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If I'm playing and winning the table is hot, if I'm not winning the table is cold. I still have yet to have you "prove me wrong." I can't walk up to a table and know it's hot, never said that and you keep implying I did. Call it whatever you want to call it but when the table is going well I'm winning.

For the dense people like me what would you call a table that a player has rolled for an hour if you don't call it hot? Feel like you are arguing for no reason. But enjoy

No, you're simply being obtuse. I can't help it if you want to ignore what I quoted directly from you. Have a good one. You're wasting my time now.
 

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I don't play craps that often but I press my wagers on a "hot" table. Meaning someone that is hitting the point or numbers more often than not.

I can't clarify my point any clearer. I said SOMEONE that is hitting the point or numbers more often than not is what I would call a table hot. Never said everyone or that the table is magically hot please read it again. I then gave my strategy when that happens on what I do.

If you can't read simple English then I can't help you and carry on with your conversation thinking you won. Good job
 
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I can't clarify my point any clearer. I said SOMEONE that is hitting the point or numbers more often than not is what I would call a table hot. Never said everyone or that the table is magically hot please read it again. I then gave my strategy when that happens on what I do.

If you can't read simple English then I can't help you and carry on with your conversation thinking you won. Good job

If you flip a coin and get heads 8 times in a row, what is the probability you get heads on the next one?

It's the exact same scenario...
 

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If you flip a coin and get heads 8 times in a row, what is the probability you get heads on the next one?

It's the exact same scenario...

It's like talking to a wall, Zit. It not that he doesn't get it, he just can't admit it.
 

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If you flip a coin and get heads 8 times in a row, what is the probability you get heads on the next one?

It's the exact same scenario...

Someone could flip heads 100 times in a row, the odds of the next flip? 50/50 I'm not arguing that point....I must be missing the point here somewhere. When I play craps I hope in a single roll someone gets hot and hits a lot of points as I press my wagers and I win big. If that happens I win money, if they don't I lose and I go home. Craps you will lose long term, hell I'm sure I have.

I do not have a system that will beat the casion, I do not time the table, I do not float dice. I play craps as it's fun and if I lose, it was entertainment.
 

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Since craps is a losing proposition long term, im not looking to grind out profits. If im up on a shooter who has been rolling for an extended time, i am going to get aggresive with my bets, as they have already been paid for. Yes a 7 is still the most likely # to be rolled. I am only doing this when im up on said shooter and will gladly take my chances being aggresive and hoping i catch a 45 min roll and make thousands compared to the person who sits there with a $6 6 and 8 hoping to grind out $50-60
 

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Since craps is a losing proposition long term, im not looking to grind out profits. If im up on a shooter who has been rolling for an extended time, i am going to get aggresive with my bets, as they have already been paid for. Yes a 7 is still the most likely # to be rolled. I am only doing this when im up on said shooter and will gladly take my chances being aggresive and hoping i catch a 45 min roll and make thousands compared to the person who sits there with a $6 6 and 8 hoping to grind out $50-60

And here we go again with the it's "casino money" nonsense.
 

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In roulette, I will always double my bet after a number hits. I don't think its +EV but if I have just hit and am up some money since I just got paid off 35-1 on a $5 bet, I can afford to up one of my bets to $10 or $15 for one spin and hope for some magic. Usually doesn't hit but its fun when it does
 

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And here we go again with the it's "casino money" nonsense.

Absolutely urgent to understand for any form of wagering.

If it's in your possession, it is not "house money". It is *your* money. And should be treated with same level of respect u give all your money.

Thus, each of us will have varying mileage :)
 
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Absolutely urgent to understand for any form of wagering.

If it's in your possession, it is not "house money". It is *your* money. And should be treated with same level of respect u give all your money.

Thus, each of us will have varying mileage :)

Nailed it
 

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And here we go again with the it's "casino money" nonsense.

If im spending the money on this shooter or the next shooter, its going to be in play no matter what. Your term " casino money" only comes into play if your willing to walk away from the table. If you flat bet craps, your guaranteed to be a loser, no if ands or butts about it. Your only hope to make money long term is to hit big and get out. Id be willing to bet ive logged more hours around this game than just about anyone in this thread. I've seen all methods of play come and go and id still stand by this method of plsy.
 

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Absolutely urgent to understand for any form of wagering.

If it's in your possession, it is not "house money". It is *your* money. And should be treated with same level of respect u give all your money.

Thus, each of us will have varying mileage :)

Nailed it

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If im spending the money on this shooter or the next shooter, its going to be in play no matter what. Your term " casino money" only comes into play if your willing to walk away from the table. If you flat bet craps, your guaranteed to be a loser, no if ands or butts about it. Your only hope to make money long term is to hit big and get out. Id be willing to bet ive logged more hours around this game than just about anyone in this thread. I've seen all methods of play come and go and id still stand by this method of plsy.

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So we've got the gamblers fallacy, the casino money fallacy, and now you believe that you can actually win over the long term playing a -EV game. Oy Vey!

The amount of time you've been playing in no way equates to your knowledge of the game (and you've shown that over and over in this post). I know people that have played craps for 6 months that better understand this game than you and this other clown that talks about the "hot table". There are people that believe because someone has won the Super Lotto that it's likely they will win also. There are people that read about a guy that survived an automobile accident by being thrown from his car because he wasn't wearing seat belts, and reason because of that, you shouldn't wear seat belts. You're THAT guy!

The sad thing about it is the guy I know that follows your strategy to the tee has squandered more money in his lifetime than anyone I've ever known. He consistently loses in craps and any other form of gambling he does because all he does is press, press, press. And he always falls back on "well it was casino money anyway" :ohno:
He has filed bankruptcy and is always in debt, despite the fact that he doesn't pay a mortgage (lives in parents home). We've had talks about his retirement savings of which he has about 1/3 of what he needs, but he will argue endlessly on how he's got plenty and doesn't need to save any more. I tried talking to him about logical things like the rate of inflation, etc., he'll have none of it (he's seems like he's your Doppelganger Kidman). For that matter, maybe you are him. Keep on believing what you want. It's obvious that regardless of what anyone has to say and any reasoning they give you, you'll just ignore it and believe all your blind faith nonsense based on no logical reasoning at all.
 

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If im spending the money on this shooter or the next shooter, its going to be in play no matter what. Your term " casino money" only comes into play if your willing to walk away from the table. If you flat bet craps, your guaranteed to be a loser, no if ands or butts about it. Your only hope to make money long term is to hit big and get out. Id be willing to bet ive logged more hours around this game than just about anyone in this thread. I've seen all methods of play come and go and id still stand by this method of plsy.

Yes, people win more $ by betting more.

They also lose more money by betting more, more often than they win. Thus that method of play that you stand by is just going to cause more people to lose more money over time.

People getting lucky and catching the right side of variance doesn't change that.

The term "hot table" is useless.
 

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Another way to put it is if I press my bets when I'm losing, and you press your bets when you are winning and we both log 100 hours at this game.

You have no better chance to win than I do as long as we both bet the same exact amount of money over time.
 

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Who said I was talking about you?

Sorry, was thinking you were talking about post #53. So yes, I was referring to you on that quote (and quoted your exact words did I not). So the question remains.

Your original statement

i notice if i'm playing aggressive and the hot roll comes, then I win 2-3x more than someone who bets about the same as me but not as aggressive. I assume that goes up exponentially the hotter the roll.

Patsfan just explained it to you. The terms "hot table" or "hot roll" are completely useless.
 

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I love at hot tables, I take advantage of hot rolls and hot tables, every dealer knows the difference. You ever have a dealer try to tell you to walk away?

And NO, nobody is pretending mathematical probabilities change, they don't, the math is always the same. I just say SHIT HAPPENS, and that's 10,000% accurate and I could care less about the math.

If you're a professional gambler and play 5 days or 20 + hours a week, you better play the game perfectly because the math will eat you alive if you don't. But if you're a recreational gambler looking to have fun, just go with the flow, the math may kill you short term.
 

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