Why do Black atheletes dominate sports in North America?

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I was responding to the threads title.

Why do blacks dominate sports in N.America?

And I put my reason.

If there are so many more white people that play then why dont they dominate?
 

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well if thats the case, why no Olympic swimmers? something to that, I mean swimming uses more muscles combined than any sport IMO...so it does seem strange that blacks are not strong swimmers in comparison to their dominance in everything else 'athletic'
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>At a young age and your playing basketball, football, baseball, your skills grow as you grow. The logical explanation for most blacks being so underachieved in Academics and more involved in Athletics is that they spend more time in the Athletic department. They would rather shoot some hoops, hit some baseballs, play some football then stay inside and write a paper. Which is great if your talent is above the rest. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>that is just plain wrong. the average white kid gets every piece of equipment and all the trips to basketball and football summer camp since he is 3. the average black kid has to either get a part time job or beg his mom just to get the kicks for a season of hoops.

you watch the NBA, who can play like shit and get away with it more? the white kid without the hops and speed or the black kid who jumps high as shit and gets down the court and to the ball faster?! what race actually plays the game better? you think lebron or wade look like nash in terms of playing the game? hell no they dont. . but they "got a good body on them" (as the scouts say) and know they got game enough they can overcome that stuff.
 

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Like I said those swimmers are taught at a young age. As you get older you get better. I havent come across many blacks that want to be proffesional swimmers or were taught at a young age.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Because the black man is the better athlete..very simple. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

JOURNEY, this is true perhpas for the North American Black, not worldwide however...

It is true for the North American Black due to the issues sourrouding slavery & their history as mentioned above...
 

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All the trips to the basketball or football lessons class and every piece of equipment by mother and father doesnt even come close to the black kid who goes out and plays on the playground with his fellow friends every single day, even to go as far as skipping school to play some ball. All those kids who skip college and head straight to to the NBA or whatever, did so for a reason. They werent worried about getting an "A" in mathmatics class. They only had one focus and that was playing the sport whichever they chose.

In all honesty I think the reason why Allen Iverson, Lebron James, Donovan McNabb's, Michael Vick's are so damn good is because they got to witness first hand nothing comes easy by playing those crazy playground games.
F the fouls! No 2 hand touch, this is all out tackle... And if you put yourself in that position every single day, you will gain talent.
If you go to the park, you dont see the white kids saying, I got next, or at least from what I have seen.
 

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1. genetics do play a part to some degree.....


imo.....blacks dominating most sports has become more of a socio-economic reason than genetics.......


the easiest way for many black people to excel in life is through sports......nowadays

go back to the 1920's through the 1950's......whites dominated boxing (a non-segregated sport)........most of these white boxers came from poor backgrounds, inner city, poor education, ect..just like many black atheletes today..

nowadays......poor whites are less likely to pursue sports in order to be successful.........while blacks on a whole pursue the pro-sports avenue..
 

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dpo, i understand your point but...ain't no socio-economic factor in being able to dunk a basketball from the free-throw line.
 

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And to get even further with the whole financial burden, most blacks dont have money to be spending going out on vacation, going out to eat for some lobster, hanging out like most normal americans do. They call it the "streets" for a reason.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EveryDayGambler:
... most blacks dont have money to be going out to eat for some lobster. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

to eat FOR some lobster? I guess that's it, because I'm white, and I would NEVER eat for a lobster. If a lobster can't eat for himself, he deserves to be steamed and dipped in drawn butter.

Is this really what "most normal amerians do"?!?

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its genetics, fast twitch muscle fibers, they are able to sprint and jump better, this shows more in our televised sports.. long distance running, lifting and swimming are different.. its that simple..
 

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LMAO UberTout...

Eating for ones self is enough IMO..accept for pregnant women , of course!
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> its genetics, fast twitch muscle fibers, they are able to sprint and jump better, this shows more in our televised sports.. long distance running, lifting and swimming are different.. its that simple.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you SSI,

HOWEVER

do you feel this is true for all blacks or simply North American Blacks... Blacks in many countries are not built the same way as North American Blacks after all...
 

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blue.........lol


i gotcha.......


but you guys are missing my point......."why do blacks dominate sports in North america"


even though genetics may play a significant role in blacks being the better athelete in some sports......blacks dominate sports because there are fewer choices for blacks to make....


look at the influx of non-american NBA players....from european and asian countries......many have skills and abilities that most americans thought only blacks had.......

how many times have you read about a white athelete giving up a pro-career in sports to pursue academics or a business career........all the time...


how many times has a black given up sports.....(robinson served in the military, before joining the nba....) not often...


lack of economic chances, help blacks dominate pro sports....more so than genetics.....jmo
 

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thats hard to tell because blacks in other countries are not as interested in sports as blacks in america.. im sure studies could or have been done.. the blacks in other countries do not know how to play football, they are catching up a little in bb and they are good in baseball if you look at cuba.. sad to say but alot of the countries are still 3rd world countries and have other things to worry about besides sports.... id still say their genetics would be greater in accordance with the fast twitch muscle fibers..
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>dpo, i understand your point but...ain't no socio-economic factor in being able to dunk a basketball from the free-throw line. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL
 

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Good topic. My opinion is that it has nothing to do with Socio-Economics but more to do with a genetic predisposition to faster twitch muscles and muscle develpment. Why? I dont know.

But it is a fact that races are physically different - and to ignore the fact that there hasnt been one caucasian or asian sprinter who was world class in the last 50 years should say something. EVERYBODY RUNS. Rich, poor, white, black, smart, dumb. So I throw out socio-economics.

And we are not living in the 1950's. There are lots of opportunities (some would say too many) for African Americans who stay the course. I know first hand.

I helped develop the following essay a few yrs ago: its long but interesting:

Next Saturday afternoon, in less time than it has taken me to type this sentence, the fastest man at the Olympics will take the 100m gold medal. That man may be the pre-Olympic favourite, the American Maurice Greene. It may be Trinidad's Ato Boldon. It may even be Britain's Dwaine Chambers, who has run into impressive form in the last few weeks. But whoever it is, of one thing we can be certain: he will be black. Indeed, you've probably got more chance of winning the lottery next Saturday than a white man has of even making it to the final. The last time that a white athlete participated in an Olympic 100m final, Jimmy Carter was still in the White House. And the last time a white athlete held the 100m world record, Khrushchev was ensconced in the Kremlin. Over the past decade, the 10 second mark in the 100m has been broken 200 times - but not once by a white athlete. Nor is it just at the 100m that whites are so noticeably absent. Every men's world record at every commonly-run track distance from 100m to the marathon now belongs to a runner of African descent.

Nor is there any respite for white sportsmen away from the Olympics. In 1950, the American Basketball Association was almost entirely white. Today it is 80 per cent black; among the stars the figure rises to 95 per cent. Sixty per cent of American footballers are black. France won the football World Cup and Euro 2000 with a team in which more than a third of the players were black. In boxing, the two world heavyweight champions - Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield - are black; there is not a single serious white contender for their crowns.

What lies behind such black domination of sport? The traditional liberal answer points the finger at social factors. Blacks, so the argument runs, have been driven into sport because racism has excluded them from most areas of employment. Racism also makes blacks hungrier than whites for success, and so they more often end up on the winners' rostrum. In the postwar world, largely as a consequence of the experience of the Holocaust, there has been a great reluctance to see human differences, indeed to view any aspect of human behaviour, in biological terms. Humans, we have come to believe, can be explained purely in terms of culture.

Increasingly, this antipathy to biology is wearing away. More and more, biologists, anthropologists and athletes themselves are looking to nature not nurture for an explanation of black domination. 'Blacks are made better', argues Carl Lewis, the African American athlete who won four golds at the 1984 Olympics. The American journalist Jon Entine dismisses the environmentalist theory of black athletic prowess as 'political correctness'. Entine's book, Taboo: Why Black Athletes Dominate Sports and Why We're Afraid to Talk About It was published in America earlier this year to great controversy. The liberal consensus, Entine argues, has served only to disguise the truth about the black domination of sport - which is that blacks are built to run and jump. It's an argument that's winning a hearing on this side of the Atlantic too. Last week, the BBC transmitted The Faster Race, produced by its Black Britain team, which argued the case for a natural black athleticism. Channel 4 begins shortly a three-part series, The Difference, which explores genetic differences between races, including in sport. It's time we put away our fears of talking about racial differences, the series argues, and faced up to the facts of genetic diversity.

The view that black sportsmen and women have a natural superiority rests on the evidence of physiological research, largely into two groups of athletes: East African long distance runners and West African sprinters. East Africa, and in particular Kenya, is the powerhouse of middle and long distance running. The top 60 times in the 3000m steeple chase are all held by Kenyan athletes, who also hold more than half the top times at 5000 and 10,000 metres. Kenyan men have won the world cross-country championship every year since 1986. At the Boston marathon, often considered the world's premier event, Kenyan men have not lost since 1990. Most remarkably, the vast majority of top Kenyan runners come from one area in the country - the Kalenjin region along the western rim of the Great Rift Valley, adjacent to Lake Victoria. Kalenjin runners have won more than seventy per cent of Kenya's Olympic medals in world running and all but one Kenyan-held world records.

A number of lines of research suggest that the secret of such spectacular success lies in superior biology. All muscle contains two kinds of fibres - fast-twitch and slow-twitch. The former is good at producing explosive bursts of energy, the latter at sustaining muscle effort over long periods. Physiologists have shown that the muscles of Kenyan athletes have a higher proportion of slow-twitch fibres than those of white or West African athletes. Kenyans also enjoy a slighter body profile, have relatively longer legs and larger lung capacities, and possess more energy-producing enzymes in their muscles which are better able to utilise oxygen.

Athletes of West African descent - which include most African American, Caribbean and black British athletes - have, on the other hand, a physique which is suited to explosive events, requiring sprinting and jumping. Such athletes possess what biologists call a mesomorphic physique with bigger, more visible muscles including a larger chest. Their muscles contain a higher proportion of fast-twitch fibres than do whites or East Africans. Athletes of West African descent also possess less body fat, a higher centre of gravity, narrower hips, and higher levels of testosterone in their blood.

For Entine such physiological and biomechanical differences demonstrate the natural superiority of black athletes. For Entine's critics, on the other hand, the very search for such differences demonstrates a racist outlook. 'I don't think it matters what the biological conclusions are', argues former footballer Garth Crooks. 'It forges a distinction between black and white athletes which is unhealthy, unhelpful and untrue.' According to the prestigious science journal Nature, 'The danger that interracial comparisons will be inhibited by considerations of political correctness is less serious than that interracial studies will be wrongly used.' 'There are some things better left unsaid', concluded the New York Times.

Such critics are responding to a long history of racism in which black athletic superiority has often been seen as evidence of intellectual backwardness. 'The Negro excels in the events he does because he is closer to the primitive than the white man', claimed Dean Cromwell, the head coach to the US team at the 1936 Berlin Olympics. 'It was not long ago that his ability to sprint and jump was a life-and-death matter to him in the jungle.' Today, too, scientific racists, such as the controversial Canadian psychologist Philippe J. Rushton, argue that there is a trade-off between brain and brawn, and that black athletic superiority has been purchased at the price of lower intelligence. In The Faster Race Rushton explained (with a perfectly straight face) that Asian and white infants are born with bigger heads than black infants. Hence Asian and white women have a bigger pelvic girdle than do black women. A smaller pelvis, Rushton claimed, is better suited to running. Asians and whites are brainier, blacks more athletic.

Such claims may seem to us deeply offensive. But this is no reason to close our eyes to scientific arguments about racial differences in sporting ability. The cause of antiracism is not strengthened by ignoring science or censoring data. Racial science is a pseudo-science, which ignores the truth about human differences; antiracists should not try to ape it. Moreover, the debate about differences in sporting abilities is part of a wider debate about the meaning of new knowledge about genetic diversity. Channel 4's The Difference links racial variation in physical attributes to racial variation in intelligence. The final programme in the series is largely given over to Charles Murray, co-author of The Bell Curve, to argue that black populations are naturally less intelligent that whites and Asians. Liberals who refuse to engage in the debate about natural difference are simply leaving the terrain open to the likes of Rushton and Murray.

The real problem with the 'blacks are born to run' thesis is not that it is politically incorrect and hence should be ignored but that it is factually incorrect and should be challenged. The most basic difficulty is the confusion of racial and population differences. Different population groups are clearly physically distinct. The Masai in Kenya tend to be taller and longer limbed than the stocky, short-limbed Inuit in the Arctic, because the body-forms of both have been shaped by natural selection to suit their particular environments. But the fact that there are physical differences between human groups does not mean that such differences can be reduced to racial distinctions, nor that such differences need have a meaningful consequence in human endeavour, whether that be sport or IQ tests.

It is certainly possible to divide humanity into a number of races, as we conventionally do, according to skin colour and body form. But it is also possible to do it many other ways - using, for instance, blood group, lactose-tolerance, sickle cell, or any other genetic trait, as the basis for our new 'races'. Genetically, each would be as valid a criterion as skin colour. The distribution of one physical or genetic characteristic - say skin colour - is not necessarily the same as that of another - such as blood group. The current division of the world into black, white, Asian and Oriental races is, in other words, as rooted in social convention as in genetics.

Entine rejects such criticisms as mere 'semantics'. But his own argument shows why it is not so. According to Entine, East Africans are naturally superior at endurance sports, West Africans at sprinting and jumping, and 'whites fall somewhere in the middle'. But if East and West Africans are at either end of a genetic spectrum of athletic abilities why consider them to be part of a single race, and one that is distinct from whites? Only because conventionally we use skin colour as the criterion of racial difference.

To understand why genetic notions of population difference are at odds with social ideas of race, consider the Australian athlete Cathy Freeman. Freeman, an Aborigine, is the hottest Australian athlete, and a good tip for the 400m Olympic gold. Because of their skin colour, Aborigines are often bracketed with sub-Saharan Africans as a 'black' race. Racial scientists have often argued that Australian Aborigines and black African are the two most primitive races in the world. Since Freeman's rise to prominence, there has been much speculation that Aborigines, like black Africans, are natural athletes. Genetically, however, there is no population in the world more distinct from those of sub-Saharan Africa than Australian Aborigines. Freeman is genetically closer to white athletes such as Britain's Katherine Merry than to black athletes such as America's Marion Jones. Here, as in much else, appearances can be deceptive.

Not only are genetic notions of population differences distinct from political concepts of race, but the physiology of human differences is not easy to interpret in sporting terms. Entine suggests that West Africans have relatively slender calves compared to whites, and that this helps their sprinting ability. It is difficult to see how, because muscle-power increases with cross-sectional area; smaller calves should make it harder, not easier, to excel in explosive sprinting events. Indeed 'slender calves' is the main biological reason given for the lack of African-Americans in ice hockey. Yet the same attribute is seen as enhancing their performance on the track.

It is true that athletes of West African descent living in North America, Western Europe and the Caribbean dominate many sports. But contemporary West Africans don't. This is the opposite of what one should expect if athletic ability was predominantly genetic. In America, considerable intermixing between black and white populations has meant that the African American population embodies, on average, some 30 per cent of genes from populations of European descent. Hence African Americans should be poorer athletes than West Africans. The reverse is true.

What all this suggests is that the relationship between sports, culture and genetics is much more complex than either liberal antiracists or 'race realists' like Entine and Murray will allow. Athletic talent is at least in part inherited, and there are undoubted genetic differences between populations. Nor should we dismiss the possibility that West Africans and Kenyans have a genetic advantage when it comes to sprinting or long distance running. It has not been proved beyond reasonable doubt, and there is clearly much more to sport than natural ability, but in principle there is no reason to assume that certain populations have physical characteristics more suited to particular athletic activities. But are blacks naturally better athletes than whites? Not necessarily. We should be highly suspicious of any and all attempts to confuse the genetics of populations and the politics of race.
 

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