The sad fact is that what happened to pts appears to have happend to panam. You have a couple of guys that have a lot of experience and decide to start their own book. They get some investors and convince them that they will see great returns. But unfortunately, instead of making money, they lose money. Investors get tired of taking a loss, and take back thier funding, leaving the operators scrambling for new investors. But now that football is over, the only someone has of maing money running a sportsbook is if march madness is really good. It will defintiely be a tough sale. But Scotty's been around for a while. Hopefully he has enough friends that someone will give him an infusion of cash to keep the operation going alittle longer.
Ken
Just wondering, are you owed any money by BetPanam? This whole situation seems so terribly bizare given the positive words from you and others not so long ago.
This is just not good. How can one be certain that any offshore book won't just arbitrarily just take the decision to stop paying winners?
There appears to be no repercussion for these inscrutable operators.
VVV
Just wondering, are you owed any money by BetPanam? This whole situation seems so terribly bizare given the positive words from you and others not so long ago.
This is just not good. How can one be certain that any offshore book won't just arbitrarily just take the decision to stop paying winners?
There appears to be no repercussion for these inscrutable operators.
VVV
Ken
I know you like to ignore me, but perhaps answering this question will help others so
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> posted January 22, 2004 11:03 PM
Vini,
I actually owed Pan Am money (13,700) and paid them yesterday...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Were you scheduled to pay them yday or did you pay in advance of a settle figure to help out ?
I know you like to ignore me, but perhaps answering this question will help others so
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> posted January 22, 2004 11:03 PM
Vini,
I actually owed Pan Am money (13,700) and paid them yesterday...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Were you scheduled to pay them yday or did you pay in advance of a settle figure to help out ?
are you telling me with all the endorsement of PanAm, the seemingly "tight" connection between PanAm and RX, that NO ONE saw this coming? What happened to all the "offshore insiders".
What does this say about the RX's ability to "recommend" books? (I thought we had just went through this a couple of months ago with others books?)
Of all the book problems this year, this one definitely has the largest impact on the RX's reputation and credibility...
This is not just a blemish on the offshore industry, it is a blemish on the forums...
What does this say about the RX's ability to "recommend" books? (I thought we had just went through this a couple of months ago with others books?)
Of all the book problems this year, this one definitely has the largest impact on the RX's reputation and credibility...
This is not just a blemish on the offshore industry, it is a blemish on the forums...
Meyer, did not age well, all those years of fishing in the sun
Good post drunk
Intersting points, kind of curious as well
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> are you telling me with all the endorsement of PanAm, the seemingly "tight" connection between PanAm and RX, that NO ONE saw this coming? What happened to all the "offshore insiders".
What does this say about the RX's ability to "recommend" books? (I thought we had just went through this a couple of months ago with others books?)
Of all the book problems this year, this one definitely has the largest impact on the RX's reputation and credibility...
This is not just a blemish on the offshore industry, it is a blemish on the forums... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good post drunk
Intersting points, kind of curious as well
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> are you telling me with all the endorsement of PanAm, the seemingly "tight" connection between PanAm and RX, that NO ONE saw this coming? What happened to all the "offshore insiders".
What does this say about the RX's ability to "recommend" books? (I thought we had just went through this a couple of months ago with others books?)
Of all the book problems this year, this one definitely has the largest impact on the RX's reputation and credibility...
This is not just a blemish on the offshore industry, it is a blemish on the forums... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey guys,,thanks for the props with the question,,,, I have to be hones,,I am SO PERFUKNGPLEXED with the failure of THAT book,,I cannot beleive my eyes,,,
I can only blame to failure on them not marketing to more Squares,,,, and marketing too much HERE,,,, and some of the sharps HIT THEM,,,, hey,,lets be honest,,,,
I know most dont want to be,,, but GEESH,,
why else would abook as sharp as they get stung??? they put their hopes with the worng cats,they should of advertised at little league games,,,, and highschools,,,, haha,,, sad but true,,,,
this book is so damn sharp,,,,they would nt of had to move the line ANY,,,,
they could of opend the superbowl line at NE -10,,, and the squares would of LICKED IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!
thats the reason BET PAN AM is havign probs... you realize,,,, if you give them a few maonths,,the NUMBERS will fall in their favor,,,, and they will resecure themselves asa stnad up book,,,,, they need to hire new marketing,,, me for one,,, I will guarentee that ship will freaking sail,,,,
tater
"marketing genius"
I can only blame to failure on them not marketing to more Squares,,,, and marketing too much HERE,,,, and some of the sharps HIT THEM,,,, hey,,lets be honest,,,,
I know most dont want to be,,, but GEESH,,
why else would abook as sharp as they get stung??? they put their hopes with the worng cats,they should of advertised at little league games,,,, and highschools,,,, haha,,, sad but true,,,,
this book is so damn sharp,,,,they would nt of had to move the line ANY,,,,
they could of opend the superbowl line at NE -10,,, and the squares would of LICKED IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!
thats the reason BET PAN AM is havign probs... you realize,,,, if you give them a few maonths,,the NUMBERS will fall in their favor,,,, and they will resecure themselves asa stnad up book,,,,, they need to hire new marketing,,, me for one,,, I will guarentee that ship will freaking sail,,,,
tater
"marketing genius"
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BillDozer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Maybe, but another learning experience for all of us. As long as we try and prevent the same mistakes over<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
General,
If I may ask (sincerely), What have you learned form this one?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
We have learned that anyone can go under and to keep very low and reasonable balances with any book you do business with. what else is there? I lost my ass with Aces Gold, and sure this one will hurt people, but Billdozer, business go under all over the world every single day. Bottom line, keep your balances to a serious minimum, and your wins will eclipse a small bump. I will guarantee you that all people who got seriously burned by aces gold and learned their lessons to keep small balances are laughing tonight in comparison.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Maybe, but another learning experience for all of us. As long as we try and prevent the same mistakes over<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
General,
If I may ask (sincerely), What have you learned form this one?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
We have learned that anyone can go under and to keep very low and reasonable balances with any book you do business with. what else is there? I lost my ass with Aces Gold, and sure this one will hurt people, but Billdozer, business go under all over the world every single day. Bottom line, keep your balances to a serious minimum, and your wins will eclipse a small bump. I will guarantee you that all people who got seriously burned by aces gold and learned their lessons to keep small balances are laughing tonight in comparison.
Meyer,
How about not sending people to a book that hasn't made it through a football season?
That was the answer we were looking for. But we will send you off with this brand new George Foreman Grill!! Thanks for playing!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I lost my ass with Aces Gold, and I will guarantee you that all people who got seriously burned by aces gold and learned their lessons to keep small balances are laughing tonight in comparison. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
laugh it up
How about not sending people to a book that hasn't made it through a football season?
That was the answer we were looking for. But we will send you off with this brand new George Foreman Grill!! Thanks for playing!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I lost my ass with Aces Gold, and I will guarantee you that all people who got seriously burned by aces gold and learned their lessons to keep small balances are laughing tonight in comparison. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
laugh it up
Hey no offense,,, but you roll the dice you pay the price,,,,
say that 500 hundred times,,,,you want saftey then go to OLY, skybook, cris, Pinnacle, Casablanca,
anyone that loses money here,,UGH,, that sucks,,, but lets be honest,,they were a Horrid book for sharps,,horrid,,, they moved the line faster than a Fing SPEEDING BULLET,,,, I mean,,noone was faster,!!! NO ONE,,thats why I am so damend Blown away,,,,
anyway,,,,
good luck to alll
geesh,,, this is what sucks about this industry,,,and it will ALWAYS be this way till the US leagalizes this shit,,,
Tater
say that 500 hundred times,,,,you want saftey then go to OLY, skybook, cris, Pinnacle, Casablanca,
anyone that loses money here,,UGH,, that sucks,,, but lets be honest,,they were a Horrid book for sharps,,horrid,,, they moved the line faster than a Fing SPEEDING BULLET,,,, I mean,,noone was faster,!!! NO ONE,,thats why I am so damend Blown away,,,,
anyway,,,,
good luck to alll
geesh,,, this is what sucks about this industry,,,and it will ALWAYS be this way till the US leagalizes this shit,,,
Tater
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BillDozer:
Meyer,
How about not sending people to a book that hasn't made it through a football season?
That was the answer we were looking for. But we will send you off with this brand new George Foreman Grill!! Thanks for playing!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I lost my ass with Aces Gold, and I will guarantee you that all people who got seriously burned by aces gold and learned their lessons to keep small balances are laughing tonight in comparison. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
laugh it up<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I didn't really consider the fact that they were a new book. I tend to agree with you that maybe these sites should only back books that have a long standing track record. I think you make a very very valid point there. The Shrink, it appears got taken in by all of the Hype and the fact that this was supposedly "bonded by Panama". That is what sucked me in, i have to admit it. I basically assumed that nothing was stronger than having a book backed by the government. I should have listened to a friend of mine who told me that Panama, and anything associated with it is never to be trusted. I guess we all fuked up again.
Meyer,
How about not sending people to a book that hasn't made it through a football season?
That was the answer we were looking for. But we will send you off with this brand new George Foreman Grill!! Thanks for playing!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I lost my ass with Aces Gold, and I will guarantee you that all people who got seriously burned by aces gold and learned their lessons to keep small balances are laughing tonight in comparison. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
laugh it up<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I didn't really consider the fact that they were a new book. I tend to agree with you that maybe these sites should only back books that have a long standing track record. I think you make a very very valid point there. The Shrink, it appears got taken in by all of the Hype and the fact that this was supposedly "bonded by Panama". That is what sucked me in, i have to admit it. I basically assumed that nothing was stronger than having a book backed by the government. I should have listened to a friend of mine who told me that Panama, and anything associated with it is never to be trusted. I guess we all fuked up again.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BillDozer:
Meyer,
How about not sending people to a book that hasn't made it through a football season?
That was the answer we were looking for. But we will send you off with this brand new George Foreman Grill!! Thanks for playing!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I lost my ass with Aces Gold, and I will guarantee you that all people who got seriously burned by aces gold and learned their lessons to keep small balances are laughing tonight in comparison. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
laugh it up<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Also, i want to take back the laughing comment by saying that if you knew how bad I took it in the shorts with the Aces Gold nightmare, that to me, this is laughable by comparison. the aces gold nightmare reminded me of the scene in Pulp fiction, where i was the star getting banged by Jed. This wasn't as bad.
Meyer,
How about not sending people to a book that hasn't made it through a football season?
That was the answer we were looking for. But we will send you off with this brand new George Foreman Grill!! Thanks for playing!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I lost my ass with Aces Gold, and I will guarantee you that all people who got seriously burned by aces gold and learned their lessons to keep small balances are laughing tonight in comparison. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
laugh it up<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Also, i want to take back the laughing comment by saying that if you knew how bad I took it in the shorts with the Aces Gold nightmare, that to me, this is laughable by comparison. the aces gold nightmare reminded me of the scene in Pulp fiction, where i was the star getting banged by Jed. This wasn't as bad.
