Wagerweb: I feel like John McEnroe -- YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!!

[Java]

"Dave"-
There is a difference between being biased and criticizing an obviously bonehead policy. I even tried to lighten the mood with a humorous example.

The hold % is extremely low and the time and effort is takes to set them up and mantain is difficult.
As Rebel Yell pointed out with his link, "Marco" from Wagerweb came to the forum promoting props with 30-cents juice. This is hardly considered low. Here's a clue: This is a higher amount of juice than the Straight and Parlay wagers. In the sports betting business this is considered better for the book. If you are actually experiencing a low % hold, then your prop department is obviously doing something wrong or maybe has too many props. Sometimes less is more. You shouldn't brag that you are among the TOP 5, while complaining about the level of effort required.

In the business world, something advertised but not really as available as you promoted is called a Lost Leader. Astute customers tend to frown on this type of practice.

As for your "response" stats: 100% of the posters in this thread (not including yourself) find this policy to be idiotic at best. Since, you (or "Marco") came to the forums advertising props, I think you should more carefully consider the opinions of the members of this forum.

If you really want to keep the book profitable, you might consider hiring new top management if you really plan to dismiss the valid criticisms offered by forum members. (half humor, half real advice)

BTW, when you came to the new RX forum, you changed your handle from "Wagerweb" to "Wagerweb.com". This makes it more difficult for members to find your posting history.

So, "Dave", biased as you may consider me, the advice and critique is still solid.

D2Bets-
I like your compromise offer.

 

[Noreaga+]

hahahaha wagerweb is a joke.

Panam pulled similar **************** with me.. cut my limits and locked my account and asked me to call in, told me they want me to bet something other than halftime lines, then a month later they go into scam mode.


Sounds like Wagerweb has been getting hard

 

[TommyMullins]

This Is One Funny Thread. Why Would Ww Waste Their Time With That Dumbass Email?

 

[michael777]

bad move dave

 

[majbrit]

the time and effort is takes to set them up and mantain is difficult. Our selection is may not be the largest but it is defintely TOP 5.

So we don't want you to bet them.....:think:

Now that makes sense.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

I advise players to leave this book as who knows what other stupid rule they'll come up with next. I suppose the next step is you can't play any dogs.

There are better places to spend your money.

WagerWeb you are a JOKE!

 

[picasso]

Wow, can't believe Dave could post what he did with a straight face.

Standard disclaimer of course: it's a book's prerogative to run their book as they please...

That said, I find Dave's justifications downright ridiculous. Regarding the retail store analogy, as someone already pointed out, retail outlets do not dictate what a customer must buy. If someone chooses to only buy items on sale, they do so -- no questions asked. Quoting one of Dave's lines: "The idea behind it is to encourage cross sales in order to make a profit off the consumer." The key word is 'encourage'. There's a big difference between 'encourage' and 'force'. This analogy is just plain silly.

Regarding Dave's mention of a low hold on props and the time/effort/maintenance required, wouldn't this be all the more reason to seek high volume? How does discouraging prop betting aid the book here? As a sidenote, why is the hold so low on a 30 to 40 cent line? This seems to suggest weak lines. Perhaps the emphasis should be on sharpening the lines rather than dictating what a customer is allowed to bet.

And finally, again quoting Dave: "Some players will lose and others will win. Both groups are always welcome to play at Wagerweb. I just expect the ones that win to give us the same respect that we give them and work to follow the rules." What exactly is this respect that you're showing players? If anything, I think this policy disrespects players. It's almost as if the book is saying "you need us more than we need you...therefore, we call the shots...". Ridiculous...

 

[DavidMatthews]

I would like to add that WagerWeb has been very good on payments. I received withdrawl requests very quickly and I was happy with them. I did like all the props available.

I think WagerWeb has every right in the world to make a policy like they did.

I also think players have every right in the world to criticize them for making the policy.

 

[doctorsarvis]

:neenee:

What a curious move by Wagerweb! If I remember right, they would come into the forum and hype their props, directly encouraging people who like to play those to sign up with them. People then essentially accept the invitation to do so and then Wagerweb says you can't play our props!! Someone else mentioned a "loss leader", but actually this looks more like a bait and switch deal. Advertise something attractive and then saddle people that are looking for what was advertised with something less attractive.

If these are not good bets for the book, then why offer them at all? If that's the case, how does the greek offer so many and with higher limits? And isn't it hard to not be profitable with a $.40 cent line??? Also, wouldn't it have made more sense to lower a tough player's limits than to force them to bet other types of bets they may not be interested in?

Very peculiar, and no doubt could have been handled better, but it is their book and I agree they can do whatever they want. Kind of like Coke was free to switch to "new coke" even though nobody wanted to drink it.

 

[RebelYell]

Can anyone check to see if WW is offering props on tonight's Boise-BYU game? Thanks,

 

[bzbwoy]

rebel you have to ask for permission to wager on the props first. what a crock of feaces.

 

[michael777]

dave,take your skirt off and take a damn bet

 

[picasso]

Ironically, I got spammed by WagerWeb today. No idea how they got my email id as I've never registered with them. I guess other books and/or Neteller may have been provided it. Certainly hope the Rx doesn't provide its sponsors with subscribers' email id's (not an accusation).

 

[royalfan]

He isn't a very friendly fella either if you ever get a chance to talk to him. Seems with all the outs these days there is no reason to send money to a house with restrictions and that is rude.

 

[MaxValue]

Today I opened an account with wagerweb and 20% bonus was added to my account.

I plan to be long term customer or until my post -up money runs out:>emb< so the 10x rollover is not an big issue with me.
I don't play any props or parlays so I don't have any complaints about there policy but I can side with the players as no one likes to have rules made up as you go and after you have made a deposit.

I will keep the forum posted good or bad on my experiences with wagerweb.

Max Value

 

[Alejocruz+]

is it me ot the # of props is going down for wager web and they are opening their lines later?
Scared????

 

[winkyduck]

if this is true (rhetorical ???) then WW should be disgraced to admit it. what a joke this book is if they try and pull this crap.

if i choose to play only certain aspects - and am good at it - then why should i be penalized for it.

good thing i don't have an account at this minor league book for if i did - i would take WW up on their "offer" and take my money out and tell them to go to hell. although i sense they are already there!

 

[aceduecetrey]

I agree with the majority, this is a joke! I have never used WW and after reading this thread I can say I will never consider them. I would guess that the only reason they would institute this rule is that they are very unstable at the current moment.

 

[X-Files]

I would guess that the only reason they would institute this rule is that they are very unstable at the current moment.

I guess a reason they would institute the rule, like others have,
is that they are losing money in props. Even Howard Hughes
could be interested in making more money or cutting his loses
in a certain area, but that doesn't mean he would be unstable
or in danger of imminent bankrupcy.

 

[TheGeneral+]

Every book has a right to make any rule they like and each player has every right to dislike and not play there.