MrCleo said:
this is what i love about internet forums...you spend a good amount of time explaining an opinion...and someone counters w/ 'no' (and no counter evidence)...always gives me a good laugh.
Quantum...kickoffs were last on my list of reasons why the Pats did not re-sign him...like < 1% of the basis for the decision...obviously clutch kicks outweigh kickoffs. Throwing around an 'extra' million dollars - is something the Pats don't do...i can't yell this enough, its their business philosophy & won't bend for anything. Its very successful. And this recent releasing of Vander...just solidifies why you don't spend over $3.5 mill to a kicker past his prime.
TTinCO said:
hno: I just can't see this being a good move...Vandy was struggling a little though, but Gramatica was real bad his last two seasons from what I remember.This is not a good move, how can you take a guy who was out of football over a guy who has been as consistent as anyone not named Matt Stover or Adam Ventierri?
Journeyman said:
This is not a good move, how can you take a guy who was out of football over a guy who has been as consistent as anyone not named Matt Stover or Adam Ventierri?
Yup. Crazy move.
Vandy the greatest kicker of all time...
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9832424
Well he is a little flaky and that probably doesn't fit in with Parcells, I could see it being a sticky relationship knowing how Parcells is, but I would have kept him. Dallas knew what they were getting....You just don't see top 5 kickers waived in week 12 for a scrub who hasn't kicked well in 4 years...Dallas is taking a big chance here.
He was 4th forth from the bottom of the league though...still seemed like an odd move right now.
He was 4th forth from the bottom of the league though...still seemed like an odd move right now.
Journeyman said:
This is not a good move, how can you take a guy who was out of football over a guy who has been as consistent as anyone not named Matt Stover or Adam Ventierri?
I saw a stat on TV that was saying Vanderjagt's numbers this year weren't as good as the last 2 years. Looking at this year's numbers he's not doing too bad. Below are the stats for the 1st 10 games from nfl.com. The 11th game he missed 2 FG's and the 12th game he was 1 for 1. Not a bad season IMO. Maybe the 2 he missed in week 11 were from 40-49 which would put him at 1 for 6 and that was a reason they decided to cut him.
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg1 align=middle><TD>Year</TD><TD>Team</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>1-19</TD><TD>20-29</TD><TD>30-39</TD><TD>40-49</TD><TD>50+</TD><TD>Tot</TD><TD>Lg</TD><TD>Blk</TD><TD>Pct</TD><TD>XP</TD><TD>XPG</TD><TD>Pct</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>1998</TD><TD align=left>Indianapolis Colts</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>8-8</TD><TD>4-4</TD><TD>8-9</TD><TD>6-9</TD><TD>27-31</TD><TD>53</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>87.1</TD><TD>23-23</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>100.0</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>1999</TD><TD align=left>Indianapolis Colts</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>2-2</TD><TD>10-10</TD><TD>11-13</TD><TD>10-11</TD><TD>1-2</TD><TD>34-38</TD><TD>53</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>89.5</TD><TD>43-43</TD><TD>43</TD><TD>100.0</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>2000</TD><TD align=left>Indianapolis Colts</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>6-6</TD><TD>13-13</TD><TD>5-6</TD><TD>0-1</TD><TD>25-27</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>92.6</TD><TD>46-46</TD><TD>46</TD><TD>100.0</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>2001</TD><TD align=left>Indianapolis Colts</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>7-8</TD><TD>6-6</TD><TD>12-16</TD><TD>3-4</TD><TD>28-34</TD><TD>52</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>82.4</TD><TD>41-42</TD><TD>41</TD><TD>97.6</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>2002</TD><TD align=left>Indianapolis Colts</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>7-8</TD><TD>6-7</TD><TD>6-12</TD><TD>3-3</TD><TD>23-31</TD><TD>54</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>74.2</TD><TD>34-34</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>100.0</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>2003</TD><TD align=left>Indianapolis Colts</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>17-17</TD><TD>7-7</TD><TD>12-12</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>37-37</TD><TD>50</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>100.0</TD><TD>46-46</TD><TD>46</TD><TD>100.0</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>2004</TD><TD align=left>Indianapolis Colts</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>6-6</TD><TD>9-11</TD><TD>5-7</TD><TD>0-1</TD><TD>20-25</TD><TD>47</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>80.0</TD><TD>59-60</TD><TD>59</TD><TD>98.3</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>2005</TD><TD align=left>Indianapolis Colts</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>9-9</TD><TD>6-7</TD><TD>7-8</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>23-25</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>92.0</TD><TD>52-52</TD><TD>52</TD><TD>100.0</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>2006</TD><TD align=left>Dallas Cowboys</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>6-7</TD><TD>5-6</TD><TD>1-4</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>13-18</TD><TD>50</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>72.2</TD><TD>33-33</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>100.0</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 id=total_CAREER_k_kicking_points vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD class=bg4 align=left>TOTAL</TD><TD class=bg4 align=left> </TD><TD class=bg4>135</TD><TD class=bg4>6-6</TD><TD class=bg4>76-79</TD><TD class=bg4>67-74</TD><TD class=bg4>66-85</TD><TD class=bg4>15-22</TD><TD class=bg4>230-266</TD><TD class=bg4>54</TD><TD class=bg4>9</TD><TD class=bg4>86.5</TD><TD class=bg4>377-379</TD><TD class=bg4>377</TD><TD class=bg4>99.5</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
quantumleap said:
Well he is 4th from the bottom in % which is a little surprising, but the guy is a proven commodity...people will remember his troubles over his record streak...he's a bit of a headcase, Parcells was probably growing weary of his quirkyness....plus I read he didn't want to kick off .
It's not like Granatica was kicking 50 yarders with no time on the clock anytime in the past 3 years either though....this move could cost Dallas the whole ball of wax.
I feel like this move can only hurt Dallas not really help them.
I didn't like the move at first as a Cowboy fan but the more I think about it I'm okay with it. Seriously, if the Cowboys are in a tight game in January do they want or trust Vanderbitch to make a big kick at this point in his career? I sure as hell woudn't, the guy is a mental nutcase, especially after that chokejob he pulled in last year's playoffs. Good riddance Mikey...:bigfinger
When will teams learn that you should sign kickers based on their kickoffs? FG% is a largely random stat and varies from year to year on an almost universal basis. There is no such thing as a good FG kicker.
A good kicker is one who kicks kickoffs out of the endzone every time. His FG% will fluctuate just like every other kicker out there.
A good kicker is one who kicks kickoffs out of the endzone every time. His FG% will fluctuate just like every other kicker out there.
