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No argument from me on those divisional winners. The only thing I would change is Milwaukee for the Cubs and put the Phillies in the wild card. I do think that the Phils/Cubs/Brewers battle for the playoff spot.

I like the Royals, Rays and Marlins to win 80 each. I am a homer for all of them, though.
 

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Oakland's lineup is light years ahead of Seattle, and the back end of their rotation is not atrocious.

Yah Travis Buck, Mark Ellis, Barton and Cust send chills down pitchers spines. get real. Oakland is the team I probably follow the most in all of the MLB and I strongly disagree. I think its not out of the question for them to have a better season than last year and probably a better offense than last year but better than Seattle seems silly right now. And if by solid rotation you mean ace status Harden who lasts about a month and Blanton who is very solid but nothing close to a shutdown pitcher. The back end of the rotation is so unproven. Eveland has been fantastic but what has he done to make anyone think he keeps it up. How does Duscherer perform as a starter? How does Gaudin bounce back off the injury and will we see the Gaudin of pre-all star break or post? However, Gio Gonzalez definitely looks like a player to get excited about. Too many questions with this young team to make any solid conclusions this early
 

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Yah Travis Buck, Mark Ellis, Barton and Cust send chills down pitchers spines. get real. Oakland is the team I probably follow the most in all of the MLB and I strongly disagree. I think its not out of the question for them to have a better season than last year and probably a better offense than last year but better than Seattle seems silly right now. And if by solid rotation you mean ace status Harden who lasts about a month and Blanton who is very solid but nothing close to a shutdown pitcher. The back end of the rotation is so unproven. Eveland has been fantastic but what has he done to make anyone think he keeps it up. How does Duscherer perform as a starter? How does Gaudin bounce back off the injury and will we see the Gaudin of pre-all star break or post? However, Gio Gonzalez definitely looks like a player to get excited about. Too many questions with this young team to make any solid conclusions this early

I'll address the hitting first by saying WHAT???? It is very very widely accepted that the Mariners have THE worst position players in the AL. BP projected them to score the fewest runs in the AL by a huge margin. They are the only AL team that should fail to score 700 runs. Their defense is also league worst or 2nd to worst.

As for the pitching, see my posts below on Wash, Batista, and Silva. Oakland can pull up minor leaguer after average minor leaguer and equal or best their stats. Bedard has had one good year, and both he and Felix have extensive injury histories. Bedard's rivals Harden's.

There is NO WAY the Mariners finish with a winning record. None. Zero. Nada. Do not let ESPN brainwash you. Seattle is garbage.
 
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I look for Hunter to continue to do what he has done for the past 4 years. He has been remarkably consistent at being an above average center fielder and an above average hitter, but by no means a superstar. Looking at those OPS numbers and seeing the money they blew on him is sickening. I also look for him to cost the team a ton of outs because Anaheim loves to run and Hunter is a shitty base stealer. 30 of 45? That is counter-productive, and is not debatable. Anything less than 73ish percent is not worth it.​

You have to look at the team he was on vs the team he is on. Much more protection around him now. He felt he had to do everything before and probably took more chances than he should. I think he sees the big picture and will compliment Vlad and company very well. He has singlehandedly won a couple of games already this year.
 

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You have to look at the team he was on vs the team he is on. Much more protection around him now. He felt he had to do everything before and probably took more chances than he should. I think he sees the big picture and will compliment Vlad and company very well. He has singlehandedly won a couple of games already this year.

TN, while Vlad would be the best hitter in either lineup, I do not see an appreciable difference betwen the hitter directly in front of and behind him.

Give me a sandwich of Mauer-Morneau over a sandwich of Guerrero-Anderson ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. Anderson is garbage and really drags down the protection argument.

He is also moving from a good hitters park to a pitchers park, and will now be playing 19 games a piece against Oakland and Seattle, both of whom have extreme pitchers parks. I just don't see it. Add in his recent non-contract year injury history, his age, reckless style, and I don't see it happening. I could be wrong and have been before.
 

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I'll address the hitting first by saying WHAT???? It is very very widely accepted that the Mariners have THE worst position players in the AL. BP projected them to score the fewest runs in the AL by a huge margin. They are the only AL team that should fail to score 700 runs. Their defense is also league worst or 2nd to worst.

As for the pitching, see my posts below on Wash, Batista, and Silva. Oakland can pull up minor leaguer after average minor leaguer and equal or best their stats. Bedard has had one good year, and both he and Felix have extensive injury histories. Bedard's rivals Harden's.

There is NO WAY the Mariners finish with a winning record. None. Zero. Nada. Do not let ESPN brainwash you. Seattle is garbage.

Bedard has not gone below 24 starts in the last 4 years. Harden has gone over 24 starts once in all his 6 years and has 34 starts in the last 4 years. super super comparable
 

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Secondly Bedard has improved in ERA WHIP and K's every single year. So its not like he just had some Gary Matthews year and came out of nowhere.

I really cant see Seattle having the worst offense in the AL. no way
 

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Secondly Bedard has improved in ERA WHIP and K's every single year. So its not like he just had some Gary Matthews year and came out of nowhere.

I really cant see Seattle having the worst offense in the AL. no way

Nobody else, barring a major injury to a star, will come close to having as bad a set of position players as Seattle.

Bedard and Harden have each only started 30 games once in their career.
 

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Nobody else, barring a major injury to a star, will come close to having as bad a set of position players as Seattle.

Bedard and Harden have each only started 30 games once in their career.

Dont try to spin shit. There is no way Bedards injury history even close to Hardens.
 

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Dont try to spin shit. There is no way Bedards injury history even close to Hardens.


You are nitpicking over a very small part of my very correct and widely accepted by intelligent baseball people argument. Mariners blow. I actually like the Mariners, but they do suck badly.
 

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You are nitpicking over a very small part of my very correct and widely accepted by intelligent baseball people argument. Mariners blow. I actually like the Mariners, but they do suck badly.
I never said Seattle is awesome. I disagree that they are the worst offense in the AL and everything youve said about Bedard is pretty much false. I originally just disagreed with your assessment of Oakland.
 

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I never said Seattle is awesome. I disagree that they are the worst offense in the AL and everything youve said about Bedard is pretty much false. I originally just disagreed with your assessment of Oakland.

Bedard has made 30 starts in his career only one time. To me, an ace will start more than 30 games.

You also haven't even suggested an offense that is worse than Seattle's. I KNOW you won't try to find a defense worse, because, well, that is not happening.
 

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budworth, i didnt realize you were a stat geek like this. i should mention that i dont mean anything bad by that. just didnt know that you took that approach. are you this stat-centric in other sports? you didnt give the impression that you took that approach in college sports. youve got good opinions. like where you are coming from. just didnt realize you were so rooted in stats.
 

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Bedard has made 30 starts in his career only one time. To me, an ace will start more than 30 games.

You also haven't even suggested an offense that is worse than Seattle's. I KNOW you won't try to find a defense worse, because, well, that is not happening.
Your 30 start criteria is awesome but all I was saying was its not comparable to Harden if your going to deny that, then well i dont what to say.

KC, Orioles, Rangers. And stop coming at me like Ive been defending Seattle.
 

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budworth, i didnt realize you were a stat geek like this. i should mention that i dont mean anything bad by that. just didnt know that you took that approach. are you this stat-centric in other sports? you didnt give the impression that you took that approach in college sports. youve got good opinions. like where you are coming from. just didnt realize you were so rooted in stats.

I understand basketball and football strategy very well, but baseball is an individual sequence sport that absolutely lends itself to statistical analysis. Even in Football, I like to use per play statistics, and in basketball I use tempo-free statistics from basketballprospectus.com, which is a gold mine.
I think a combination of both is needed. I really don't like things in baseball like "grit", "hustle", etc. Those superlatives (especially "Veteran") are not needed. If they truly impact the game, the results will not be unseen, but rather they will show up in their measured performance. I used to run a service similar to yours, but now I can't do it with my job.
 

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Your 30 start criteria is awesome but all I was saying was its not comparable to Harden if your going to deny that, then well i dont what to say.

KC, Orioles, Rangers. And stop coming at me like Ive been defending Seattle.

I will acquiesce my Harden Comparison. I will maintain that both him and Bedard have had multiple troubles with their hips, which is unusual.

KC and Baltimore should outscore Seattle by 50 runs each. Texas will best them by almost 100. I am surprised you chose those two. I expected you to come with Minnesota. Seattle could score within 5 or 10 runs of Minny.
 

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I understand basketball and football strategy very well, but baseball is an individual sequence sport that absolutely lends itself to statistical analysis. Even in Football, I like to use per play statistics, and in basketball I use tempo-free statistics from basketballprospectus.com, which is a gold mine.
I think a combination of both is needed. I really don't like things in baseball like "grit", "hustle", etc. Those superlatives (especially "Veteran") are not needed. If they truly impact the game, the results will not be unseen, but rather they will show up in their measured performance. I used to run a service similar to yours, but now I can't do it with my job.

good post all around. very much agree with everything youve said here. baseball does indeed lend itself more to statistical analysis more than other sports, primarily because you can draw from same-season samples.

that said, how do you approach handicapping a team like kansas city as far as their top-end pitching goes. meche/greinke/bannister are totally under the radar but can match up against most anyone in baseball. meche, though, never really tapped his potential in seattle. greinke had off the field stuff going on but hes developing into a solid pitcher, and bannister is steady as well. there is really nothing to 'draw' from with this trio, yet they are often undervalued because of the team they play on. how do you handicap these guys?
 

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good post all around. very much agree with everything youve said here. baseball does indeed lend itself more to statistical analysis more than other sports, primarily because you can draw from same-season samples.

that said, how do you approach handicapping a team like kansas city as far as their top-end pitching goes. meche/greinke/bannister are totally under the radar but can match up against most anyone in baseball. meche, though, never really tapped his potential in seattle. greinke had off the field stuff going on but hes developing into a solid pitcher, and bannister is steady as well. there is really nothing to 'draw' from with this trio, yet they are often undervalued because of the team they play on. how do you handicap these guys?

First, KC guys, and for the most part, small market mid-western teams will be undervalued on a consistent basis.

Second, KC plays the same game of baseball anyone else does.

Grienke is very tough, but I have to assume that when he is pitching, whatever mental health issues he had are gone. In life, and in baseball, if you treat mental illness with the same care, compassion, and attention you give to regular illness, your understanding will be greater. That's a terrible sentence grammatically, but I don't feel like fixing it. We have always known that Grienke has talent, and if he is pitching well, and his component numbers back it up, you have to ride him. The key for grienke is to reduce his line drive percentage. His line drive %'s have been atrocious. That, to me, is a combination of immaturity, over reliance on one out pitch, and probably bad managment by his catcher. He had an excellent comeback year and looks to improve on it. The key, with all pitchers, is to determine if their public numbers (era, and wins), are supported by their true performance numbers (DIPS, k/bb, k/9, bb/9, ld%, gb%, hr/fb%, hr/9). The two best opportunities for gamblers are to fade pitchers who have unsupported, unsustainable numbers, and to back pitchers who's performance clearly out paces their public stats.

I don't see a lot of value in Gil Meche. He's somewhere between above average and good. Innings eaters' ability to eat innings and stay healthy offers no value to the gambler. I don't value long-term certainty for the team when I evaluate a single game wager, and neither should anyone else. He could improve on his numbers, but his improvement from Seattle to KC wasn't as huge as some media members would lead you to believe.

Bannister is 27 years old, not exactly a kid. He is pitching great so far, but pitchers don't have an ability to limit what % of their fly-balls leave the yard, and part of Bannister's banner early-year stems from him allowing 0% of his flyballs to leave the park.

In summary, if they are undervalued because of the team they play on, then the team is probably undervalued as a whole and there is money to be made on an undervalued team, assuming they are undervalued by books and joe gambler.

ADD: betting on no-name pitchers against named pitchers who really aren't good (like in my opinion a washburn or silva), is VERY profitable, since the unknown guy won't do much worse, if at all, than the known garbage.
 

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