Kliff Kingsbury will be the next head coach of the Arizona Cardinals

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This is a shitty hire no matter how you spin it.

If they go from finishing 3-13 (worst record in the NFL) to the playoffs within two years will you believe it was a shitty hire then?

What type of success does Kingsbury need to have for you to admit your opinion was a bad one?
 

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He's an offensive savant, no doubt about that. It's a reach but not shocked they went that way given how the NFL is trending and the need to develop Rosen.
He has no clue on D though.
It could work if he gets a good defensive staff in there.
 

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He has no clue on D though.
It could work if he gets a good defensive staff in there.

Well, that's the thing. At the NFL level, a HC doesn't necessarily need to have a clue on that side of the ball if you bring in a good DC to completely take ownership of the defense.
 

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Well, that's the thing. At the NFL level, a HC doesn't necessarily need to have a clue on that side of the ball if you bring in a good DC to completely take ownership of the defense.
Then wouldn't it make more sense for a team to take a chance on him as an OC?
 

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If they go from finishing 3-13 (worst record in the NFL) to the playoffs within two years will you believe it was a shitty hire then?

What type of success does Kingsbury need to have for you to admit your opinion was a bad one?

Even if he turns it around, right now at this point in life, it's a bad hire. He's had no success anywhere.
 

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Even if he turns it around, right now at this point in life, it's a bad hire. He's had no success anywhere.

So according to you, if the Cardinals win the Super Bowl within two years this is still a bad hire?

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
 

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Then wouldn't it make more sense for a team to take a chance on him as an OC?

On the surface, sure. But he probably wasn't going to be lured away from USC for a coordinator position.

Look, I'm not necessarily in favor of this. All I'm saying is I will wait and see before reserving judgment. The same people that rip these sorts of bold moves when they happen, are the same people that disappear and never return when they are proven wrong a couple of years later.

I think we might have an example of one of those types right here in this thread.
 

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So according to you, if the Cardinals win the Super Bowl within two years this is still a bad hire?

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

I'm saying right now knowing what we know at this moment, it's a shitty hire as he hasn't ever produced results and there are countless more qualified coaches than him out there.

Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to defend this hire right now?
 

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I'm saying right now knowing what we know at this moment, it's a shitty hire as he hasn't ever produced results and there are countless more qualified coaches than him out there.

Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to defend this hire right now?

Who's defending the hire?

I'm a level headed, fair person. The Cardinals saw something in him they liked. I'm willing to wait and see how it goes. As a fan, nothing was worse than watching that product last season. That was the worst Cardinals team since they moved to AZ.

You seem pretty stubborn. To not admit you were wrong 2 years later if they win the Super Bowl is just plain dumb.

Something like this should absolutely be judged on results, not what some IT guy in Seattle or what Colin Cowherd thinks of it.
 

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NFL is all about young people innovating the game right now. He was going to be a hot commodity as an oc with how prolific the offense has remained under him at tech. He also got to work with 3 of the top drafted qbs in the last few drafts (mahomes, Mayfield, and manzel) who all had big time careers and two have translated well to the nfl, the third has been derailed by character issues. Agree with the above sentiment, they need to go out and get a big time DC and keep Kliff away from that side of the game. But I think he will be successful in bringing back value to david Johnson and finding ways to put rosen in a position to succeed. They need a wr and some oline help out there desperately.
 

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Who's defending the hire?

I'm a level headed, fair person. The Cardinals saw something in him they liked. I'm willing to wait and see how it goes. As a fan, nothing was worse than watching that product last season. That was the worst Cardinals team since they moved to AZ.

You seem pretty stubborn. To not admit you were wrong 2 years later if they win the Super Bowl is just plain dumb.

Something like this should absolutely be judged on results, not what some IT guy in Seattle or what Colin Cowherd thinks of it.

Stubborn? You're arguing with everyone here Kingsbury is the right fit.

Will you at least admit this hire is a stretch and there are more qualified coaches out there to choose from?
 

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Agree with the above sentiment, they need to go out and get a big time DC and keep Kliff away from that side of the game.

The defense two seasons ago with Arians and Boettcher was actually very good statistically. That D carried the team since they had Stanton and Blaine Gabbert at QB most of the season. Boettcher ran a 3-4. He had the personnel for a 3-4.

Then Wilkes comes in and won't budge off of his 4-3. It was a disaster. That defense was almost as bad as the offense.
 

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You're arguing with everyone here Kingsbury is the right fit.

You are not only stubborn, you have reading comprehension problems.

Nowhere in this thread have I said this is a good hire, the right fit, or that I think this will be successful.

This has just as good of a chance to be a complete disaster as it does to be a success.
 

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Will you at least admit this hire is a stretch and there are more qualified coaches out there to choose from?

I will admit the hire was unorthodox, bold, and risky. And there are tons of coaches out there with more experience. But that doesn't mean they would work or be the right fit for what the vision is in AZ.
 

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