Why Calvin Johnson will be selected #1 overall

[crunch99]

110 is AWFUL in college. His best season is 139, where he was 30th in the nation as a junior (interestingly, ahead of Russell), his soph season (110.29) he was 94th in the nation, last season he didn't qualify but his 120.55 would have put him 72nd.

He didn't improve and was barely keeping his job last season before getting hurt. While I don't put as much weight in stats as some people, 94th, 30th and 72nd in the nation in passing efficiency isn't a good trend and neither is not improving. His TD/INT ration is 36/33.

Some guys you watch, just know they stink and the stats bear that out, other guys you watch (like Andrew Walter) and you realize the stats lie and they won't be good in the NFL.

Look, I'm not right one everyone, I thought Eric Zeier and Cade McNown would be good. But the handy rule of stinking in college = stinking in the NFL is a pretty good one.

Still not sure what your criteria is. I mean his best season, he was ranked 28th in the nation in passing efficiency, ahead of bigger names such as Chris Leak, Kevin Kolb, Charlie Whitehurst, JaMarcus Russell, Reggie McNeal, Jay Cutler, and Matt Moore. You keep saying he didn't improve last season, but what do you expect when your team is decimated with injuries? Losing your top receivers isn't going to help you improve.

I mean if you're looking for a QB that threw for 5 TDs & 20 INTs and still starting then you're not gonna find one because they'll most likely be benched. The closest to awful is Matt Cassell who was benched in a 42-0 game because he kept turning the ball over but was drafted by the Patriots.... over Timmy Chang who set all kinds of records but wasn't.

 

[JakeT.]

They have actually signed 3 OL this off season and are changing their blocking scheme to a zone blocking scheme like Denver uses. Whether it works, who knows, but it can't be any worse.

Nice. Good to hear they are finally getting it. Kubiak is going to do some nice things in Houston using that philosophy. I don't know what it is about the zone blocking stuff but I've seen it change underachievers into a very good line pretty darn quickly.

 

[JakeT.]

On a side, I think Trent Edwards can definitely be a steal. He was another guy that had no time to throw for the last two years. Not as quality as Cutler but if you put him behind an established offensive line, you'll be pleased with the results.

 

[dominicdg]

ok lets end this debate. Im a raiders fan and the two guys they draft are either calvin or brady quinn. First Russell has the size but he is just like dante cullpepper big arm no accuracy and benefited from the system and players around him. Quinn was good this season in bascially an nfl system. If Irish had some defense they would had peobably only had one lost. Also Raiders new coach kiffin comes from USC where he has seen how good Quinn is in person. Also if the trent green deal gets done. We would go get dante from miami which would be an older russell with more experience and alot less money. Then we draft calvin johnson and depending what we can get for randy moss they trade him during offseason. If not, randy, calvin, and porter would be a good recieving core for dante or quinn.

 

[dominicdg]

oh by the way the offensive line was bad but they have worked on it alot. Gallery went back to Iowa to practice more. 3 vets signed to OL. We dont have a offensive lineman as a head coach, two offesive cordinators and 3 OL head coaches. To many voices. Also adding the fullback griffith will also help the line and the running game.

 

[Highdaddy]

the Dolphins will not take trent green

 

[theticket_22]

what website has nfl draft props available?

 

[hm2.0]

Because Al Davis is senile enough to do it. Because when Trent Green is traded to Miami, Culpepper becomes available for maybe 3rd or 4th rd pick. He's pretty much a carbon copy of Jamarcus Russell and would rejuvinate Randy Moss' career.

If not, the draft is full of great prospects such as Trent Edwards, Kevin Kolb, Jordan Palmer and others. So they can draft the "best player" in the draft and draft a future QB in the bargain rounds.

Who will be the first pick in the NFL draft? The pick currently belongs to the Oakland Raiders. However if the pick is traded, the wager will be graded as whoever is selected in this position. No Parlays. Max $100

JaMarcus Russell -245
Calvin Johnson +190<-----Taking a shot
Any Other Player +700

Davis is def. senile. The Raiders should make a deal and trade down. It's gonna be a couple of years before they can even hope to contend.

Edwards might be worth a look in the 6th or 7th. Kolb could be a value pick in the middle rounds. Palmer....:WTF:...straight to NFL Europa. :missingte

 

[theticket_22]

Ah Trent Edwars is predicted to go in the 2nd round...so....yeah, also Kolb will likely be drafted 1st day also....but they already tried to draft a 2nd tier qb with Andrew Walter and they're not happy about how that turned out...either they go with a russell/quinn or they go free agency route..... and with that defense, Oakland isnt too many years away from contending for a playoff spot...

 

[gtc08]

From watching Daunte at the Dome several times and JaMarcus on tv, the size and arm strength is the only thing the 2 they have in common. Surprised so many of you jump to the Daunte angle. Huge differences between the two.

 

[prodigy]

Davis is def. senile. The Raiders should make a deal and trade down. It's gonna be a couple of years before they can even hope to contend.

Edwards might be worth a look in the 6th or 7th. Kolb could be a value pick in the middle rounds. Palmer....:WTF:...straight to NFL Europa. :missingte

with a good draft, the raiders could be a playoff contender in two years. whereas cleveland and detroit have problems all over the place, oakland simply has offensive issues. their defense is playoff caliber right now. personally i dont see all the upside in russell. i think hes a dangerous pick at #1 overall. very kwame brown-like, to use an nba analogy. johnson or quinn are the two safest players and either one would help immensely and immediately.

 

[steeser]

The Raiders need to get Joe Thomas if they want to win anytime soon. The defense may be the best in the league considering all the crappy field position they had to work with last year. They did incredible.

The Raiders defense was statistically good because they couldn't score at all, meaning that teams would put up a few scores on them and then basically stop trying to move the ball and start working the clock, because it was clear that the Raiders couldn't score on their own.

 

[sd2]

But the reality is, he's got the NFL prototypical body (6-4, 220) and his stock has been rising due to impressive workouts.

This is EXACTLY the problem. Teams get hard-ons for guys that look great in shorts and jerseys that say QB 57 on them and ignore the on field product.

Boller is the best example I can think of off the top of my head. He stunk for 4 years but oooooh, he can throw a ball through the goal posts from his knees from mid field. Big f*ing deal, he f*ing stinks and there was plenty of video evidence of it from the 40+ games he played in college.

Derrick Gibson, Mike Mamula, Akili Smith, all these friggin workout warriors that can't play football. No one knows how good Matt Cassell is, just like no one knew how good Brad Johnson was. Neither guy played much during college. Hell, Cassell road pine behind two Heisman winners and top 10 picks. For all we know he could have been the second best QB in college his entire career. One thing we do know, Kyle Boller wasn't the 19th best player in the draft and if Trent Edwards is the 3rd best QB, no one should draft a QB after Quinn until the 5th round.

I tend to agree with this poster. Trent Edwards also got a big boost when the "guru," Bill Walsh, hyped him as the best qb to come out in years. (And some years ago Guru Bill said the same about Jake the Snake.)

On the other hand, I think BYU's John Beck is undervalued (not a "sleeper," those don't exist any longer). Forget the "arm-strength" knock - they said the same about Joe Montana.

Some team is gonna get a second round "steal" with Beck - Carolina maybe. (And no, I've never even been on the BYU campus - just drove by on the freeway in travellin' thru Mormonland.)

 

[fhmesq44]

The Raiders defense was statistically good because they couldn't score at all, meaning that teams would put up a few scores on them and then basically stop trying to move the ball and start working the clock, because it was clear that the Raiders couldn't score on their own.

I disagree with this. I am a big raider fan and watched all of their games last year except a couple that were blacked out and only in the first game of the year (SD) did an offense shut it down b/c they knew Oak couldn't score. Their defense was continuously put into horrible spots b/c of the offense and routinely held teams to 3 and FG attempt b/c of the offense. Their D actually is very good, frankly, one of the better in the league. They single handedly beat Pittsburgh (two defensive TDs and shut Pitts down). However, unless the offense can get a first down periodically, the same shit will happen again this year.

 

[fhmesq44]

I tend to agree with this poster. Trent Edwards also got a big boost when the "guru," Bill Walsh, hyped him as the best qb to come out in years. (And some years ago Guru Bill said the same about Jake the Snake.)

On the other hand, I think BYU's John Beck is undervalued (not a "sleeper," those don't exist any longer). Forget the "arm-strength" knock - they said the same about Joe Montana.

Some team is gonna get a second round "steal" with Beck - Carolina maybe. (And no, I've never even been on the BYU campus - just drove by on the freeway in travellin' thru Mormonland.)

He also said he would have traded the #1 or #2 pick the year Manning and Leaf came out and draft Brian Griese in the 3rd round.

 

[crunch99]

I'm really hoping Al will draft CJ, then use him as bait to get Russell AND couple of 2nd & 3rd rd picks. If the Raiders don't draft him, I see him taking a nosedive just like Leinart did.

 

[crunch99]

Doesn't look good afterall since Trent Green is still a Chief. But still holding out hope that Al is senile/smart enough to draft CJ then trade him for Russell + extra picks. Want some action anyways.....

$100 on CJ +550 (Bodog).

 

[bigtendominator]

I tend to agree with this poster. Trent Edwards also got a big boost when the "guru," Bill Walsh, hyped him as the best qb to come out in years. (And some years ago Guru Bill said the same about Jake the Snake.)

On the other hand, I think BYU's John Beck is undervalued (not a "sleeper," those don't exist any longer). Forget the "arm-strength" knock - they said the same about Joe Montana.

Some team is gonna get a second round "steal" with Beck - Carolina maybe. (And no, I've never even been on the BYU campus - just drove by on the freeway in travellin' thru Mormonland.)

Agree with you on John Beck. I personally think he is going to the best qb in this draft. He can make all the throws.

Why is it that a guy like Jake the Fake, who has a wet noodle for an arm and not much size is considered big time coming out, but a other guys like T Smith and Beck are not considered shit!

TRENT EDWARDS HE WILL GET PICKED UP ON TUESDAY WITH THE REST OF MY TRASH.

 

[bigtendominator]

Brady Quinn is so overrated and so is his coach.

Quinn couldn't win with the fat toad and he won't win without him and the fat toad couldn't win without Tom Brady. No drop this year for Pats Offense. Defense blew another SB.

Weis is supposed to be a genius

Tressel, Myer, Stoops all won national title in 2nd year.
Carroll, - 2 losses 2nd year,
Mark Richt 2 losses 2nd year

None of these teams got to have Navy, Stanford, Army, and Air Force on the schedule.

Brady Quinn is fraud. You can't make the arguement that he didn't have a good team and then say they were 2 losses away for playing for a national title. Quinn is a product of playing in South Bend. If he played at Oregon State he is nowhere near the top of this draft.

 

[crunch99]

Latest report is that the Raiders are getting "Serious" offers for the #1 spot. Crossing my fingers and hoping Al realizes that he can draft Calvin Johnson then trade him for Russell + extra draft picks.

Don't get me wrong, Russell IS the best QB in the draft.... eight 4th qt comebacks.... national championship.... this guys always came through in the clutch until Rick Mirer errrrrrrrrrrr Brady Quinn.

Adding:

Who will be the first RB drafted by the Buffalo Bills in the 2007 NFL draft? All wagers have action. No Parlays. Max $100

Michael Bush
+600

Kenny Irons
+500

Brian Leonard
+650

Marshawn Lynch
+300

<b>Adrian Peterson
+425</b> <----------

Antonio Pittman
+350

Any Other RB
+500

No RB drafted
+325



The Dallas Cowboys first round pick will be? All wagers have action. No Parlays. Max $100

Cornerback +300

Wide Receiver EVEN

<b>Any Other Position -115</b> <-------


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