9-11, 20 years later, do you think it was an inside job?

[Michelangelo]

I am waiting to hear from somebody why one hour after we were attacked, a plane hits our Pentagon, was not challenged by our Air Force

I would say that it's because they didn't have the balls to shoot down a US airliner.

Since Trump we have seen that the deep state operates like someone trying to run in thick knee deep goo. Correctness and politeness gets in the way of hard decisions that your top military brass should make in a crisis. The way the military handled the Afghanistan withdrawal is the most recent evidence. Milley was publicly futzing over "white rage" when two months later it is now clear that he should have been laser focused on the tall task of withdrawing from Afghanistan.

Incompetence rules at the highest levels of our government. Respond appropriately in a military crisis? Not capable without a clear thinking hard ass commander in chief. Do you think that Bush fit that profile? I don't.

 

[MAGAking1]

Trump knew that planes alone could not cause that kind of damage

 

[festeringZit]

So we knew of the flight for a long time, to Washington DC, it hit The Pentagon about an hour after the Twin Towers were rammed, and our military did nothing? Where was the Air Force? Don't they protect our capital with F-18's?

Explain, please.

I should have been more specific. The air traffic controllers tracked the flight as normal, until the hijackers turned off the transponder.

The situation is very easy to research for anyone with a modicum of intelligence. For the kooks that claim that AA flight 77 didn't hit the pentagon, they need to explain where AA flight 77 and all it's passengers disappeared to, and why numerous eye witnesses claim to have seen the plane hit the pentagon. Oh, and all the AA flight 77 plane parts strewn about the wreckage.



8:54 The westbound plane turned to the south, a deviation from its flight plan.

8:56 Airplane’s transponder was turned off. Radar contact was also lost. An air traffic controller at the Indianapolis Air Traffic Control Center tried repeatedly to make contact with the pilot; receiving no response, he contacted American Airlines, which was similarly unsuccessful. Unaware of the earlier hijackings, the air traffic controllers began notifying other agencies that the plane might have crashed.

9:09 the Indianapolis Air Traffic Control Center notified the FAA regional centre that it had lost contact with flight 77.

9:12 one of the flight attendants, Renee May, used her cell phone to call her mother; she asked her mother to tell American Airlines that the flight had been hijacked.
9:14 Barbara Olson phoned her husband to tell him that the plane had been hijacked and that all the people aboard had been herded to the back of the plane. It was about that same time that the Indianapolis Air Traffic Control Center learned from American Airlines that other planes had been hijacked. A discussion ensued between the FAA command centre and Indianapolis, and another confused conversation took place between the FAA and the Northeast Air Defense Sector. In the meantime, flight 77 traveled undetected back toward Washington for 36 minutes.

9:32 Air traffic controllers at Dulles found an unidentified aircraft traveling east at a high rate of speed and notified their compatriots at Reagan National Airport. FAA officials at both airports notified the Secret Service, and controllers at Reagan ordered an airborne National Guard cargo plane to find and follow the unidentified aircraft.

9:34 flight 77 was 5 miles (8 km) west-southwest of the Pentagon; it executed a sharp turn and quick descent and dove toward the Pentagon

9:37 AA flight 77 hit's the pentagon

https://www.britannica.com/event/American-Airlines-flight-77

 

[MAGAking1]

If anyone wants to REALLY ask questions then start here......its long and comprehensive.....fuck what Mags says, fuck what the MSM tells you,,,,,find out for yourself

Some like to say we found a molehill and think its Everest but to me the Evidence is Everest and you pretend its just a molehill

 

[festeringZit]

[h=2]A missile hit the Pentagon[/h][FONT=&quot]Conspiracy theorist say major damage to The Pentagon resulted in a round-shaped blast hole – which they insist is more likely to be caused by a missile than aeroplane wings colliding with the building.

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And they say parts of a scrapped plane, including the tail, were moved to the Pentagon to create the illusion that a plane hit it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But this wild theory completely ignores the photographic evidence of the bodies of passengers and crew at the site.

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Thousands of people saw the plane fly into the Pentagon and then photographed the scene – making it impossible for anyone planting debris to not be seen.

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/9-11...ut-the-twin-towers-attacks-are-untrue-1186933
[/FONT]

 

[festeringZit]

[ Oh, yeah, and the ones that pulled off this trick were also able to place body parts of people around the crash site, as well as
clothes from passengers, and crew uniforms. ROFL!!! ]





THE PENTAGON ATTACK



How can a 125ft plane cause just a 16ft wide hole?



A Boeing 757 commercial airliner is 125ft wide and 155ft long. However, the plane that smashed into the Pentagon left an entry hole just 16ft across and an exit hole of just 12ft wide. How is this possible, ask sceptics? As far as many people are concerned, it is more likely that the Pentagon was hit by a satellite-guided missile controlled by the US military




The official ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report estimates that the hole punched into the outer E-Ring of the Pentagon’s reinforced concrete walls was actually about 75ft across, not 16ft, as has been widely misreported. That Flight 77 didn’t leave a 125ft, plane-shaped hole in the building is accounted for by the fact that one of the plane’s wings disintegrated when it hit the ground before impact and the other wing sheared off on impact, being of too lightweight a construction to penetrate reinforced concrete. The C-ring impact exit hole was, in fact, 12ft wide, not 16ft, and was most likely caused by the aircraft’s much sturdier landing gear punching its way through the building.


Where’s the debris?



Many point to the lack of debris in official photos taken after the plane hit the side of the Pentagon. When planes crash, they usually leave behind huge quantities of debris. How come a large commercial airliner hit a building yet left hardly any wreckage behind?

MOST OF FLIGHT 77 ENDED UP INSIDE THE PENTAGON, NOT OUTSIDE IT.
​

This claim is directly disputed by eyewitnesses who were first to respond. This includes Allyn E. Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC in Washington. Kilsheimer was the man who found Flight 77’s black box recorder, as well as holding sections of the plane’s tail in his hands and observing a wing impact mark on the side of the building before a large section of the Pentagon’s outer wall collapsed. He also saw bits of body parts scattered around the crash site, as well as crew uniforms and passenger clothing. Also, most of Flight 77 ended up inside the Pentagon, not outside it.



https://www.history.co.uk/article/the-biggest-911-conspiracy-theories-debunked

 

[barman]

I should have been more specific. The air traffic controllers tracked the flight as normal, until the hijackers turned off the transponder.

The situation is very easy to research for anyone with a modicum of intelligence. For the kooks that claim that AA flight 77 didn't hit the pentagon, they need to explain where AA flight 77 and all it's passengers disappeared to, and why numerous eye witnesses claim to have seen the plane hit the pentagon. Oh, and all the AA flight 77 plane parts strewn about the wreckage.



8:54 The westbound plane turned to the south, a deviation from its flight plan.

8:56 Airplane’s transponder was turned off. Radar contact was also lost. An air traffic controller at the Indianapolis Air Traffic Control Center tried repeatedly to make contact with the pilot; receiving no response, he contacted American Airlines, which was similarly unsuccessful. Unaware of the earlier hijackings, the air traffic controllers began notifying other agencies that the plane might have crashed.

9:09 the Indianapolis Air Traffic Control Center notified the FAA regional centre that it had lost contact with flight 77.

9:12 one of the flight attendants, Renee May, used her cell phone to call her mother; she asked her mother to tell American Airlines that the flight had been hijacked.
9:14 Barbara Olson phoned her husband to tell him that the plane had been hijacked and that all the people aboard had been herded to the back of the plane. It was about that same time that the Indianapolis Air Traffic Control Center learned from American Airlines that other planes had been hijacked. A discussion ensued between the FAA command centre and Indianapolis, and another confused conversation took place between the FAA and the Northeast Air Defense Sector. In the meantime, flight 77 traveled undetected back toward Washington for 36 minutes.

9:32 Air traffic controllers at Dulles found an unidentified aircraft traveling east at a high rate of speed and notified their compatriots at Reagan National Airport. FAA officials at both airports notified the Secret Service, and controllers at Reagan ordered an airborne National Guard cargo plane to find and follow the unidentified aircraft.

9:34 flight 77 was 5 miles (8 km) west-southwest of the Pentagon; it executed a sharp turn and quick descent and dove toward the Pentagon

9:37 AA flight 77 hit's the pentagon

https://www.britannica.com/event/American-Airlines-flight-77

LOL that you took the time to type all that in the year 2021

but a rueful 10x LOL that on NFL Opening Sunday this thread Topic dominates the Main Forum of what was at one time the leading website in the world for exchanging quality info about sports handicapping and all that entails

I have made my own likely mediocre efforts to stimulate active chat here in 2021 re SPORTS! and today is the day I realize it is like applying battery jumper cables to a cadaver and that any thought this site will ever revert to ACTIVE sportsbetting discussion is a woeful exercise in self-spanking

RIP Rx

zit you still have my yahoo email addy, 5TeamPar you know my fbook, Ricboff you gots my phone, carlito you are a really good sport but I am too old for this.....Best regards to the less than dozen men reading this thread who have not surrendered to the paranoia that TheWorldIsEnding and AmericaIsDying

 

[Seymour]

So what's the consensus - the twin towers were terrorists who hijacked two planes but the Pentagon was a cruise missile sent by Condi Rice and Donald Rumsfeld?

Im not a big fan of censorship but I'm not sure this internet thingy is working too well

 

[Seymour]

LOL that you took the time to type all that in the year 2021

but a rueful 10x LOL that on NFL Opening Sunday this thread Topic dominates the Main Forum of what was at one time the leading website in the world for exchanging quality info about sports handicapping and all that entails

I have made my own likely mediocre efforts to stimulate active chat here in 2021 re SPORTS! and today is the day I realize it is like applying battery jumper cables to a cadaver and that any thought this site will ever revert to ACTIVE sportsbetting discussion is a woeful exercise in self-spanking

RIP Rx

zit you still have my yahoo email addy, 5TeamPar you know my fbook, Ricboff you gots my phone, carlito you are a really good sport but I am too old for this.....Best regards to the less than dozen men reading this thread who have not surrendered to the paranoia that TheWorldIsEnding and AmericaIsDying

I must say - it's not just this forum - the country has turned into a bunch of loon that hate the US or conspiracy theory nutz

 

[MAGAking1]

[ Oh, yeah, and the ones that pulled off this trick were also able to place body parts of people around the crash site, as well as
clothes from passengers, and crew uniforms. ROFL!!! ]





THE PENTAGON ATTACK



How can a 125ft plane cause just a 16ft wide hole?



A Boeing 757 commercial airliner is 125ft wide and 155ft long. However, the plane that smashed into the Pentagon left an entry hole just 16ft across and an exit hole of just 12ft wide. How is this possible, ask sceptics? As far as many people are concerned, it is more likely that the Pentagon was hit by a satellite-guided missile controlled by the US military




The official ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report estimates that the hole punched into the outer E-Ring of the Pentagon’s reinforced concrete walls was actually about 75ft across, not 16ft, as has been widely misreported. That Flight 77 didn’t leave a 125ft, plane-shaped hole in the building is accounted for by the fact that one of the plane’s wings disintegrated when it hit the ground before impact and the other wing sheared off on impact, being of too lightweight a construction to penetrate reinforced concrete. The C-ring impact exit hole was, in fact, 12ft wide, not 16ft, and was most likely caused by the aircraft’s much sturdier landing gear punching its way through the building.


Where’s the debris?



Many point to the lack of debris in official photos taken after the plane hit the side of the Pentagon. When planes crash, they usually leave behind huge quantities of debris. How come a large commercial airliner hit a building yet left hardly any wreckage behind?

MOST OF FLIGHT 77 ENDED UP INSIDE THE PENTAGON, NOT OUTSIDE IT.
​

This claim is directly disputed by eyewitnesses who were first to respond. This includes Allyn E. Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC in Washington. Kilsheimer was the man who found Flight 77’s black box recorder, as well as holding sections of the plane’s tail in his hands and observing a wing impact mark on the side of the building before a large section of the Pentagon’s outer wall collapsed. He also saw bits of body parts scattered around the crash site, as well as crew uniforms and passenger clothing. Also, most of Flight 77 ended up inside the Pentagon, not outside it.



https://www.history.co.uk/article/the-biggest-911-conspiracy-theories-debunked

Looks like HIstory.co uses the old eyewitness accounts as "evidence"

My favortie line from article is this....haha damn right it is troubling,
The fact they are willing to believe their government is capable of carrying out such an atrocity is a troubling thought indeed.

 

[CoolBreeze22]

I am waiting to hear from somebody why one hour after we were attacked, a plane hits our Pentagon, was not challenged by our Air Force

Things take time, this isn't Star Trek, they can't magically beam themselves there. They don't have all the answers as to what is happening in real time like we do looking back in hindsight. The Pentagon was hit 34 minutes after the second plane hit the South Tower.

 

[MAGAking1]

Things take time, this isn't Star Trek, they can't magically beam themselves there. They don't have all the answers as to what is happening in real time like we do looking back in hindsight. The Pentagon was hit 34 minutes after the second plane hit the South Tower.

LOL

Yet stories about all these people supposedly seeing a commercial flight heading into Pentagon presents us the idea the "people were looking to the skies after the Twin Tower incident"


Yep random people in an office were getting better info than millitary intellicence....ointer:

 

[Shub]

They would never do that......

 

[MAGAking1]

Who remembers this little nugget

https://streamable.com/dgejwl

The Pentagon was hit by a missle ...err a plane

In what world do you think that was just an honest mistake,,,,,lol ....but no way could thay many people be involved in a cover upShush()*

 

[phdinsports]

Someone explain building 7

Another story

Do your research and you will see where these supposed "parts" of the plane came from


Again NO VIDEO evidence of the plane entering Pentagon exists......WHY NOT?

I know what were they thinking?!?!? All that planning and secrecy and they forgot to get a camera angle on the pentagon and someone screwed up by bringing down building seven!! They had too many cameras on the twin towers but someone dropped the ball and forgot to record the pentagon. It's amazing with all these screw ups that no one has yet to spill the beans on this inside job!
hno:

 

[Willie99]

Not you in particular brother. I’m just saying there’s a lot of weird ahit that happens. Not saying a plane didn’t hit the pentagon but this covid shit needs to go away.

I wanted to go to Germany and visit a friend and I need a vaccine card it says, F that. She said I can get the antigen test and that’s just as good. If I had covid it was over a year ago so not sure the antibodies would still show up. So who knows. It’s all annoying.

I'm 100% in your corner when it comes to COVID, the hyperbolic coverage needs to stop and there should be more balance in reporting

Butt the fucking scum of this earth never quit selling their narrative

 

[carlitosway]

I'm dumbfounded that people engage with MagKing a grown ass man with Trump as his avatar, he doesn't gamble but comes to a gambling board to stir up shit. And Shub the boy in the plastic bubble who doesn't dare to live his life cause he questions and is paranoid of everything. Hilarious!

 

[carlitosway]

Probably shouldn't be calling someone else dumb when you don't know the difference between there and their.

Dr.Love, journalist and English sub teacher, did you hack Carl's account as well as Cybersharp?

 

[MAGAking1]

Since you love to talk about supposed eye witness accounts then what about this guy and his CNN intereview on the scene

He was there on the spot

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6pcru

 

[MAGAking1]

I know what were they thinking?!?!? All that planning and secrecy and they forgot to get a camera angle on the pentagon and someone screwed up by bringing down building seven!! They had too many cameras on the twin towers but someone dropped the ball and forgot to record the pentagon. It's amazing with all these screw ups that no one has yet to spill the beans on this inside job!
hno:

Yep the old ignore the evicence because "that many people cant keep quiet" angle.

It is LITERALLY the favorite of Truth Deniers....we dont give a shit how much evidence you show us we refuse to accept it because that many people
cant keep quiet


LOL.....I think we know what happens to whilstleblowers, they are ignored , censored, mocked, or in other cases treatened or killed....