees have changed their traditional stance and are now willing to negotiate during the season with their star third baseman on a contract extension, MLB sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.


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You REALLY need to ease up on the drugs: I pointed out that they DO negotiate during the season and/or renegotiate when it suits their purposes, and when they think that the player is worth it, and you break up an article that EXACTLY supports that! You proved my mind, Asshole, and you're acting like you WON something, unbelievable! They obviously thought that A-Fraud was worth it-and Scumboy, too-but they didn't think that Rivera was worth it, or they'd have given him the money that he wanted BEFORE this season, not AFTER (as if a fucking clueless prick like YOU knows what the Skanks are gonna do after the [house cleaning] end of the season, lol!). Whatta putz...

 

[raiderhater]

Let's talk about the last few big games that Rivera has pitched.

ALCS against the Red Sox in 2004, blew the clinching game and paved the way for the comeback from 3-0 down.

World Series against Arizona, blew it in Game 7.

How far do you have to go to find a big-time save for Rivera? 2002?

Good points! He blew saves in both Game 4 AND Game 5 of the 2004 ALCS.

 

[tkf18ny]

Rivera doesnt get these fucking John Wettland saves up by 3 for 1 inning
So many of his saves are up by 1 in the 8th
He never implodes like Billy Wagner giving up 4 or 5 runs b/c he cant find the zone
Hes human simple as that


Saves are a complete joke of a stat
Some jerkoff comes in up by 3 int he 9th gives up 2 runs and gets a save
Rivera always comes in the 8th and the Yankee playa ton of 1 run playoff games

Sure he blew game 7 of the World Series in 2001
Im sure tons of other closers wouldnt have blown it becuase they wouldnt have given up 1 run in the playoffs in the previous 15 innings that year so their teams wouldnt have sniffed game 7

River fucked up in Boston no doubt about that
But Boston still had to win 2 extra inning games then win 2 in the Bronx to win the series
Hard to put that all on river
Torre managed that series as poorly as Ive ever seen espeically in game 5 when he let that piece of shit choke artist Tom Gordon pitch the 8th. Fucken clown has given up 17 runs in 19 2/3playoff innings and that cuntfuck torre wants to save Rivera- brillaint
This is how Rivera "blew" that game (why bother checking your facts its easier to to blame him)

RED SOX 8TH: Ortiz homered; Millar walked; ROBERTS RAN FOR
MILLAR; Nixon singled to center [Roberts to third]; KAPLER RAN
FOR NIXON; RIVERA REPLACED GORDON (PITCHING); Varitek hit a
sacrifice fly to center [Roberts scored]; Mueller grounded out
(first unassisted) [Kapler to second]; Bellhorn struck out; 2 R,
2 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Yankees 4, Red Sox 4.



Wow he came in with first and 3rd and no outs and the guy from 3rd scored then pitched a scoreless ninth- someone should shoot him in the head

The guy isnt perfect but if you have a one run lead in a playoff game and want anyone else closing it out you don't know your head from your asshole

 

[raiderhater]

Rivera doesnt get these fucking John Wettland saves up by 3 for 1 inning
So many of his saves are up by 1 in the 8th
He never implodes like Billy Wagner giving up 4 or 5 runs b/c he cant find the zone
Hes human simple as that


Saves are a complete joke of a stat
Some jerkoff comes in up by 3 int he 9th gives up 2 runs and gets a save
Rivera always comes in the 8th and the Yankee playa ton of 1 run playoff games

Sure he blew game 7 of the World Series in 2001
Im sure tons of other closers wouldnt have blown it becuase they wouldnt have given up 1 run in the playoffs in the previous 15 innings that year so their teams wouldnt have sniffed game 7

River fucked up in Boston no doubt about that
But Boston still had to win 2 extra inning games then win 2 in the Bronx to win the series
Hard to put that all on river
Torre managed that series as poorly as Ive ever seen espeically in game 5 when he let that piece of shit choke artist Tom Gordon pitch the 8th. Fucken clown has given up 17 runs in 19 2/3playoff innings and that cuntfuck torre wants to save Rivera- brillaint
This is how Rivera "blew" that game (why bother checking your facts its easier to to blame him)

RED SOX 8TH: Ortiz homered; Millar walked; ROBERTS RAN FOR
MILLAR; Nixon singled to center [Roberts to third]; KAPLER RAN
FOR NIXON; RIVERA REPLACED GORDON (PITCHING); Varitek hit a
sacrifice fly to center [Roberts scored]; Mueller grounded out
(first unassisted) [Kapler to second]; Bellhorn struck out; 2 R,
2 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Yankees 4, Red Sox 4.



Wow he came in with first and 3rd and no outs and the guy from 3rd scored then pitched a scoreless ninth- someone should shoot him in the head

The guy isnt perfect but if you have a one run lead in a playoff game and want anyone else closing it out you don't know your head from your asshole

About the only thing that you said that is correct is that some saves are tougher than others, but otherwise you show that either you're a liar or don't know what you're talking about, my guess is both. Who said that he was perfect, Asshole? Nobody. I said he has been in decline, which he has, and Cincy pointed out that, despite the fact that some people seem to think that he's close to automatic-you know, like, perfect?-he has blown some big games. "Rivera always comes in the 8th and the Yankee playa ton of 1 run playoff games." There's a ridiculously stupid lie, he has frequently come in the 9th inning of games, most notably against Arizona in Game Seven, Jagoff!!!! As for the the 5th game of the 2004 ALCS, I didn't utter a word about how tough a save it was-although we've seen him get out of jams that tough before-I just said that he didn't get the save, which is an indisputable fact. Since your asshole is obviously still sore from that elephant sized buggering from the Mother of All Chokes in 2004, slap some more oinment on your dirt shoot and STFU...

 

[raiderhater]

Yeah, real stupid argument. Here are your facts right from an ESPN article that proves they almost never negotiate in season.

When the time comes to negotiate at the end of the season he will get his contract and be in a Yankee uniform next year MORON !!


The New York Yankees are willing to bend their own rules to keep Alex Rodriguez in pinstripes beyond this season.
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The Yankees have changed their traditional stance and are now willing to negotiate during the season with their star third baseman on a contract extension, MLB sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.


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Let's have a little recap of the last week: Rivera almost blows the save in the last game against Cleveland, does blow the save Monday, and gets shelled today. He's on pace for his highest ERA-by a lot-and lowest save total in umpteen years. But is he declining? Naaaaaaaaaaaaah...:missingte :nohead: :toast: :WTF:

 

[LENBO]

No , he's DONE . The Yankees aren't catching the Red Sox and they're not as good as the other teams that are in wild card contention so they're not making the playoffs. You had this figured out over two months ago.

 

[raiderhater]

No , he's DONE . The Yankees aren't catching the Red Sox and they're not as good as the other teams that are in wild card contention so they're not making the playoffs. You had this figured out over two months ago.

Ultimately, they won't do either, but that remains to be seen. What does NOT remain to be seen is whether or not Mo is in decline, which only an idiot would deny...which is where YOU come in... :toast: :lol: :missingte hno: :nohead:

 

[LENBO]

Only an idiot would use the words RIVERA and DONE in the same sentence.:missingte

 

[raiderhater]

Only an idiot would use the words RIVERA and DONE in the same sentence.:missingte

Only an illiterate, lying sack of shit would continue to tell the same lie throughout a lengthy thread: I didn't say he was DONE, you ignorant pig ******, I said he was in :bigfinger :youmad: ...

 

[LENBO]

Only an illiterate, lying sack of shit would continue to tell the same lie throughout a lengthy thread: I didn't say he was DONE, you ignorant pig ******, I said he was in :bigfinger :youmad:

Oh really now -


You're too fucking stupid to remember what you had for breakfast so how can you be expected to remember what you wrote over two months ago. Got an explanation for this ?

:lol: :missingte




Fughedaboutit: Abreu aged about 5 years in the last year, Giambi off the juice AND uppers is no longer a force, Pavano was one of the worst pitching acquisitions ever (and that's SAYING something on a team that shelled out for Kevin Clown, among others), April-Rod has, as has been previously pointed out, cooled down, the middle relief (as today showed, yet again), has been poor, a soon-to-be-45 year old pitcher who has been off for 9 months is not the solution, and, last, but DEFINITELY not least, Rivera is done-and any chance he had to be "un-done" isn't gonna happen with him pitching, oh, every 10 days or so. They're NOT catching Boston and since there are at least 3 teams in the AL Central better than they are, they're not getting the WC, either. Ahhhhh, ain't life grand...
:thumbsup: :missingte :banger: :toast: uppy: :howdy:

 

[raiderhater]

Only an illiterate, lying sack of shit would continue to tell the same lie throughout a lengthy thread: I didn't say he was DONE, you ignorant pig ******, I said he was in :bigfinger :youmad:

Oh really now -


You're too fucking stupid to remember what you had for breakfast so how can you be expected to remember what you wrote over two months ago. Got an explanation for this ?

:lol: :missingte




Fughedaboutit: Abreu aged about 5 years in the last year, Giambi off the juice AND uppers is no longer a force, Pavano was one of the worst pitching acquisitions ever (and that's SAYING something on a team that shelled out for Kevin Clown, among others), April-Rod has, as has been previously pointed out, cooled down, the middle relief (as today showed, yet again), has been poor, a soon-to-be-45 year old pitcher who has been off for 9 months is not the solution, and, last, but DEFINITELY not least, Rivera is done-and any chance he had to be "un-done" isn't gonna happen with him pitching, oh, every 10 days or so. They're NOT catching Boston and since there are at least 3 teams in the AL Central better than they are, they're not getting the WC, either. Ahhhhh, ain't life grand...
:thumbsup: :missingte :banger: :toast: uppy: :howdy:

It's not POSSIBLE that you're really that stupid!!!!! How many times do I have to say it, you "continue to tell the same lie throughout a lengthy thread..." as in, THIS thread, not any earlier ones. Nowhere in THIS thread did I call him done, as in earlier ones, even though he IS done, as far as being a top closer goes: as previously noted, his ERA is easily the worst it has been since he became a closer, and almost a run worst than the league leading closer. His saves are barely 1/2 as much as the league leader and project to his worst year ever, as does his BAA. His strikeoutrs are barely 1/4 of the league leader. And with all of this evidence, you're still acting like he's the same 'ole Mo, showing yourself to be an idiot of monstrous proportions. Oh, brother...:nono5: hno: :missingte :bigfinger :nohead: