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knowing what the public is on should have no affect on your bet......unless there's a fix, which would only happen with sports that have spreads.
 

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Look at BB's baseball plus units and that's all you really need to know. I have never known a bookie who lost money long-term and I have known several. It doesn't matter if they're in Oregon or Alaska they all win. And that's the bottom line.

once again, before you type .... please take a step back. take a deep breath. and read what was previously posted. what a local needs from his sample of guys is quite different from what an actual public side is. before you start typing, again... relax and think about that. there are times when local books will get heavy action ON their local teams. there are also times when local books will get heavy unbalanced action AGAINST their local teams. and sometimes, two books in the same city will write entirely different stuff on the same game ... and their shops are 20 minutes apart. thats where sample sizes start to play a role. consequently, 95% of the games dont even have a public side. again, before you start typing, read that. that doesnt mean certain books wont need a certain side. but when reasonable samples get involved, its pretty uncommon for the public to be truly heavy on more than a few games per week. those opportunities stick out like a sore thumb. and the books can see them coming a mile away.
 

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Sorry but I disagree. In baseball, you MIGHT get away with that for awhile but in the other sports you will get buried siding with the public.

knowing what the public is on should have no affect on your bet......unless there's a fix, which would only happen with sports that have spreads.
 

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No, nothing to do with being fixed but that the public perception is far from reality. People just aren't very smart. That's why they lose. They believe what ESPN and everyone tells them.
 

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Look at BB's baseball plus units and that's all you really need to know. I have never known a bookie who lost money long-term and I have known several. It doesn't matter if they're in Oregon or Alaska they all win. And that's the bottom line.

big bookie is 40 games under .500 and making money.
apparently, his guys know how to pick winners (whoops, there goes that argument for ya)
unfortunately, being able to pick winners is only a small part of the battle.
you are almost arguing against your own point with this one.
you just dont realize it.
books win because they have players who can go 5-2 ... and still pay them money at the end of the week.
 

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He wins because his customers play big favorites and end up losing money (ooops there goes your fucking argument). They are the best at baseball and they are still losing. Football and basketball they get murdered, year in and year out. Oops, you're a fucking idiot.

big bookie is 40 games under .500 and making money.
apparently, his guys know how to pick winners (whoops, there goes that argument for ya)
unfortunately, being able to pick winners is only a small part of the battle.
you are almost arguing against your own point with this one.
you just dont realize it.
books win because they have players who can go 5-2 ... and still pay them money at the end of the week.
 

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He wins because his customers play big favorites and end up losing money (ooops there goes your fucking argument). They are the best at baseball and they are still losing. Football and basketball they get murdered, year in and year out. Oops, you're a fucking idiot.

do you even have any idea what my 'argument' is?
really, do you? all kidding aside, im not sure that you do.
because youre really not reading anything written.
big favorites are the way to go? thats my argument? really? thats what youve gathered? wow. i thought i was going back and forth with someone who knew the game.
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I said that BB wins because his players play big favorites. When you're always laying 150 plus juice you will win more but you're return is lower. You have to win at a much higher percentage to turn a profit betting big favorites. That's why BB is ahead this year even though his won/loss record is actually losing. He has said that baseball is the hardest sport for him to profit but said he averages around 200 units. If baseball is his worst and he still profits around 200 units a season then gee I wonder how he does in football and basketball. You are one slow thinker. I never said that you said big favorites are the way to go, I said that BB is winning because HIS customers play big favorites. Geez, I feel like I'm talking to a retard. Hell, maybe I am.
 

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I said that BB wins because his players play big favorites. When you're always laying 150 plus juice you will win more but you're return is lower. You have to win at a much higher percentage to turn a profit betting big favorites. That's why BB is ahead this year even though his won/loss record is actually losing. He has said that baseball is the hardest sport for him to profit but said he averages around 200 units. If baseball is his worst and he still profits around 200 units a season then gee I wonder how he does in football and basketball. You are one slow thinker. I never said that you said big favorites are the way to go, I said that BB is winning because HIS customers play big favorites. Geez, I feel like I'm talking to a retard. Hell, maybe I am.

this is all well and good (and, incidentally, the first 7 lines are true)

... but im still not sure youre grasping what my 'argument' is.
you are somehow off on the tangent about how books win money at the end of the year ... but that doesnt explain the whole public sides thing. btw - books love your preseason action. because they know that for every 1 person that has a clue, they are booking games for 10 people who dont.

... unfortunately, most preseason bettors are quick to convince themselves that 'im the sharp one ... the rest are the idiots'. when in reality, they are often just betting 50/50 coinflips at -110 and sometimes -120 odds.
 

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I have bet five pre-season sides and my record is 3-1-1. I didn't have to convince myself which side to bet, I knew which side to bet when I knew who everyone was betting heavy. The biggest one was the bet on San Diego (led by 21 in the first half). I liked it before I saw everyone on Dallas and that just made it that much easier to bet. In fact, I got San Diego at +105 -3 over Dallas. There wasnt any coin flip about that game unless the spread had been about two touchdowns larger.
 

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Considering I am 3-1-1 on my pre-season sides I don't think the books are loving my action but since I am not on the side of the public I am sure they are OK with me winning and most losing.

this is all well and good (and, incidentally, the first 7 lines are true)

... but im still not sure youre grasping what my 'argument' is.
you are somehow off on the tangent about how books win money at the end of the year ... but that doesnt explain the whole public sides thing. btw - books love your preseason action. because they know that for every 1 person that has a clue, they are booking games for 10 people who dont.

... unfortunately, most preseason bettors are quick to convince themselves that 'im the sharp one ... the rest are the idiots'. when in reality, they are often just betting 50/50 coinflips at -110 and sometimes -120 odds.
 

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Considering I am 3-1-1 on my pre-season sides I don't think the books are loving my action but since I am not on the side of the public I am sure they are OK with me winning and most losing.

rest assured, the books are LOVING your action. in fact, im pretty sure BB would take you as a client without thinking twice (if you were local with a solid rep, etc)

anyone willing to bet preseason games blindly at -110 odds is a client a book would love to have. in fact, he would be more than happy if you went 10-0 and paid you out a few times just to keep you aboard long term.

isolated, meaningless samples vs. larger, relevant samples.
 

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So I'm betting them blindly? LMFAO. You're a fucking idiot dude. I doubt BB would gladly take my action since I am usually on the side he needs. Because I am winning I am betting them blindly? I knew Dallas was going to yank their starters after one series and that their second team is not as good as San Diego's. I also knew that Atlanta was going to be trying much harder with a new coach to win than Jacksonville. Just because I am winning games at pre-season hardly means I am betting games blindly. Go fuck yourself and get the fuck out of my thread. I know bookies where I live and I see BBs plays and other plays I look for public plays and they are all the same. They almost always end up on the same plays.

I didn't ask you to come in here. I never see you do shit except get into other people's business and act like a fucking know it all. You must be the biggest fucking loser on the board. I will keep winning and you can keep doing whatever the fuck it is you do. You fucking idiot.
 

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Keep flipping your fucking coin everyday to figure out who you're going to bet. Hey, at least it hits 50% long-term, which is more than you would ever be able to pick. Do us all a favor and get the fuck off the board.
 

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wally:

any particular reason you think i flip coins? any particular reason you think im clueless? please respond without swearing. you arent any tougher or more intelligent when you drop f-bombs like a teenager. based on what youve read, what makes you think im clueless? im open to hearing what you have. unlike yourself, i can discuss things like a grown man without getting offended ... even if the other person comes at it differently.
 

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By the way, Underdogs are 11-3 so far in pre-season. How do you think the public is doing with those favorites almost all not covering?

As for me saying you flip coins, why would you say that I bet games blindly? Just do me a favor and get the hell out of my threads and I will stay out of yours.
 
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lmfao. here we go again.

i have to say. i dont know how he did it, but it looks like bigbookie singlehandedly alters/affects the capping/games bet on by a large percentage on this board. seems like so many ppl on here are living with the mantra, 'if big bookie posts it, it must be needed by bookies worldwide and surely it will win'. bigbookie -- gotta give you props man, i've watched over time people just looking silly, and abandoning they're capping strictly off what your handle is posting. dude is like a hypnotist in this bitch and God knows if he's even a real local
 

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Nope, not at all. I didn't get the info on some of the pre-season plays from Big Bookie. And, that wasn't my sole reason for betting them. If I like a play and then see that people are pounding those plays then it makes them easier for me to bet. I don't bet many of BB's plays but I have bet some of them over the summer. Same way with him as with the others, if there is a play I like and I see BB needs it then again, it makes it easier to bet for me. It's pretty simple actually. Too bad so many simpletons can't understand it. But people all over tend to bet the same games thanks to ESPN, ESPN Radio and the rest of the talking heads that don't have a clue. Public perception or misconception is nationwide - not restricted to any part of the country. As for him being a real local, I don't think he is lying about it and the plays he needs are generally the biggest public plays everywhere. He has won so if you followed him all year you would have won.

lmfao. here we go again.

i have to say. i dont know how he did it, but it looks like bigbookie singlehandedly alters/affects the capping/games bet on by a large percentage on this board. seems like so many ppl on here are living with the mantra, 'if big bookie posts it, it must be needed by bookies worldwide'. bigbookie -- gotta give you props man, i've watched over time people just looking silly, and abandoning they're capping strictly off what your handle is posting. dude is like a hypnotist in this bitch
 
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